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Topic: Concert without keyboard
Posted By: paganinio
Subject: Concert without keyboard
Date Posted: September 21 2010 at 12:02

Why do these concerts have no keyboards, while the studio versions of the songs obviously have keyboards sections?


http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=7798 - King Crimson - Eyes Wide Open

Line-up / Musicians

- Robert Fripp / guitars
- Pat Mastelotto / drums
- Adrian Belew / guitar, vocals

- Trey Gunn / bass

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=7220 - Rush - Live in Rio

Line-up / Musicians

- Geddy Lee / vocals, basses, keyboards
- Alex Lifeson / guitars, vocals
- Neil Peart / drums, percussion

Since Geddy Lee can't play two instruments at once, who's playing the keyboards when he's playing the bass?



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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: September 21 2010 at 12:28
Originally posted by paganinio paganinio wrote:

Why do these concerts have no keyboards, while the studio versions of the songs obviously have keyboards sections?


http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=7798 - King Crimson - Eyes Wide Open

Line-up / Musicians

- Robert Fripp / guitars
- Pat Mastelotto / drums
- Adrian Belew / guitar, vocals

- Trey Gunn / bass



Obviously you've never heard of guitar effects.


Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: September 21 2010 at 12:31
There are also new arrangements of songs possible. 

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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: September 21 2010 at 12:35
I thought Ged used bass pedals when he was on keys.


Posted By: MrEdifus
Date Posted: September 21 2010 at 12:39
Geddy Lee uses MIDI pedals to set off canned sound effects during songs while he plays bass. This includes keyboard sounds and backup vocals.


Posted By: paganinio
Date Posted: September 21 2010 at 19:32
 
Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:



Obviously you've never heard of guitar effects.

No I haven't. I heard gentle string sounds on the King Crimson DVD, but all I saw was Robert Fripp on his guitar. So the string sound was coming from Fripp ??



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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: September 21 2010 at 19:40
Originally posted by paganinio paganinio wrote:

 
Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:



Obviously you've never heard of guitar effects.

No I haven't. I heard gentle string sounds on the King Crimson DVD, but all I saw was Robert Fripp on his guitar. So the string sound was coming from Fripp ??



Watch the DVD again. Take a look at the Introductory Soundscape on the 2003 concert. You'll notice Fripp sparsely playing his guitar while dialing in on the numerous devices pictured below:



Since the early 90s, Fripp has employed this combination of harmonizers, delays and guitar synth pedals to go beyond the standard fuzztone sound of yore.




Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: September 21 2010 at 19:54
Originally posted by paganinio paganinio wrote:

Why do these concerts have no keyboards, while the studio versions of the songs obviously have keyboards sections?


http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=7798 - King Crimson - Eyes Wide Open

Line-up / Musicians

- Robert Fripp / guitars
- Pat Mastelotto / drums
- Adrian Belew / guitar, vocals

- Trey Gunn / bass

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=7220 - Rush - Live in Rio

Line-up / Musicians

- Geddy Lee / vocals, basses, keyboards
- Alex Lifeson / guitars, vocals
- Neil Peart / drums, percussion

Since Geddy Lee can't play two instruments at once, who's playing the keyboards when he's playing the bass?


I see, is this some kind of trick question?  Hmmm??? Tongue

How about transposition of parts keeps the music fresh?


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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: September 21 2010 at 19:58
Originally posted by paganinio paganinio wrote:

Why do these concerts have no keyboards, while the studio versions of the songs obviously have keyboards sections?


http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=7798 - King Crimson - Eyes Wide Open

Line-up / Musicians

- Robert Fripp / guitars
- Pat Mastelotto / drums
- Adrian Belew / guitar, vocals

- Trey Gunn / bass

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=7220 - Rush - Live in Rio

Line-up / Musicians

- Geddy Lee / vocals, basses, keyboards
- Alex Lifeson / guitars, vocals
- Neil Peart / drums, percussion

 
Saw Todd Rundgren recently ... and the other guitarist was playing all the keyboard parts ... strings and all, too!
 
It's too easy now ... all you have to do is plug the guitar to this and that and this and that ... and voila, you have an orchestra!
 
The problem is ... sometimes it does not sound right, however, it is always interesting to hear different versions of the same thing ... gosh, I was weened on what ... like 10 versions of Atom Heart Mother and 15 versions of Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun!
 
And I like the differences! ... it always prevenst the song from getting boring to your inner mind ... and next time you hear it, you can see something else ... that might have come out of the connection between the different versions ... and this adds a 3rd dimention to music that ... is immense and totally far out.


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