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Topic: lets discuss Wikileak
Posted By: Icarium
Subject: lets discuss Wikileak
Date Posted: July 26 2010 at 14:31
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I want to hear your thoughts since thay are on the headlines now, I have not made any clear personal opinion about the leaks, but it seams to get widespread attention.
is this a case for freedom of speach, in what degrea it shoul be allowed, or dose a head of state have anything to say in this case to ban the leaks,
youre thoughts
 bring it on.. or ... its on
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: July 26 2010 at 14:34
| It, whatever it is, hasn't gotten any of my attention. |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: July 26 2010 at 14:44
| http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/07/wikileaks-drops-90000-secret-war-docs-fingers-pakistan-as-insurgent-ally/ - http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/07/wikileaks-drops-90000-secret-war-docs-fingers-pakistan-as-insurgent-ally/ |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: July 26 2010 at 14:50
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Whats wikileak? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: July 26 2010 at 15:01
this is http://wikileaks.org/ - http://wikileaks.org/
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Snow Dog wrote:Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: July 26 2010 at 15:38
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It's a site, hosted mostly in Swaeden and Belgium, that publishes news that generally gets blacked-out by the men in power
Their latest stunts is publishing US Military/CIA documents that lattest that Pakistan is indeed playing a diouble game, both working with the US, but also helping out the Talibans to commit terrorism strike against Pakistani and US interests....
It's actually nothing that secret.... pretty well everyone knew this, but now it's really embarassing the US, since their own spies are reporting it and they still support the regime.... but then again Bush helped in arming Ben Laden's fanatics and at 9/11, the only planbe allowed to fly in the US was brionging the Ben Ladens out of the country.
as we say in French: un secret de polichinelle.
------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: July 26 2010 at 15:44
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I love the site. They have lots and lots of great stuff on there. It'll be a huge blow to government transparency and free speech if it gets shut down. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Gamemako
Date Posted: July 26 2010 at 16:32
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It's really too bad that Wikileaks has to exist.
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Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: July 26 2010 at 16:37
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Guys who do things like this are generally three steps ahead of the law in the first place, plus the American government knows it would be PR poison to go after a group of people dedicated to disclosing the truth. That's not to say they'll leave Wikileaks alone, but they won't crush them with an iron fist either. |
Posted By: CinemaZebra
Date Posted: July 26 2010 at 17:02
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: July 26 2010 at 17:04
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Guarantee that the video of US soldiers killing the two Rueters reporters and Iraqi non-combatants is gone. Actually as I looked to check that prediction, the entire site isn't working. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: July 26 2010 at 17:40
| yeah the site wasn't working today. That's some brave sh**t though on behalf of the leakers and the site personnel. The American government can't be able to kill with impunity. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: July 26 2010 at 17:46
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I like it. I first heard of it from a prof about that Baghdad video, the one where the US military accidentally kills those reporters. I havnt been able to see the current thing making headlines since the site is down? Anyway, I like it. I think its a great thing. Keeping us people informed! I think its great all these secret things can be accessed. EDIT: actually while a lot of it is secret some things, like that Baghdad video and the current headlines are actually not that surprising. In fact I remember hearing a blurb about the Baghdad incident when it happened. Its still good to just get as much info out there as possible. |
Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: July 26 2010 at 18:04
Honest people knew the occupation was an occupation and not a democracy-fest. It is no different from any other blood-letting committed by the American government on behalf of narrow and predatory interests. Honest people knew and know. The American population however is still largely floating somewhere in a disgusting dream of liberation and "national security." To them this is news, even though it severely isn't. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: July 26 2010 at 18:08
Well isn't that what I said more or less?  But even if it isnt news to people who, well had a brain, its still good anyway to get it out all out. And to those who did not know better this is of course important And thats why I made a post about it when the former video was leaked. We should all spread it as much as we can. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: July 26 2010 at 18:22
Agreed with that. I know wikileaks says they are 100% dedicated to maintaining privacy ad keeping it anonymous...but it must be tough to actually do. And lets hope the government never kills it! Would be a sad day |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: July 26 2010 at 18:24
information wants to be free....now that it's all "out", it can't be put back in the bottle. you could take that server down, 10 more will pop up with the files. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 26 2010 at 18:26
lets discuss WikileakOK, but I gotta go pee first. 
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: July 26 2010 at 18:32
....yes. Quite In fact the site was down for a pretty long time, but indeed a host of "mirror" sites popped up with less...but still a lot of the stuff. It has nothing to do with politics or party, NO government will be completely clear. Its great that we have the technology to do this stuff, and people dedicated to keeping it anonymous |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 26 2010 at 18:39
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This is interesting, just saw it on the TV news:
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/wikileaks-case-pvt-bradley-manningss-alleged-role-leaking/story?id=11254454">
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/wikileaks-case-pvt-bradley-manningss-alleged-role-leaking/story?id=11254454 - Who Is Pvt. Bradley Manning?His dad said he never got into trouble. I guess at some point in life you have to make up that.------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: July 26 2010 at 18:47
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Poor kid, he can legally be assassinated now.
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: July 26 2010 at 18:51
that's what I was just thinking. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: July 26 2010 at 18:53
Oh boy.... And I finally got on, maybe a lot of people were jamming the place |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 26 2010 at 19:10
In cased you missed it, here's why:
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: July 26 2010 at 19:13
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I think it's a shame if it further endangers the lives of
our soldiers. So long as the O-man wants to keep us there, it is important
that we prevent such breaches of security. I heard one analyst say
that the documents could reveal the identities of crucial sources,
Afghans who are helping us gather important information, who may now be
murdered by the good ole' Taliban because their cover has been
compromised. Nice work by Wiki man. "Someone inadvertently or on purpose gave the Taliban its new 'enemies list,'" declared Rep. Jane Harman, D-Calif., who said the White House indicated the disclosures compromised a number of Afghan sources. "Whenever you have the potential for names and for operations and for programs to be out there in the public domain besides being against the law has the potential to be very harmful to those that are in our military, those that are cooperating with our military," said Robert Gibbs. (Obama's press guy) "It's not the content as much as it is the names, operations, logistics, sources -- all of that information out in the public has the potential to do harm," Gibbs said I hope that's not the case. But at least this Wiki guy made a name for himself, because certainly his ego and his agenda are more important than the White House strategy or fighting the Taliban. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sQD8uhpWXCw" rel="nofollow - It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood...Road Rage Edition |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: July 26 2010 at 19:15
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Technology is not good or bad, just is. Then its on us how we use it. I do think its good that sites like this can exist, but as you said there could be some major collateral damage. All for the name of free information. One could of course argue that maybe we should not be fighting the Taliban |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: July 26 2010 at 19:20
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Although if this all turns out to be true, he should have not spilled the beans. If I leaked classified military information I would not say it to a single soul. |
Posted By: Soul Dreamer
Date Posted: July 26 2010 at 19:31
 and 100 more of these for Wikileaks! Democracy can only survive, if WE, the people are informed of the TRUE situation...How else would we be able to vote?? Only on info the "powers that behold" deem worthy of letting us know???? Real democracy is only possible when all information is available to everyone!
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: July 27 2010 at 06:40
| ^ i bet Voltaire og Montisque are smiling now (the founders of elightment) |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: July 27 2010 at 06:54
Who's gonna stop them? ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Trademark
Date Posted: July 27 2010 at 12:01
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"Poor kid, he can legally be assassinated now." Sign me up for the firing squad. If he finds himself that much at odds with the military he should get out when his hitch ends and run for office. He knew the job when he signed on and knew the possible consequences of his actions when he chose to put fellow American citizens and soldiers at risk. If you want play at being a spy be prepared for the outcome. Time for a "Code Red". |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: July 27 2010 at 12:16
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Yeah he should have just shut up and did his job. That has always worked out well in the past.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: July 27 2010 at 14:36
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For soldiers, yes. Soldiers have to follow orders and shut the f**k up or people get killed. The rest of society, no. I support a site like wikileaks and I'm in favor of disclosing the truth. But this idiot who put lives in danger shouldn't be made into some kind of hero now.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 27 2010 at 15:24
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Rest assured if this isn't a military death penalty offense he'll probably spend the rest of his life behind bars for it.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: July 27 2010 at 16:36
It is a sticky wicket, though some could argue he'll be some type of martyr, for the name of free information. Besides, how do these leaks happen? Magic? Someone has to do itI know nothing of military going ons, if this guy is convicted any idea what the penalty is for it? |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: July 27 2010 at 17:10
So you don't find Auschwitz soldiers morally culpable for any atrocities committed there? In fact, you would think they deserved death for disobeying orders? ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Trademark
Date Posted: July 27 2010 at 17:24
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"So you don't find Auschwitz soldiers morally culpable for any atrocities committed there?" The person who gave the order is morally culpable, the person who carried it out in a military action is not. Check the outcomes of the Neuremburg trials for confirmation of this fact of military justice. "In fact, you would think they deserved death for disobeying orders?" There is a remarkably huge difference between disobeying an order and espionage. Check the Uniform Code of Military Justice for the possible punishments for these extremely different offenses. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: July 27 2010 at 17:55
As a moral justification you offer the outcome of a trial and a code of conduct written by the military. That is so thoroughly convincing. I'm not disputing that what he did was unlawful, but that does not make it wrong. Then again if you're not willing to place any culpability on the hands of soldiers I'm done talking to you. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: July 27 2010 at 18:05
The armed forces is one of those rare institutions where rank has to matter and orders have to be obeyed. In time of peace that doesn't mean that much but in times of war it's the difference between life and death. Anarchy and libertarianism have no place in an army. Now, about the Auschwitz question, if they had disobeyed they would have been killed. Putting one's life before somebody else's probably is a concept you can agree with Shields. Of course is morally questionable but in a situation like that during the third reich being a soldier wasn't the easiest of things. And these hard decisions had to be made by soldiers. They don't deserve death. And the trials are evidence that at least an international court agreed with that. Now, again bringing Nazism as a way to prove arguments Equality? Tsk tsk...  -------------
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: July 27 2010 at 20:00
Just because Godwin made a law about it doesn't mean it doesn't work Murder is murder. I don't forgive them. The circumstances do not lessen it. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: July 27 2010 at 20:05
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There is some hope that an increase in incidents like this may actually reduce the amount of wars and killing that occur in the first place. If all your dirty little details of various operations are going to end up on the internet, perhaps it's best not to perform them in the first place. Unfortunately, this only works for organisations that have appearances to keep up. It is not going to discourage terrorist groups.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: July 27 2010 at 20:15
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That would be nice but yeah, doubtful. Its more the principle of it. As someone said, a lot of us really knew this already. Its more just getting all the info out there, ya know the whole transparency thing. And I did see one fair point: A lot of the targets are "safe" targets. Would like to see some info North Korea lets say |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: July 29 2010 at 07:00
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At first I didn't really care, but I read today that the documents had the names of Afganis who provided information to the US. If that's true (and I am not going to read them myself to verify), that's a major dick move. Maybe Julian Assange would like to take them into his house? And I don't see the truth benefit of disclosing US military tactics JJ, how exactly would he get information about North Korea? ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: July 29 2010 at 10:35
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Revealing information about abuse from the part of soldiers is something I agree with. Disclosing military tactics is something I don't. It's just "freedom of information" for its own sake... Sometimes there's a greater good that has to be considered... -------------
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: July 29 2010 at 12:15
Well I'd say the war is screwed now, and more so given that our allies were working against us LOL apparently people in the gvmt knew that already  so I dont care about threatening the war effort per se. But, if you were referring to the names and positions, etc (like Henry mentioned) than that I do have a problem. Exposing a lot of innocent people, just doing their job or helping. Yeah, abuse is great to get out and expose, but this guy could've at least left out/blocked names and info that was unnecessary. And its a sticky wicket. On one had I am for free information, but civilian casualties? Friendly fire? General disorder? Isn't this just the case with war? The Pakistani news was big, but yeah, talk is that we knew about that already! Besides the fact its out there for everyone not much actually "good" will come from this. And how should I know Henry? These hackers are crazy, I can barely handle my mp3 player programs! They'll find some way. Or someone on the inside has to do it I guess. Just an example I threw out as the most oppressive country. |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: July 31 2010 at 02:03
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http://www.newsweek.com/2010/07/30/taliban-says-it-will-target-names-exposed-by-wikileaks.html - http://www.newsweek.com/2010/07/30/taliban-says-it-will-target-names-exposed-by-wikileaks.html ------------- https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sQD8uhpWXCw" rel="nofollow - It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood...Road Rage Edition |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: July 31 2010 at 02:15
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Well things are gunna get even more fun over there now! |
Posted By: omri
Date Posted: August 01 2010 at 08:57
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I read about that site yesterday in the paper. As a citizen of a country that fights against terror everyday I still think that when things are done wrong somebody has to find a way to tell us about it. Too often under the excuse of "National security" the authorities hides evil (and yes, this is also very true in my country).
50 years ago soldiers in Israel killed honest farmers returning to their homes cause they were out in the streets when not aloud (and they even did not know they were not aloud) and there was a big trial about it. The soldiers were convicted according to the claim some things are so wrong that you must disobey and in the end it is everyone's responsibility (none of us can hide under "I were only doing what I were told"). I think this also answers the Auschwitz question.
I know I may surprise you but I honestly think that abusing, killing honest people and those sort of things are wrong and should be treated as crimes and I think this site does a very good job in preventing same things to keep happen. I do not believe that this information helps the enemy (actualy killing honest people do help the enemy by proving that your side is wrong and mean).
As some of you may say, this is not the idea of the majority in Israel and perhaps this is one of the reasons why the Israeli - Palestinian conflict lives so long.
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Posted By: Ronnie Pilgrim
Date Posted: August 01 2010 at 11:30
| I think there is a bit of short-selling the craftiness of governments here. They are fully capable of using this "tool" to their advantage to post false leaks; just as they have used double agents, propaganda, and disinformation all too well in the past. |
Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: August 01 2010 at 18:27
| RP raises a good point but that's not a reason to give up on disclosing documents you believe to be the truth. You just need to check and double check and have the best intelligence you can before you act. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 08 2010 at 17:14
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: October 28 2010 at 12:47
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Brilliant |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: October 28 2010 at 13:08
^ eminem rippoff 
 but hysteriously funny,which prooves the fact that HIP HOP is the best monitor fo the truth to the world, the only true source to bring the REAL message to the power elite,
they should aske Nas to write some lyrics regarding this -------------  
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: October 28 2010 at 13:28
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Word And as we all know, wilileaks has done it again! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War_documents_leak - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War_documents_leak |
Posted By: progvortex
Date Posted: October 28 2010 at 17:44
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I don't get it.... the Wikileaks are all just DoD blabber to me. Sure, there are a few reports of civilian killings, but I don't see anything that is going to really rock the boat like all the pundits are saying, nor am I seeing the parallel with the Pentagon Papers, as Amy Goodman's Democracy Now has asserted.
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 16:33
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IT'S ON -------------
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 17:02
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http://classic.buzzflash.com/ - More on WikiLeaks:
US embassy cables leak sparks global diplomatic crisis:
• More than 250,000 dispatches reveal US foreign strategies
• Diplomats ordered to spy on allies as well as enemies
• Hillary Clinton leads frantic 'damage limitation'
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 17:08
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^ yeah and all the nicknames head of states have gotten, Ahmedinejad as Hitler and Sarkozy a emperor with no clothes -------------
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 17:27
I don't like my government behaving like buttheads as long as I don't find out about it. 
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: November 29 2010 at 11:49
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I like the idea of keeping the government on its toes. I don't want them to get too cozy about keeping secrets from us. However, when the leaks are things like military strategy or names of undercover agents, that's not something I can support.
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: November 29 2010 at 11:55
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I don't mind it putting lives at risk if those lives are currently engaged in immoral activity. Releasing names will force the government to cease and desist with its illegal activities.
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: November 29 2010 at 15:01
Haha I'm getting a good laugh from that. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: November 30 2010 at 04:32
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I'm starting to think it's all a load of bollocks to be frank.
In fact, I'm starting to think that maybe the Iranian leader has a point when he says this whole thing is a mindgame by the west. Among these leaks is the expressed support for the bombing of Iran by numerous Arab states, and the implication that China would support the reunification of Korea, under the governance of South Korea. All at a time, when Iran has increased its enrichment capacity, and the US and SK are playing dangerous wargames off the coast of North Korea. The whole package of leaks about these two issues is beautifully timed, and despite the protestations of Hillary Clinton, could actually muster a great deal of public support for another war, in the US and across the EU. There is probably a broad consensus that North Korea needs to be dealt with somehow, but the biggest fear people have is Chinese intervention escalating the conflict to a global war. This will never happen. The US will be busy striking deals with China now, not to get involved in the forthcoming conflict. The leaks around Chinas' attitude to NK have come at just the right time. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/ - ..and thanks to the Wikileaks story, North Korea is back on the top of the news pile at the BBC, after having fallen off the top spot for a few days. It's now back on peoples radar, and juxtaposed with China's apparent frustration at them. Watching all this unravel is both frightening and beautiful in equal measure. It's the ultimate in global information management http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/30/us-rejects-talks-north-korea - ..AND, the US has just snubbed China's proposal of multiparty talks to diffuse the tension. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: November 30 2010 at 07:29
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I doubt the U.S. decided to release documentation of the countless atrocities they've committed to civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan to build credibility for a site, so that they could produce a second leak later on which would provide some public support for a war in Iran.
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: November 30 2010 at 07:50
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Oh man this is great too. This story is full of lols. Thanks to David Kramer for this. When Barack Obama first took office:
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: November 30 2010 at 08:50
| Well, the crime is the leaking of information, not the publication of the information. Otherwise there would be a lot of people at the NY Times in prison right now. |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: November 30 2010 at 11:28
| I am a little scared about the exposure of secret documents. I waited for the President's speech and as far as I know, he has not been quoted at all. I haven't had the chance to watch the news today but, I'm just going to read it on the internet and see what's new. I am very curious to read or hear what the president will conclude or advance to. I have never been a conspiracy believer in any sense of the word although I do become curious about our goverment as any American might do. It sounds pathetic but, I respect the FBI and feel strongly that they have been working very hard since 9/11. They have busted many terrorists for almost a full decade now. I am aware of the Bin Laden conspiracy and yea....the old "Why haven't they busted him?" deal. It is pretty straight foward common sense as to why they do not tell us or outright give us answers to the un- answered questions. I am a firm believer that it has more to do with our protection and the FBI'S line of work or practice. People in the past have complained about bringing a birth certificate, social security card, and utility bill for a new driver's license. They stand in line at motor vehicles stating they are offended and are being treated as the terrorists. I can't complain as the rule may have more to do with the nature or concept of their crimes and how they can slip through the FBI'S hands if a decoy that causes Americans to suffer is not employed. I could be absolutely incorrect about all of this! But, I don't feel like any of us are suppose to know what activity takes place on the inside. DA? But, I say this because some people feel different about it or have mixed feelings such as I do. |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: November 30 2010 at 11:38
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Twice now we've had massive amounts of material that really surprises no one. It confirms what people suspected, but have there been any real revelations?
My conspiracy theory is that "loyal" Neo-con military low-levels are leaking this stuff thinking they're pulling down the evil Obama. WikiLeaks as a site just seem like attention whores, typical stuff.
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: November 30 2010 at 12:04
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Regardless of that, evidence is better than a bunch of hunches that people have but are easily discredited politically. EDIT: The first set of leaked documents posted pre-dated Obama so I'm not sure about your theory. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: November 30 2010 at 12:08
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Yeah, on one hand it is good to have all this info out there, that's always good. But, it could harm innocent people and frankly, Negoba is right. Very little of all this has been news. Even that original big video, that baghdad airstrike I thought was some cover up...apparently it was known it happened at the time! Huzzah for leaking known information and endangering innocent people! |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: November 30 2010 at 12:17
If the information was known how was anyone harmed? ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: November 30 2010 at 14:15
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The huge amount of documents, a multifold of what the most curious people would ever want to read, makes me think that the last leaks have been caused deliberately with the sub rosa approval of the U.S. government. I just try to guess for what purpose. ------------- 
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 30 2010 at 16:13
Why does that not surprise me? An equal embarrassment opportunity. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: November 30 2010 at 16:44
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 30 2010 at 20:21
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Top 5 Wikileaks shockers http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/11/bomb_bomb_iran_the_top_5_shocking_things_about_the.php - Link 1. Nearly every country in the Middle East wants
us to attack Iran. 2. State Department officials ordered U.S.
diplomats to spy on their foreign and UN counterparts. 3. North Korea supplied Iran with long-range
missiles. 4. Iran used the auspices of the Red Crescent to smuggle spies and weapons into war zones. 5. U.S. foreign policy relies heavily on blog-ready gossip items.------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: November 30 2010 at 20:31
Aww man that's really going to hurt our North Korean relations. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: November 30 2010 at 20:38
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: November 30 2010 at 21:01
| When I saw the film of President Obama being questioned on this topic, he cracked that famous smile of his and said nothing. The first question which entered my mind was .....but, what does that mean? What does that sacastic looking smile mean? I started reading into it too much. I don't know. I watched Bill O'Reilly tonight and he covered the issue for about 15 minutes. I agree with his point totally and it's a little selfish on my behalf but, out of honesty, I watch him because I agree with him most of the time but, meanwhile back at the ranch journalists have a tendency to rub me wrong. Anything for a story of the sensational. Once the press gets a hold of a story such as this one, on a weekly basis it becomes a real circus. Then you have to start thinking for yourself.....as you want to do that anyway...but, now the story has exploded and caused controversal issues to go skyrocketing and the press wants that because it's good ratings. When this happens or everytime it happens, I become confused and can no longer follow the story or don't desire to. It can be straight foward diplomatic and you, the viewer gets sucked in....however, the views presented by individuals who promote Wikileak or defend it are confusing the hell out of me. They mention how names of officials were taken off or wiped from this list. Then they make claims about Wikileak revealing what is defined as TRUTH. While O'Reilly states plain and simple that they are giving America's secrets away. How can it really be that controversal? I mean, that's what the show is all about ....controversal issues...correct? But then it's controversal with cilvilians all the way down the line. From Harvard lawyers to factory workers. They all crack that smile and disgree with B.O'Reilly. The guy commited a crime. It needs to be addressed by our goverment. What's so funny about that? |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: November 30 2010 at 21:15
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What crime was that? ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: November 30 2010 at 21:29
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I'm afraid Toddler that the person who leaked it is the one who committed the crime, although an adept lawyer could probably pin something on him if he ever entered US jurisdiction, and not just for the bizarre rape thing. Assange really is a smug jerk, though, I don't see how this really helps anybody. Diplomats are being two-faced? Why I never! More importantly, however, I can't forgive him for releasing the real names of the Afghan and Iraqi native informants and then blaming the military for not sufficiently protecting them if they were to get murdered. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: November 30 2010 at 21:47
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If the information doesn't help or hurt anybody then isn't it better to have it than not to have it? ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: November 30 2010 at 21:49
Well, this is truly appreciated. This puts a lot into perspective for me. Spot on. excellent points.
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: November 30 2010 at 21:59
I don't know. My imagination is running wild with this lately. It feels dangerous to me. Or maybe, I feel shocked by the news cast itself. I can't put my finger on it but, for some unknown reason or gut feeling, it disturbs me.
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: November 30 2010 at 22:06
As long as the information doesn't flat out deliver our soldiers into the hands of our enemies, I would rather have it out in the open. I don't like the ease with which the Feds can cover up their actions. -------------
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: December 01 2010 at 00:06
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I don't think the site should be shut down but I think whoever leaked all of those American documents should be punished to the fullest.That's called treason pure and simple. -------------  |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: December 01 2010 at 02:17
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I don't know if I should like this Assange dude or not, he is smart but also arrogant, he is on one side a brave dude, but on the other hand he could anger a dead rock,
I wonder if he likes prog rock
 how is his last name pronounsed Asangje, what have wikileaks with wikipedia, are they conected some how, then the Pedia founder Jimmy Wales also a friend of Assange...hmm
what can we make out of this -------------
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: December 01 2010 at 02:19
Wikileaks is not connected to the Wikimedia Foundation, he just took inspiration from their name. I have no idea what the rest of your post means. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: December 01 2010 at 02:24
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Yeah, he does strike me as a bit of a douche, but really is that unexpected? How Obama feels about all this "open and transparent government is something that the President believes is truly important. But the stealing of classified information and its dissemination is a crime" lol oops not THAT open and transparent! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_diplomatic_cables_leak#cite_note-3 - |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: December 01 2010 at 02:31
Imjust trying to make a conpriation theorie
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: December 01 2010 at 05:35
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: December 01 2010 at 07:08
Don't take this offensively, because it's not meant to be, but I find your reaction to this very disturbing. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: December 01 2010 at 07:10
"Open and transparent government with regards to the few things which the Presidents decides the stupid public should be allowed to know is something the President believes is truly important. " Wikilieaks next target is supposedly a big U.S. bank. Bring down the banksters. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: December 01 2010 at 09:52
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Aginor, Henry is right. Wikimedia has nothing to do with Wikileaks. Jimmy Wales has said this in an interview as well.
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: December 01 2010 at 12:03
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: December 01 2010 at 14:09
Treason:
1.
the offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or kill its sovereign.
2.
a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state. 3.
the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith; treachery.
Being a member of the military,downloading top secret classified documents and leaking them to anybody would be number 3 on that list.
The last guy that did this is looking at 50 years at hard labor in a military prison.They're lucky,years ago it would have been life or execution(deservedly so,imo). ------------- |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: December 01 2010 at 15:32
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The definition makes me think you should get a medal for treason rather than a hanging.
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: December 01 2010 at 15:44
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Mike Huckabye was actualy promoting execution for the leaches/leaker, I don't support that though, I am fully 99,2%against execution punichment.
I am exited about what they have dug up from the bank documents, maybe another blow to the solar plexus. -------------
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: December 02 2010 at 06:58
It's the Glenn Beck Show! starring that star of stars, the one and only....Glenn Beck! A very contemptuous little intellect that gives YOU..the viewer, ....the assurance that the God Julian Assange is worshipped highly in this country because the majority of our American social system is based on communism. Very nice.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 02 2010 at 07:06
I think Glenn is disturbed.   ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: December 02 2010 at 07:45
What the hell? ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |