The Flaming Lips and Sufjan Stevens
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Topic: The Flaming Lips and Sufjan Stevens
Posted By: beaverteeth92
Subject: The Flaming Lips and Sufjan Stevens
Date Posted: October 29 2010 at 21:38
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I would like to suggest The Flaming Lips for Prog Related, and Sufjan Stevens for either Crossover Prog or Prog Related. The Flaming Lips: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXBKjWxqSts - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXBKjWxqSts http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Flaming_Lips - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Flaming_Lips Sufjan Stevens: http://www.myspace.com/sufjanstevens - http://www.myspace.com/sufjanstevens http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sufjan_Stevens - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sufjan_Stevens Discographies: < ="utf-8"> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Flaming_Lips_discography http://www.discogs.com/artist/Sufjan+Stevens |
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: October 29 2010 at 22:48
Sufjan has been rejected by the crossover Team, and Flaming Lips.......close.....but I am not sure they would carry weight here. I mean Mercury Rev reside in PR but each band needs to be taken on it's own merits. And we do know FL have been blatantly alt/psych/crossover at times. I think PR would be their best shout for a couple of/three even albums they have done, Zaireeka and Embryonic spring to mind :-) Not quite a Boces, now I am gonna be slamdunked for drawing comparisons  ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: October 30 2010 at 08:41
| Sufjan was also considered and rejected for prog folk. He's too eclectic for us, but we also felt that his prog relationships are once or twice removed. Great artist though |
Posted By: beaverteeth92
Date Posted: October 30 2010 at 09:28
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I thought being eclectic was an important part of prog. I'd think if anything, being too eclectic would be a prerequisite to being prog. And so what if the Flaming Lips are "blatantly alt?" So are Muse and they're on here.
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Posted By: Jake Kobrin
Date Posted: October 30 2010 at 14:22
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Flaming Lips are more psyche-pop. They don't really have any prog influence, except for maybe Piper at the Gates of Dawn, etc. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/pages/Dr-Neil-Kobrin/244687105562746" rel="nofollow - SUPPORT MY FATHER AND BECOME A FAN Jacob Kobrin Illustration |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: October 30 2010 at 14:28
| You can't say that a band who makes a full cover of DSOTM has no prog influence. Also, I think Embryonic is progressive rock. I am waiting for the evaluation process to end for the full prog categories and if the answers are NO I'll champion them for Prog Related. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 30 2010 at 14:34
I'd be surprised if they weren't directly influenced by Krautrock artists on Embryonic (though Krautrock was influenced by that Pink Floyd album too). That album has definite Krautrock qualities to my ear, and I think PA worthy. I support Flaming Lips based on Embryonic, Zaireeka, and The Soft Bulletin. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Jake Kobrin wrote:Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: October 30 2010 at 15:47
 ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Adams Bolero
Date Posted: October 30 2010 at 17:36
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I actually made a thread about Sufjan last week but it died a terrible death. Here it is for anyone interested: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=72475 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=72475 ------------- ''Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be normal.'' - Albert Camus |
Posted By: Bea
Date Posted: October 30 2010 at 19:08
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I like the flips - I know they are more hippie than prog - but it's a schtick I dig - and also - I have mad respect for the way they do covers. I had an awestome great time when I saw them - I'd see them again. - but yea - I agree not quite prog. ------------- "I Asyvw Rnxawcfbo Tohtrf Eaksp Allemnga Irthem Andq Nofqubj Eroamatt." |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 30 2010 at 19:14
I think it was already rejected for Psych and Kraut. The only Prog category I would have seen it in was Crossover, but if your team rejected it then I wouldn't see it in (unless Related, which i also supported it for, but it did not get in there). If a new album comes up that's considered prog category worthy, then the Lips can be re-evaluated. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: beaverteeth92
Date Posted: October 31 2010 at 21:30
| Well they and Sufjan both have the symphonic element and complexity down to a science. Like I don't see how they and Arcade Fire are excluded from this site, but how Deep Purple is on, considering Deep Purple is mostly hard rock. And I say that with Deep Purple being one of my all-time favorite bands. |
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: October 31 2010 at 21:34
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One's been around since the 80s and thus deserves some consideration. The other one is an irrelevant modern hack that should never be invoked in any serious music discussion ever again. |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: October 31 2010 at 21:46
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No more additions to prog related. Please. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 31 2010 at 21:58
Why not? ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: October 31 2010 at 22:27
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I understand why prog related is there and I accept it, but I feel like adding more things to prog related does not add any value to the site. I don't care about the Flaming Lips and have never heard one of their albums, so if people think they're prog and want to put them in Crossover or whatever (although I don't want Crossover to become a dumping ground for semi-prog either) then I don't mind. But I don't see any need to recognize either of them as pseudo-semi-prog. A ton of music is pseudo-semi-prog. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: beaverteeth92
Date Posted: October 31 2010 at 23:00
Why? He's a talented multi-instrumentalist who has garnered significant critical acclaim as a result of writing extremely complex albums, and his albums get even more complex with every release. Illinois has consistently been called one of the best albums of the 2000s: http://www.metacritic.com/music/illinois http://www.popmatters.com/music/reviews/s/stevenssufjan-illinois.shtml
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: October 31 2010 at 23:16
You're not going to convince him, save your breath (or fingers in this case). ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Adams Bolero
Date Posted: October 31 2010 at 23:51
 ------------- ''Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be normal.'' - Albert Camus |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: November 01 2010 at 05:28
| Greg, you mean that FL were evaluated for Related and rejected? |
Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: November 01 2010 at 07:39
Eclectic can be one aspect of prog. But not all prog is eclectic and not all eclectic is prog
In any case, I am only saying we rejected Sufjan for prog folk. Eclectic...that's not my department
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 01 2010 at 12:08
No. I don't know if it's even been formally proposed to Related, let alone evaluated -- it's had some support for Related, but I don't know if that went anywhere. Since Prog Related doesn't have, at least public, charts, and SCs PM suggestions to that team, it can be rather difficult to follow developments/ process. I thought I'd read something about it being under PR consideration before, but I may have misread a post. Looking back on threads, I think I supported it alternately for the proposed new album-based category, but not sure what's happening with that idea either (or if M@X has considered it). After doing some research, it looks like iot could be formally proposed to Prog Related, but if the teams that evaluated do not support it in PR (have to see how they voted beyond no for their categories), I wouldn't want to push it. It's much better, I think, if one has a team backing a proposal. Looking at the charts, I had seen this before but forgot, Dean (who is on the PR team), voted Prog Related when evaluating it for Crossover (that doesn't mean that he championed it to his PR teammates though). Was thinking Windhawk had proposed it to PR, but maybe not, http://progfreak.com/The-Flaming-Lips,_dbe,artists,_auto_8491147.xhtml?path=pa/recent - http://progfreak.com/The-Flaming-Lips,_dbe,artists,_auto_8491147.xhtml?path=pa/recent The Progfreak results are very promising (just explaining for the benefit of those who don't understand the chart), there aren't any yes votes for inclusion in a Prog category, but there are move votes that indicate Prog category worthy but not right for this team, and two Prog Related votes (no reject votes):
Think this shows the ultimate votes on the chart as people sometimes change votes (and note that sometimes people vote in threads without voting on a chart): So, for Pysch, three move to another category for evaluation and one unsure:
And for Crossover, three move to another Prog category for evlauation and one Prog Related from Dean:
So I guess a case of not being able to agree on best category fit, but the general chart consensus was not Prog Related but consider for a Prog category itself. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 01 2010 at 12:38
I think that the positives for having a robust prog-related category outweigh the negatives for an archival site. I would, however, like to see organisation of the category, and rather different parameters/ expectations. Another option would be articles written about music that has a relation to music in the so-called Prog categories here rather than adding the albums. I think this site has a long way to go as a useful site for serious researchers (but this is more of a fan-site than a site for serious, in-depth research, and is not a site I generally use for researching/ discovering music that has a relation to progressive rock or for progressive music generally -- other than in the fora sometimes). I think there's a lot of fringe/ experimental music that has a definite relation to music in the prog and prog-umbrella categories that could be considered for PR, but the category generally aims at much more commercial music to bring in people. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |