Most devastating band departure
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Topic: Most devastating band departure
Posted By: Finnforest
Subject: Most devastating band departure
Date Posted: September 08 2010 at 20:36
Inspired by today's announcement
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: September 08 2010 at 20:50
One can hardly vote for the first one, given that it just happened.  Yet lots of people will, I'm sure.  ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Finnforest wrote:Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: September 08 2010 at 20:54
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^ Not sure it couldn't be a valid opinion, if they believe the guy is the heart and soul of the group and they will not recover, they could make the case DT is crippled, perhaps moreso in their opinion than the other historical ones, most of which survived the departures in some respect. Damn, how's that for a run-on sentence ------------- If you love cats, please adopt an older cat. They've been in a cage far too long, and they long for a home. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: September 08 2010 at 20:57
All I meant was that only time and perspective can help us judge something like this. Oh by the way I'm leaving Epignosis. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: September 08 2010 at 20:58
 oh wait... what?
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: September 08 2010 at 21:01
Oh don't be too sad. I'm flaky as hell. I'm sure I'll be back next week. After I finish all my chores!  What's that? Yes dear...  ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: September 08 2010 at 21:02
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: September 08 2010 at 21:06
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Premature thread is premature.
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: September 08 2010 at 21:09
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I LOVE Dream Theater, but Water's departure from Pink Floyd was much worse. Besides, we still don't know that will happen.
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: September 08 2010 at 21:15
It involves some speculation ...some crystal ball gazing....just go with it man, it ain't life or death.------------- If you love cats, please adopt an older cat. They've been in a cage far too long, and they long for a home. |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: September 08 2010 at 21:16
Can I leave Epignosis too? ------------- 
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Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: September 08 2010 at 21:18
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Either Floyd or Genesis. Hard to choose for me. Genesis was a big one because the solo stuff and the band's stuff from that point on were pretty low par compared to before the breakup. Floyd is different because Waters and Wright's solo work was still good and the band didn't completely wind up losing it like Genesis did.
Trick of the Tail and Wind And Wuthering are OK. ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: September 08 2010 at 21:19
You already did before you were born. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: September 08 2010 at 21:21
Oh Robert, you are always so subtle. . . . -------------
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Posted By: UndercoverBoy
Date Posted: September 08 2010 at 21:21
PG's solo career "pretty low par"?
 Surely you jest?
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Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: September 08 2010 at 21:23
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I should've rephrased that... Compared to the band's work, that album isn't as good to me. I also like PG Four but I'd take the classic Genesis over that anyday. I guess that's what I'm trying to say. ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Adams Bolero
Date Posted: September 08 2010 at 21:23
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Other: Robert Wyatt leaving Soft Machine. ------------- ''Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be normal.'' - Albert Camus |
Posted By: UndercoverBoy
Date Posted: September 08 2010 at 21:24
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Posted By: VanVanVan
Date Posted: September 08 2010 at 21:26
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MP's departure currently only holds potential for devestation... for all we know it could be a good thing. Of the choices that remain I'll vote for Gabriel leaving Genesis. ------------- "The meaning of life is to give life meaning."-Arjen Lucassen |
Posted By: TheGazzardian
Date Posted: September 08 2010 at 21:33
| Gabriel leaving Genesis - they were really just getting better and better, and then he left, and I don't like the post-Gabriel stuff at all close to as much as the with-Gabriel stuff. Anderon leaving Yes would have been more disappointing if he hadn't left when Yes was in a slump and then returned, or if his second leaving wasn't after they had released 19 albums and pretty much (to my ears) exhausted the best of what they could create as a unit. |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: September 08 2010 at 21:35
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Waters here. At least Genesis did Trick and Wind/Wuthering.
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: September 08 2010 at 21:42
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I think you can make a legitimate argument for Portnoy, seeing as how Prog music may be on the decline, and Dream Theater are arguably a strong thread that is holding what is left of it together.............
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: September 08 2010 at 21:47
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Easy - Waters leaving Floyd.
Honorable mention to Phil Collins leaving Genesis (not a choice here). I can easily enjoy the band without Gabriel and even Hackett, but the album with Ray Wilson singing just did not sit well with me... ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: September 08 2010 at 21:49
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Wow this is the first i've heard of this Jim. Shocking for me to say the least. I don't know if he'd want the job but the first guy i thought of to replace him was Mark Zonder.
As for the poll Waters is my choice. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: Lark the Starless
Date Posted: September 08 2010 at 21:50
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Definitely Gabriel leaving Genesis...I wasn't alive at the time but I'm sure it must have been heart-wrenching.
And upon hearing today's news about Mike leaving DT, I'd say his departure isn't far behind as the most devastating. ------------- 
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: September 08 2010 at 21:51
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OK, Gabriel voters......do you really think the two post-Waters PF albums are better than Trick of the Tail and Wind/Wuthering? ------------- If you love cats, please adopt an older cat. They've been in a cage far too long, and they long for a home. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: September 08 2010 at 21:53
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I can't look at it that way. I look at how the solo artist turned out compared to the band he left. Quite frankly, none of the options on the list are a big deal to me. I'm pretty content.  ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Lark the Starless
Date Posted: September 08 2010 at 21:57
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: September 08 2010 at 21:58
But the poll was about the band, not the guy who left it. ------------- If you love cats, please adopt an older cat. They've been in a cage far too long, and they long for a home. |
Posted By: tdfloyd
Date Posted: September 08 2010 at 22:06
Well Said!
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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: September 08 2010 at 22:14
You´re too good for them anyways! ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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Posted By: Chela
Date Posted: September 08 2010 at 22:30
What you said
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Posted By: TheClosing
Date Posted: September 08 2010 at 22:47
Quite the contrary. Prog is the biggest it's been in quite some time and will certainly go on with or without DT.
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Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: September 08 2010 at 22:50
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Gabriel's departure was indeed devastating, but Hackett's was even more so. If was after Hackett left that Genesis really began to go downhill.
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: September 08 2010 at 22:53
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: September 08 2010 at 22:57
| From the bands I know, DT, Pink Floyd, Yes and Genesis, I think they all had already done the best they could do together, and the departures only helped them to do something different from what they had already been doing, though not everybody may like the new aproches taken by the bands (well, we still don't know about DT). So, I'm not sure it was a bad thing at all. A sad break-up for some people may be Barrett (being forced) to leave Pink Floyd, because they were just beginning and any greatness they might have achieved together was lost (however, I myself don't think I would have liked that as much as I love the Waters-Gilmour albums). Also, the original King Crimson line-up only lasting for one album... but then, they achieved more than most bands with only that album, and they may not have been able to improve in it if they had remained together anyway. Portnoy leaving DT really came as a shock to me... I was rather expecting (and almost even wishin) LaBrie leaving first. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: September 08 2010 at 23:04
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From the list
Gabriel leaving Genesis , well really was a process, started with Gabriel and ended with Hackett leaving the band, probably the same thing would had happened if Hackett had left before, the band could musically survive witthout one of them, but not without the two
Fish leaving Marillion
Lets not forget Walsh leaving Kansas, at least Steinhardt was replaced by an excellent violin player like Ragsdale.
As a fact I like "A Momentary Lapse of Reason" a lot, so no, Waters was not that devastatimng IMO.
Iván
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: September 09 2010 at 02:00
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Looking at the replacements and at what the bands did after the departures, I say Gabriel. It could have been Waters, but a song like High Hopes means that his leaving was not so devastating. Fish leaving was a pity more for himself than for the band. Marillion had the good idea of changing their sound and become something different instead of trying to just replace the frontman, then you cal like Hogarth or not. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: September 09 2010 at 02:32
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Mike Portnoy leaving DT will bring an end to the world And it will be a most painful end, I hope he's happy and enjoys his time with avenged sevenfold  |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: September 09 2010 at 04:56
John Bonham leaving Led Zepp or Freddie Mercury leaving Queen 
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: September 09 2010 at 04:56
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Interesting one. I love Marillion post Fish and also Genesis post Gabriel. As far as Waters is concerned, the two LPs Gilmour did with Floyd pale in comparison with the Waters era, but at least MLOR had On The Turning Away, which is a great track. My vote goes to Anderson leaving Yes. I am absolutely in a minority, I know, as regards Drama, which I can't stand, and as for the tribute band singer...Best I leave no comment. Of course, Robert leaving Epignosis would be the killer ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: September 09 2010 at 05:03
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All of these were leaders or front ends, but not sole rulers of these bands.
I think that Robert Fripp leaving King Crimson or Ian Anderson leaving Jethro Tull would come closer to a fatal blow. ------------- 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: September 09 2010 at 05:13
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From this list it's Gabriel leaving Genesis. I was in shock at the time as I was just getting into Genesis for about a year. As it happens I loved Trick. Worse than this and should be on the list imo is Hackett leaving Genesis. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: September 09 2010 at 05:28
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Just let me say that more than Waters leaving Pink Floyd it was Pink Floyd leaving Waters, really. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: yanch
Date Posted: September 09 2010 at 06:33
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Gabriel leaving Genesis from this group. I agree with both someone_else's comment that Fripp leaving King Crimson or Ian Anderson leaving Tull would be closer to fatal blows. They are the real driving forces and composers for KC and JT. Also, Snow Dog's mention that Hackett's departure from Genesis should be included! Hackett's departure had a huge impact on where Genesis headed musically.
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Posted By: Tull Freak 94
Date Posted: September 09 2010 at 06:44
| Hackett leaving Genesis had a worse lasting impact than Gabriel leaving Genesis |
Posted By: toroddfuglesteg
Date Posted: September 09 2010 at 06:45
NO !!!!!!!!!!!!! NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't leave Epignosis, Robert !!!!!!!!! We can't let Viking Invasion, your slightly musically challenged moggy (cat) do the drums, guitars and bass alone. Please, please, please don't leave Epignosis !!! |
Posted By: Tull Freak 94
Date Posted: September 09 2010 at 06:48
| Hackett leaving Genesis had a worse lasting impact than Gabriel leaving Genesis |
Posted By: Tull Freak 94
Date Posted: September 09 2010 at 06:50
| Why the Hell do my posts always post twice!?! |
Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: September 09 2010 at 06:59
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None of the above.
When Gabriel left Genesis, for example, I was really looking forward to his solo career. And I was not disappointed. But Patrick Moraz leaving Yes - now THAT was a shocker! I knew right from the start the band would never again record anything as adventurous as RELAYER. As a solo recording artist, by 1976 good old Rick had run out of steam. (About half of NO EARTHLY CONNECTION was good, just a few tracks on CRIMINAL RECORD still rocked, RHAPSODIES was a total disaster.) So I just knew he wouldn't contribute anything worthwile to Yes's career. Just compare Moraz' superb solos on 'Sound Chaser' and 'To Be Over' with the cheesy synths you hear on 'Wondrous Stories' or 'Don't Kill the Whale'. (And no, Rick's playing on 'Awaken' never really impressed me either!) So: Moraz' departure really meant the end of Yes's glory days. Strange to think that, after THE STORY OF I, our Patrick never really made a decent solo album himself... Did Yes ruin him, in the same way that his departure ruined Yes? 
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: September 09 2010 at 07:04
I didn't make myself clear- sorry. What I mean by that is this: Genesis went pop not long after Gabriel left. But so did Gabriel. Neither was as good as their sum. My point here being that even if Gabriel had stayed in Genesis, I believe they would have become a pop band anyway. Anderson leaving Yes was not a big deal (Drama is wonderful) and Yes made some amazing albums when he returned. Waters and Pink Floyd...I personally think Pink Floyd's later output is mostly very good. I mean, I don't get this. People complain about how horrible The Final Cut is, which is pretty much all self-indulgent Roger Waters, and then complain that Waters wasn't in Pink Floyd after that! How does that make any sense? ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: September 09 2010 at 07:11
For me the Final Cut is a good album, even if not their best, but A Momentary Leapse of Reason is more or less on the same level. It features best music and worse lyrics, but the two make the pair. The Division Bell is for me a masterpiece so I wouldn't complain so much. What people complains is that Roger Waters' musical genius was missed BEFORE The Final Cut. In the Wall he is more concentrated on the concept and on the lyrics, but the better parts are those co-written with Gilmour. I think Waters left Pink Floyd after Animals. This is the sense. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: September 09 2010 at 09:19
Your first statement is debatable. In many ways, TRICK OF THE TAIL is as good as earlier Genesis albums, although inevitably that strange sense of menace, mystery and majesty is missing! Similarly, tracks like "Here Comes the Flood" or "No Self-Control" are as interesting as anything Genesis ever did. Your second statement may be more to the point: one could easily imagine a more commercial Genesis-WITH-Gabriel releasing something like "Sledgehammer", alas... |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: September 09 2010 at 09:55
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Waters leaving Floyd. They were just a bit dull after he left.
I thought Gabriel leaving Genesis would top this poll. Although Gabriel going was a big loss to the band, I think they 'grew up fast' and for afew years at least were actually a better band. Sorry, I know that's a contraversial view.. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: September 09 2010 at 10:01
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a few more candidates:
Hackett leaving Genesis
Hodgson leaving Supertramp
Wyatt leaving Soft Machine
and finally ....
Godley & Creme leaving 10CC ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: September 09 2010 at 10:09
Indeed, Hacket leaving was a bigger loss to Genesis than Gabriel going imo. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: September 09 2010 at 10:18
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Byron Leaving UH.
Blackmore Leaving DP
Lemmy leaving Hawkwind.
Hensley leaving UH.
Bruford leaving Yes.
Bardens leaving Camel.
Gillan and Glover leaving DP.
Halford leaving JP.
Dicksinson Leaving IM
Hansen Leaving Helloween.
Neil leaving MC
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: September 09 2010 at 10:22
A few of these were firings, though.
Not like they left on their own will. ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: September 09 2010 at 10:41
| Helmut Koellen leaving Triumvirat-the band never really recovered |
Posted By: Lozlan
Date Posted: September 09 2010 at 11:14
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From this list, I can say Gabriel with very little deliberation. The horrors that Phil Collins went on to create with that vehicle make my physically ill. As for the Waters departure...I've always thought this was drastically over-emphasized. Given, I grew up on The Division Bell, but even so I think it's a fantastic, amazing album. Momentary Lapse less so, but then that was really just a Gilmour solo effort dressed up in the Floyd name. If I have to choose between The Final Cut (gag me with a spoon) and Division Bell...not even a contest. ------------- Certified Obscure Prog Fart. http://scottjcouturier.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow - The Loose Palace of Exile - My first novel, The Mask of Tamrel, now available on Amazon and Kindle |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: September 09 2010 at 11:31
Almighty Skeletor...NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! Please stay
(ok I feel better...good luck dude!!)
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: September 09 2010 at 11:45
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For those of these I know I don't think any of the departures were a big blow.
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Posted By: Soundman
Date Posted: September 09 2010 at 11:50
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Put me in the Hackett leaving Genesis camp also. ------------- Get your fix of prog concert recordings on Love Letters. http://www.thedividingline.com/ll" rel="nofollow - http://www.thedividingline.com/ll |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: September 09 2010 at 14:27
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Gabriel left a huge hole which the "great drummer but lousy singer" Collins couldn't really fill, but they continued to make some very good music. But Hackett leaving was infinitely worse. That was the end of Genesis as a credible band. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: Formentera Lady
Date Posted: September 09 2010 at 14:36
I don't know much about Soft Machine, but for the others I would agree, that these departures had a greater negative impact on the bands development than the list above. From the list... probably Fish leaving Marillion, because I do not like the Hogarth era very much. |
Posted By: daslaf
Date Posted: September 09 2010 at 15:27
I think that's kinda... mmmm... those guys are/were their bands, wether the band had some awesome musicians collaborating with their ideas or not, those guys were the creative leaders of the bands, the band belongs to them... it's like VdGG without Hammill... there's no King Crimson without Fripp. no JT without Ian, no VdGG without Hammill... it wouldn't be a fatal blow, it would be the end of the band ------------- But now my branches suffer And my leaves don't bear the glow They did so long ago |
Posted By: mohaveman
Date Posted: September 09 2010 at 15:54
| Marillion without Fish is an altogether different band |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: September 09 2010 at 16:02
Good spot, but more than Bardens, I think Ferguson leaving Camel gave room to Sinclair that was very good with Caravan, but mixing the sound of the two bands resulted in things very far from the first four masterpieces. Of course Latimer too was responsible of the change, but Camel never reached the level of the first 4 albums until Rajaz. And Ferguson is the one missing since Rain Dances. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: September 09 2010 at 23:10
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I agree that Hackett leaving Genesis was worse than Peters departure.
I agree that Fripp or Ian Anderson leaving their bands would be... well, they were their bands. I agree that Waters leaving Floyd was not so very bad, I liked Momentary Lapse at least as much as Final Cut, and I think I liked it even better, and Division Bell is one of my very favourite Pink Floyd albums. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 10 2010 at 08:06
what's so devastating about Fish leaving Marillion? 10 votes? Fish was not even the driving force of the band or the main songwrter for that matter.
I think Hackett leaving Genesis was more devastating than the departure of Gabriel...
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Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: September 10 2010 at 08:13
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My first thought was John Bonham leaving Zeppelin to go to a better place ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: September 10 2010 at 12:35
Fish was the face, voice, personality and lyricist of Marillion, without him they became a mainstream band in short time.
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Posted By: Rabid
Date Posted: September 10 2010 at 12:44
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Who's Mike Portnoy? ------------- "...the thing IS, to put a motor in yourself..." |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 10 2010 at 13:51
I disagree but hey, everyone's entitled to an opinion; Hogarth is a great lyricist as well and has found respect as the face of Marillion since he joined the band.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 10 2010 at 13:54
really? you don't know?! he's quite famous, one of the greatest drummers, co-founder of the famous progressive metal band Dream Theater.
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: September 10 2010 at 15:17
You are both true. It's that Marillion with Fish and with Hogarth are two different bands. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: September 10 2010 at 15:20
You are both true. It's that Marillion with Fish and with Hogarth are two different bands. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: September 10 2010 at 15:21
Firgive the double reply, I'm getting network errors  ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: September 10 2010 at 18:21
| Dirk Steffens leaving Birth Control in 1974-he was only around for one album, but what a loss! |
Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: September 10 2010 at 20:31
lolwut |
Posted By: Anthony
Date Posted: September 11 2010 at 17:01
Indeed, a better one! ------------- Future prosperity lies in the way you heal the world with love (Introitus - The hand that feeds you) |
Posted By: Progist
Date Posted: September 12 2010 at 07:51
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For me it has to be Gabriel, it was all downhill after that for Genesis. After Hackett left, I don't see how you could even call them the same band, just the name remained the same.
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Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: September 12 2010 at 15:09
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Voted Anderson but I refer to the current situation, not 1978 (Drama was okay, and he came back anyway).
This departure/dismissal/whatever-is-going-on, has basically prevented the big finish that was due from the classic line-up. I'm not saying that whatever Benoit's team creates won't be good (As I said, Drama was okay) but any chances of a grand finale with Jon are now much lower...... And I'm sad about that.
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Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: September 13 2010 at 02:20
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Strange how Genesis is leading, I would say it was the best thing that could happen at that point, at least for Gabriel  So I would go with Waters leaving Floyd, they lost a creative tension with that split and none of both parties ever came near to what Floyd had made. |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: September 13 2010 at 13:04
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Other. Morrison dying/leaving The Doors. |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: September 13 2010 at 14:45
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I mean one of most devastating band departures is Bonzo´s death - just therefore Led Zeppelin were disbanded. And what about Dave Byron and even Ken Hensley departures of Uriah Heep?
From the list: I´ve voted for Gabriel. ------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Posted By: Elderflower Man
Date Posted: September 13 2010 at 16:48
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Well, from that list, I immediately went to Genesis and Gabriel, but then I realised that, while I might not have liked the music, Phil Collins' Genesis at least had a coherent identity. After Waters left Floyd, their stuff just wasn't as good. They never recovered. So I went for them.
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Posted By: esky
Date Posted: September 13 2010 at 16:52
| It's Waters leaving Floyd, really. But the departures that truly stick out in my mind are Holdsworth and Bruford from UK. A devistating loss that was never recouped |
Posted By: jeffh
Date Posted: September 13 2010 at 19:08
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Well, both Genesis and Yes produced albums that are among my favorites by those bands shortly after these departures. So it's hard to vote for either of those. Genesis' problems started in earnest at about the time Hackett left, though I think his departure was more an effect than it was a cause of this process; he'd been drifting apart from the others for a while there, if you've ever heard/read him talk about the making of Lamb (when Gabriel was still in the band). Hackett does have a slightly more credible claim than Gabriel though; he is the only one of the five men in the "classic" Genesis lineup who, to judge by their respective solo work, did not at any point "go pop" by any sane definition. Marillion went from a not that interesting band that had its moments to an utterly different not that interesting band that had its moments. No biggie there. Floyd? I think The Division Bell is at least as good as The Final Cut, for one thing, and that alone is reason enough to question any vote in that direction. For another, the parties had drifted far enough apart that it's hard to imagine how Waters could not have left. I do wish Gilmour would relent on his opposition to getting back together now that Waters has publicly said he's open to the idea, though (Rick's death notwithstanding). I don't know Sabbath that well. The stuff I've heard without Osbourne has seemed about as good as the stuff with him to me. And of course, the jury's still out on Portnoy leaving DT. I'm pessimistic about that one but for all anyone knows right now it could turn out to be the best thing that ever happened to them. (Same with Anderson's, what, third departure from Yes? Above I was referring to his first.) In short, for all the ink that's been spilled over some of them, I find none of these to be a credible candidate for "most devastating band departure" in popular music, or even in prog rock. (I'll offer one more candidate for the former, though - Robbie Robertson leaving The Band.) |
Posted By: catfood03
Date Posted: September 13 2010 at 20:41
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Were these devastating...? Eno leaving Roxy? No. Actually the three albums following his departure were my favorite by the band. Besides Eno did some great music on his own anyway. Damo Suzuki leaving Can? Yes. They never did quite match Tago Mago or Future Days after that. Phil Collins leaving Genesis? Yes, but I do have a soft spot for Ray Wilson. Klaus Dinger and Michael Rother leaving Kraftwerk? Hell yeah! Those 3 Neu albums kicked Kraftwerk butt! |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: September 14 2010 at 02:51
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Ozzy´s leaving Black Sabbath wasn´t too big "bereavement" as seems to be. The last two Sabb albums with him are weak though. And the arrival of Dio have impressed as a viva aqua... ------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Posted By: daSilva
Date Posted: September 14 2010 at 09:27
totally agree! ------------- I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong. (Bertrand Russell) |
Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: September 14 2010 at 10:37
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All the people that voted Waters: Surely it's less devestating that at least half the others on this list because it wasn't even a proper departure. I mean, the tensions between these guys was evident from Animals onwards, and after their final cut- The Final Cut(!), it wasn't so much that Waters left, but that the group had actually disbanded.
Gilmour's restarting of Pink Floyd didn't involve Waters because of what had happened, but he never technically left Pink Floyd, he just wasn't involved with PF mk 2, because he ended PF mk 1 himself.
In short, Pink Floyd ended in 1982 with all four members. Gilmour's later thing just used the name of the previous band.
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Posted By: The-time-is-now
Date Posted: September 14 2010 at 11:03
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Yes still made good music without Anderson. Genesis didn't (proggy speaking, of course !!!)
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Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: September 14 2010 at 11:22
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How about "Hackett leaves Genesis" ?
Hackett's departure hurt Genesis more than Gabriel's departure, Trick of the Tail and Wind And Wuthering as proof... ------------- "One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio |
Posted By: esky
Date Posted: September 14 2010 at 12:02
Here, here! I wish I would have thought of this one. Just think what kind of album ATTWT would have been with the Hackett touch. Good call!
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Posted By: esky
Date Posted: September 14 2010 at 12:02
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Posted By: jeffh
Date Posted: September 14 2010 at 18:50
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Posted By: twostikks
Date Posted: September 15 2010 at 14:35
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When Keith Moon left The Who. ------------- Gary "... people will always be tempted to wipe their feet on anything with WELCOME written on it" Andy Partridge |
Posted By: ferush
Date Posted: September 15 2010 at 15:01
| Peter Gabriel, no doubt. |