Black sheep of an excellent album otherwise
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Topic: Black sheep of an excellent album otherwise
Posted By: Gandalff
Subject: Black sheep of an excellent album otherwise
Date Posted: July 29 2010 at 11:54
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Which song do you skip usually during a listening of your favourite album(s)? Or which song defaces a general impression of above mentioned?
Shortly, the weakest link?
My vote (well-known albums):
The Clap (The Yes Album)
Anyone´s Daughter (Deep Purple: Fireball)
Cat Food (King Crimson: In The Wake of Poseidon)
Are You Ready Eddy? (ELP: Tarkus)
Seamus (Pink Floyd: Meddle)
EDIT: I´ve meant Seamus in place of San Tropez. And Jugband Blues is quite good.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: July 29 2010 at 11:55
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i Like most of the ones you mentoned. In fact Cat Food and The Clap are bloody brilliant. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: July 29 2010 at 12:01
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Snow Dog wrote:Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: July 29 2010 at 12:03
Do they? Possibly The Clap does because its live, but none of the others stick out. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: July 29 2010 at 12:05
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: July 29 2010 at 12:06
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Your own special way/Wot Gorilla - Genesis from WAW
Ballad of Big - Genesis from ATTWT Misunderstanding - Genesis from Duke Jeremy Bender - ELP from BSS Moonchild - King Crimson from ITCOTCK She Chameleon - Mrillion from Fugazi These spring to mind. I've just realised I dont have a Yes album where I skip any tracks. The same goes for Rush (among the albums I would regard as 5 star 'masterpieces) ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: July 29 2010 at 12:09
Really? It's my opinion? Is that how this works? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: July 29 2010 at 12:11
Fixed. And I dont agree. Youre own special way I DO kinda agree with tho, ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: July 29 2010 at 12:16
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I agree with quite a few that were already mentioned: The Clap, Your Own Special Way, Are You Ready Eddy and Jeremy Bender.
Though I disagree with some too: Anyone's Daughter, Cat Food and San Tropez. Three great songs that fit the album, specially San Tropez!
Now of my own:
More Fool Me - Selling England by the Pound
Another Day - Images & Words
Rain Dances - Rain Dances (Camel)
Living Sin - Trilogy
Knots - Octopus (yeah kill me now)
Bellycan - Legend
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 29 2010 at 12:19
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I only tend to skip a track if it's had a lot of airplay.
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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: July 29 2010 at 12:21
Moonchild - part 2
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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: July 29 2010 at 12:26
There´s no place to quarrel. That´s lounge...Let suggest your songs.
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: July 29 2010 at 12:30
COOL! You've got music playing through the air in U.S.A?! Now that's what I call technology!
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Posted By: friso
Date Posted: July 29 2010 at 12:32
| vinyl listeners don't skip tracks, they have to have good records! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: July 29 2010 at 12:35
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: July 29 2010 at 12:35
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I always used to skip Stairway to Heaven - now I skip the whole album! ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: CinemaZebra
Date Posted: July 29 2010 at 12:36
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Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: July 29 2010 at 12:44
Jugband Blues is the best song on that album. ------------- Which of you to gain me, tell, will risk uncertain pains of hell? I will not forgive you if you will not take the chance. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: July 29 2010 at 12:51
I'm glad it's not just me. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: July 29 2010 at 13:43
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Posted By: EnderEd
Date Posted: July 29 2010 at 13:45
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Pyramid - Pyramid/Alan Parsons Living Sin - Trilogy/ELP Dodo/Lurker - Abacab/Genesis Acquiring the Taste - Acquiring the Taste/Gentle Giant The Hare who Lost his Spectacles - A Passion Play/Jethro Tull Jupiter Island - Tarquin's Seaweed Farm/Porcupine Tree Circus of Heaven - Tormato/Yes ------------- --EnderEd |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 29 2010 at 13:49
What is this dang new-fangled radio thingy I've been hearing all about?  ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: July 29 2010 at 13:52
I can't agree with "Cat Food" (best track of the album, in my opinion) and "Seamus". and even "Are You Ready, Eddy?" has its charm. why deny prog musicians the right to play a simple Rock 'n Roll number for a change? I never saw "A>re You Ready, Eddy?" or "Benny the Bouncer" as filler tracks; those were humorous little numbers. "Seamus" is an equally humorous piece of music, and I always liked how musical that dog is. but it appears that humor is forbidden in prog -------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: July 29 2010 at 13:56
It's not that we deny Prog musicians to play simple rock & roll songs, at least not me, I simply can't stand a track that is out-of-place from a rather great album: for example 'More Fool Me', ok that's not rock.
I love Cat Food, but you know why? Because it's unique, it's obviously Crimson-sounding, unlike Are You Ready Eddy? and Benny the Bouncer which just seems ELP covering crappy rock 'n roll songs.
Seamus, I've always found it an integral part of Meddle, part of its charm, but I can understand why people skip it.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: July 29 2010 at 13:57
I think the sky may fall because I agree with you. Its interesting to see whatb tracks some people don't like though. Quite surprising, I like most of them. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: July 29 2010 at 14:03
Good, I was worried about you for a while. ------------- Which of you to gain me, tell, will risk uncertain pains of hell? I will not forgive you if you will not take the chance. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: July 29 2010 at 14:07
I still am. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: July 29 2010 at 14:16
Am I the only one who thinks the Hare Who Lost His Spectacles is absolutely delightful? I never get tired of hearing it, it's such a nice change of pace from the heaviness of the rest of the album. ------------- 
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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: July 29 2010 at 14:18
I love it. |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: July 29 2010 at 14:23
but I don't think a track like "Are You Ready, Eddy?" is out of place at all. ELP always had a playful approach, be it to classical music or to other styles. they are by far not as "weihevoll" (there is no fitting English wort for that German one; a mixture of "august" and "sublime" would come close, but still not be right)) as some people misunderstand them ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 29 2010 at 14:25
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Another Night on Moonmadness-Camel Everything You Did on The Royal Scam-Steely Dan And I'd say that Jugband Blues is a black sheep for me.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: July 29 2010 at 14:25
Me too ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: July 29 2010 at 14:35
I do think some how when it comes to songs like Benny the Bouncet and Are You ready eddy, i tend to think that is songs which ELP are in Elton John mode, since he was BIG then and become famouse for Piano rock and Kieth Emerson did not want to be any worse so he (Lake and Palmer ) constructed some Eltonesque short piano tunes (Ready Eddy sounds like a lost Elton song) just to have done that.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 30 2010 at 01:21
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Living Sin is a great track! Exo-Politics - Muse(Black Holes and Revelations).
Nucleogenesis (parts one and two) - Vangelis (Albedo 0.39)
Shooting Angels -IQ (The Seventh House)
actually I like the last of my choices but it feels out of place with the rest of the music on that album which is why I listed it.
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Posted By: CinemaZebra
Date Posted: July 30 2010 at 01:34
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: July 30 2010 at 01:39
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: July 30 2010 at 01:47
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I agree with Jean and Snowy.
After being here as long as I have, I can only conclude that humour, beauty and "change of pace"-type tracks are increasingly unwelcome with many modern prog fans. (I don't want to speculate as to why that is.)
These atypical pieces are often denigrated as "filler," whereas at the time, they were a large part of what prog was about: experimenting, and being different -- showing different moods and aspects of the artists, showcasing how far the band and the music could go, and/or often lightening the mood between more "epic" tracks. They were part of the diverse roller-coaster "trip" that listening to prog offered, and most prog listeners at the time seemed to be receptive to it all.
I quite like most of the old stuff being put down here.  ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: July 30 2010 at 01:54
 I agree!------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: July 30 2010 at 01:57
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Dear friends,
as regards Cat Food, I never didn´t declare it´s weak song. But absolutely don´t fit to general concept of "In The Wake Of Poseidon". It´s jazzy song, rather sounds like something from "Lizard", between more or less spacey songs it effects incorrectly somewhat .
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: July 30 2010 at 02:02
Yes I get it, I also like tracks that smoothen albums like Book of Saturday, Dusk, I don't know, give me a good song and I'll like it. But stuff as simple and as basic as 'Are You Ready Eddy?' just doesn't do the trick. No, I'm not bashing ELP or anything, but it's the best example I know now. Call it humour or diversity? Bah, humour depends on everyone's taste, for me that's crappy humour. And I don't think it adds diversity to the album, it takes the whole feel of the masterful epic, Tarkus that is accompanied by decent tunes that fit the epic like Infinite Space, Time and a Place and The Only Way.
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: July 30 2010 at 02:05
I think you should have been more clear saying that "which songs feel out-of-place, no matter if it's good or bad", it would have saved a lot of the time discussing.
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: July 30 2010 at 02:31
the only thing that is jazzy about "Cat Food" is the wild piano of Keith Tippet, which I absolutely love. the rest is pure rock. anyway, in what way does it stand out? we have a completely mixed bag of tracks on the album, so you really can't say it stands out. every other track stands out just the same ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: July 30 2010 at 02:33
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Certanly, Quiet One, "Are You ready, Eddy" is crudely done -- a good-natured, one-off inside joke by the band members at (producer) Eddy Offord's expense. I agree that it stands out, but I don't feel it detracts from the rest of the album. I think of it as a "bonus" track.
But real songs like More Fool Me, Cat Food, Benny the Bouncer -- I find them to be essential aspects/facets of their respective albums. Injections of beauty, weirdness & humour. Progressive digressions, if you like -- side trips, stops along the way.
Seriously, I think bands are under more pressure to have uniformity of sound and mood, today. They have to "fit" a mould that fans and companies want them to stay in. Image also seems to be more important than ever, and the prevailing crafted image today seems to be macho/unsmiling for males, and slutty for females.
When was the last time a metal band smiled in a publicity pic, or a "hot" female pop artist didn't wear underwear as outerwear on stage?
Humour punctures/diminishes masculine toughness, and feminine sexual allure (or so the industry & many fans seem to think).
Female artists are judged much more on looks than males are, too. Want to be popular? better be thin, young, pretty, and dressed like a prostitute.
But I digress -- think of my post as a "bonus" or filler in an otherwise thematically coherent thread....  ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: July 30 2010 at 02:40
This is actually only a bonus track on the first CD reissue, which might go some way towards explaining why it seems out of place. Specifically, it's an outtake from Cow's sessions for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greasy_Truckers_Live_at_Dingwalls_Dance_Hall - this album . As for my own suggestions, "Harry Irene" on Beefheart's Shiny Beast album never seems right to me. Yeah, there's a strong undercurrent of Americana running right through that album, but on that song it just completely takes over and doesn't really offer any of the Captain's usual idiosyncrasies to justify its presence on an otherwise perfect album. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: July 30 2010 at 02:49
------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: July 30 2010 at 03:43
I just imagined Britney Spears wearing a burka with full facial veil on stage ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: July 30 2010 at 06:42
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I like "Are You Ready Eddy" - it's a good laugh at the end of a quite serious album.
I do most of my listening on the train to work so I tend to skip tracks that are quiet e.g. Moonchild which isn't really listenable on the Tube. Also "More Fool Me" which doesn't really fit between 2 epic prog tracks imo.
btw - the Steve Howe guitar instrumental on The Yes Album is supposed to be called "Clap", not "The Clap".
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: July 30 2010 at 06:52
Welcome back Peter. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: July 30 2010 at 06:55
Pedant! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: July 30 2010 at 06:57
| I don't skip. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: July 30 2010 at 07:03
You should try it. It's quicker than walking but not as tiring as running. Plus its fun!  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: July 30 2010 at 07:06
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How about sea-sickness? So what's a skipper? |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: July 30 2010 at 07:11
It's hard to describe....its a kind of jumpy walk........kids do it. At least they used to. Can any UK member help out here? Note...not to be confused with skipping with a rope.
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: July 30 2010 at 07:11
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: July 30 2010 at 07:15
ah, but when I hear music I float! ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: July 30 2010 at 07:17
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Like this....... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: ten years after
Date Posted: July 30 2010 at 07:18
| Nutrocker is a huge come down after Pictures at an Exhibition. |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: July 30 2010 at 08:00
really? it is a humorous take on a theme from Tchaikovsky's "Nutcracker suite". this is what meant: after the pretentious, pompous, weihevoll "Pictures at an Exhibition" the humor of "Nutrocker" can't be forgiven. we should hear classical music with a lot less pretentious and weihevoll attitude too. many composers (Bach, Mozart and especially Haydn, whom Bernstein called "the greatest joker in music history") want to make fun of us, just as ELP do with "Nutrocker". many people take prog way too seriously ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: July 30 2010 at 08:23
Even though they are often fine, hits get spoiled by overplaying, and later becomes the track to skip.
Like Radioactive from Firm
Money From Dark Side
Stairway from Zep. IV
ect ect ect
All great tracks, but I just know them too well.
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: July 30 2010 at 09:31
Nutrocker is great!
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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: July 30 2010 at 10:18
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: July 30 2010 at 10:26
Better that than a dickhead. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: July 30 2010 at 10:58
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Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: July 30 2010 at 11:18
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Spock's Beard's Snow a two-disc masterpiece but one track is really hard for me to get through. Looking For Answers. ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: July 30 2010 at 11:40
NOW who's a sorehead! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: July 30 2010 at 11:52
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: July 30 2010 at 11:55
Gooks? Whats a gook?  And by stouts do you mean......  ...if not I have no idea what you mean. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: July 30 2010 at 12:09
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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: July 31 2010 at 05:44
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So. I apologize to all forum members for this undue pub squabble. Now let´s go to the crux!
What about Providence from "Red"? I think that´s not a classical case of "out-of-place" song, but for me is certainly the weakest and kind of "facultative" piece here.
(But if Red is an excellent album, Providence is still very successful song!)
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: July 31 2010 at 12:11
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there are no"facultative" tracks on albums for me, just as I don't look at three quarters of a painting or watch three quarters of a movie. "I don'#t like the way da Vinci painted the hands of the Mona Lisa, so I never look at them". nonsense. an album is a work of art; to fully get its meaning you have to listen to it in full, so I never skip anything ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: July 31 2010 at 12:30
For me some albums are like that: Hatfield's debut, Hazards of Love, The Wall, The Final Cut, Tommy, etc. (mainly concept albums)
However, albums that have mostly un-related songs, for me they are not necessarily one whole piece to listen through always.
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: July 31 2010 at 12:35
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I do believe he threw a racial slur at you there, Snow Dog. Sir Gandalf, I like the idea of your thread, but your insults towards others do nothing to help your arguments. Were I to pick "black sheep" the most obvious that come to mind are Yellow Submarine from Beatles - Revolver Octopus's Garden from Beatles - Abbey Road and that's for silliness among some of the band's most accomplished works... same works for I Think I'm Going Bald from Rush - Caress Of Steel |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: July 31 2010 at 12:40
You just reminded me of an obvious one, for me anyways:
Her Majesty on Abbey Road. Yeah it's damn short, but the album should have finished majestically (pun intended?) with 'The End'!
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: July 31 2010 at 12:45
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^^^ On the original vinyl "Her Majesty" was an unlisted, hidden track. Don't like it? Just uncheck it from your iTunes
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: July 31 2010 at 12:48
I don't have an iPod nor iTunes, so there.
 By the way, I only listen to Abbey Road on my CD player in my room, not in the computer.
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: July 31 2010 at 12:49
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There's a "Stop" button
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: July 31 2010 at 12:55
Albums are meant to stop alone!
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: July 31 2010 at 13:04
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well then don't discount "hidden tracks"
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: July 31 2010 at 13:05
It's not a hidden track in my version
Haha, there's been to many winks in this thread, we should stop using them.
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: July 31 2010 at 13:10
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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: July 31 2010 at 14:24
Thousands thanks for my ennoblement! God save the Queen!
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Posted By: Ronnie Pilgrim
Date Posted: July 31 2010 at 16:07
Perhaps adults fancy themselves to be far too mature to be lectured by a children's story. And yet who among us doesn't reference fables in our adult lives from time to time? Sour grapes? Slow and steady wins the race? How about mind your own business for a change? Bravo Jeffrey!
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: July 31 2010 at 16:23
Sorry, I should have added that I don't think much of you for throwing outdated racial slurs around. |
Posted By: Gandalfino
Date Posted: August 01 2010 at 02:52
| Definitely weird country ballad Lady In Black from excellent Uriah Heep´s album Salisbury. |
Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: August 01 2010 at 05:03
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Black Sheep of the Family - Quatermass
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: August 01 2010 at 05:19
or "Allez Ali Baba Black-Sheep Have You Any Bull sh*t: Mama Maya Mantram Zero" from "Live Floating Anarchy" by Gong ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: August 01 2010 at 05:40
And do you know you´re right maybe?
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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: August 01 2010 at 05:48
What do you mean by "outdated racial slurs", please? Give me any example!
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Posted By: VanVanVan
Date Posted: August 01 2010 at 09:36
I've always felt very similarly. It's stuck right in the middle of a bunch of other tracks that are absolutely stunning, and then it comes along and is only mediocre in my book. ------------- "The meaning of life is to give life meaning."-Arjen Lucassen |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: August 01 2010 at 09:41
He's referring to your use of the term "gook," a racial slur directed at Vietnamese people. However, I think you intended to say something different, especially since you seem unaware of the word's negative connotations and unpleasant history. -------------
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: August 01 2010 at 09:47
| I've got a question for you, Gandalff: are you unable to post without stepping on anyone's toes? I've already seen the direction your thread on Female Prog artists took. Don't forget that things written on a computer screen are easily misunderstood, and can as easily cause flame wars. |
Posted By: The Coastliner
Date Posted: August 02 2010 at 11:41
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I tend not too skip too many tracks when listening to albums through. However "Boilk" off of Egg's The Polite Force is a track I make an exception for. Also Side 2 of Genesis' self-titled album.
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Posted By: yanch
Date Posted: August 02 2010 at 12:35
| More Fool Me from Selling England by the Pound. Just hate it! |
Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: August 02 2010 at 13:30
What? No! Black Sheep is a great track! ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: August 02 2010 at 14:10
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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: August 02 2010 at 14:15
Wise, very wise words! What can I say to my defence? It seems to be you have a longer beard than me.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 02 2010 at 14:18
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: August 02 2010 at 15:32
That's the joke of the century ! Don't you know that I am a woman? |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: August 02 2010 at 15:48
Bingo! How can I discern you´re a woman? From a crystal ball maybe...
(It´s crashed unfortunately. I have to purchase some new one...)
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Date Posted: August 02 2010 at 15:53
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