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Topic: Top 5 Prog Drummers
Posted By: Rush77
Subject: Top 5 Prog Drummers
Date Posted: January 03 2011 at 12:33
Give me ur top 5 Progressive Drummers
1.Neil Peart
2.Carl Palmer
3.Bill Bruford
4.Micheal Giles
5.Alan White



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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: January 03 2011 at 13:11
Pierre Moerlen
Christian Vander
Mani Neumeier
Jon Hiseman
Christiian Burchard


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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: January 03 2011 at 13:20
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Pierre Moerlen
Christian Vander


that's a good start.  However, having just done one of these not to long ago I don't feel like either looking up my previous list, nor do I feel like thinking up a new one


Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: January 03 2011 at 13:24
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Pierre Moerlen
Christian Vander


that's a good start.  However, having just done one of these not to long ago I don't feel like either looking up my previous list, nor do I feel like thinking up a new one


Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: January 03 2011 at 13:29
1. John "Pugwash"  Weathers
2. Phil Collins
3. Bob Siebenberg
4. Brann Dailor
5. Martin Smith


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Posted By: Effloresce
Date Posted: January 03 2011 at 16:02
I can't really say my top since, being a drummer myself, I shut out a lot of drummers who aren't my type, but I think my personal list would have to be topped by: Mark Heron, Steve Judd, and Gavin Harrison, in terms of influence on my drumming. 


Posted By: Mastosis
Date Posted: January 03 2011 at 16:13
1) Neil Peart
2) Mike Portnoy
3) Brann Dailor
4) Terry Bozzio
5) Danny Carey


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Posted By: oak17
Date Posted: January 03 2011 at 18:43
I'd have to say based on skill and my personal favorites:

1.Bill Bruford
2.Robert Wyatt
3.Terry Bozzio
4.Barriemore Barlow
5.Jon Hiseman


Posted By: Ozexpat
Date Posted: January 03 2011 at 20:58
1.  Bill Bruford
2.  Carl Palmer
3.  Terry Bozzio
4.  Neil Peart
5.  Jon Hiseman


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Posted By: Formentera Lady
Date Posted: January 04 2011 at 02:03
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:



that's a good start.  However, having just done one of these not to long ago I don't feel like either looking up my previous list, nor do I feel like thinking up a new one

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(I'm not your search machine...Sleepy)


Posted By: Richard House
Date Posted: January 04 2011 at 02:20
Carl Palmer,Neil Peart,Mike Portnoy,Bill Bruford, and Alan White. I have been playing for 30 + years and have been fortunate enough to see all of them many times and meet 3 of them.  :-))

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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: January 04 2011 at 03:07
Originally posted by Formentera Lady Formentera Lady wrote:


(I'm not your search machine...Sleepy)

y'are now

anyway I guess mine is
10. Christian Vander
9. Pierre Moerlen
8. Jaki Leibezeit
7. Chris Cutler
6. Francesco Pastacaldi

anyone want to renumber that for me, while I'm not doing anything? 10=1



Posted By: ten years after
Date Posted: January 04 2011 at 05:15
Ginger Baker
Jon Hiseman
Carl Palmer
Bill Bruford
Barrie Wilson


Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: January 04 2011 at 05:36
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:


anyone want to renumber that for me, while I'm not doing anything? 10=1


Sure, just give me your password and I'll sort it out. Tongue


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Posted By: Saff
Date Posted: January 04 2011 at 10:03
1. Bill Bruford
2. Neil Peart
3. Robert Wyatt
4. Gavin Harrison
5. Phil Collins


Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: January 04 2011 at 10:12
Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

1. John "Pugwash"  Weathers
2. Phil Collins
3. Bob Siebenberg
4. Brann Dailor
5. Martin Smith


I will add
 Gavin Harrison
Jeff Porcaro
Matt Cameron
Michael Giles
Andy Ward


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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: January 04 2011 at 14:07
Jaki Liebezeit
Christian Vander
Mani Neumeier
Tatsuya Yoshida
Dave Kerman
Chris Cutler

I can count to 5 just fine. Approve


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Posted By: Prog Geo
Date Posted: January 04 2011 at 14:42
Anders Nordin/Martin Lopez/Martin AxenrotWink
Mike Portnoy
Ed Warby
John Haughm/Chris Green/Aesop DekkerWink
Cato BekkevoldWink


Posted By: XTChuck
Date Posted: January 04 2011 at 14:51
NEIL PEART
TERRY BOZZIO
BILL BRUFORD
CARL PALMER
CHESTER THOMPSON
 
and a few other honorable mentions  --  Billy Cobham, Clive Bunker and Bob Siebenberg


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 04 2011 at 16:39
Originally posted by Rush77 Rush77 wrote:

Give me ur top 5 Progressive Drummers
1.Neil Peart
2.Carl Palmer
3.Bill Bruford
4.Micheal Giles
5.Alan White
 
Same top three for me then Phil Collins and Jon Hiseman which is all very typically seventies orientated so just for the hell of it I'll make a top five post-1980 list as well:
 
1 Gavin Harrison
2 Mike Portnoy
3 Nicko McBrain
4 Andy Edwards
5 Zoltan Csorz


Posted By: ferush
Date Posted: January 04 2011 at 18:26
1.- Bill Bruford
2.- Phil Collins
 


Posted By: areazione
Date Posted: January 05 2011 at 13:45
1. Billy Cobham
2. Terry Bozzio
3. Bill Bruford
4. Lenny White
5. Giulio Capiozzo

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Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: January 05 2011 at 20:01
Billy Cobham
Lenny White
Narada Michael Walden
Alphonse Muzon
Bill Bruford


Posted By: pied piper
Date Posted: January 06 2011 at 09:42
I keep on wondering why Peart is so over rated... are the most of you gone under a brain washing full treatment? LOL

The best prog drummers ever, IMHO, are
Phil Collins
Bill Bruford
Barriemore Barlow
Simon Phillips
and one between Pierre Van Der Linden, Pip Pyle and Pierre Moerlen.


Posted By: Lozlan
Date Posted: January 06 2011 at 13:49
1. Hal Aponte
2. Carter Beauford
3. Phil Ehart
4. Neil Peart
5. Roger Taylor

Bit of a personalized list, but each of these drummers means something special to me.


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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: January 06 2011 at 14:24
"I wonder why Peart is overrated" followed by a list topped with Phil Collins LOL


Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: January 06 2011 at 14:44
Gavin Harrison
Bill Bruford
Neil Peart
Phil Collins
Jon Hiseman



Posted By: Harold-The-Barrel
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 05:07
1.Carl Palmer
2.Bill Bruford
3.Nick Mason
4.Ian Mosley
5.Gavin Harrison

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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 13:45
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

"I wonder why Peart is overrated" followed by a list topped with Phil Collins LOL

You can only wonder that if you never heard Brand X with Phil Collins at the drums. Here an example:

I already have explained the term "overrated" in connection with Peart.


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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 13:55
Peart is better than Collins though......

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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 13:58
<movie voice-over guy>:  SNOWIE v. BALDIE VIII:  THIS TIME, IT'S PERSONAL

*stuff blows up*


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 14:01
^^Not this time but.....



I'll be back!Wink


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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 14:03
I know Bald-Tor and the Snow Dog was more obvious, but anyway.


Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 14:03
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Peart is better than Collins though......

I am certain you have a drummometer by which to measure that.


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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 14:05
Peart bashing gets old. 

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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 14:28
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Peart bashing gets old. 

How often do I have to repeat it: I am NOT bashung Peart. I am bashing a certain kind of fans of him.


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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 14:31
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Certain kind of Peart fan bashing gets old. 


Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 14:35
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Certain kind of Peart fan bashing gets old. 

As get comments that stylize Peart to be the überdrummer.


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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 14:36
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Peart is better than Collins though......

I am certain you have a drummometer by which to measure that.

How did you know?Shocked


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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 14:38
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Certain kind of Peart fan bashing gets old. 

As get comments that stylize Peart to be the überdrummer.

Yet, I note that in this thread, not one single person has exhibited the sycophantic behavior that bothers you so.


Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 14:39
the uberdrummer is Lars Ulrich
/thread


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 14:41
I prefer the udder drummer.

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Posted By: ThinLizzy
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 14:42
John Bonham was always the best for me.

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Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 15:01
1. Neil Peart
2. Mark Zonder
3. Danny Carey
4. Chris Maitland
5. John Macaluso

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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 15:04
Originally posted by ThinLizzy ThinLizzy wrote:

John Bonham was always the best for me.


for me too, but I don't see what sex appeal has to do with this topic


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 15:04
^LOL

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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 17:05
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Certain kind of Peart fan bashing gets old. 

As get comments that stylize Peart to be the überdrummer.

Yet, I note that in this thread, not one single person has exhibited the sycophantic behavior that bothers you so.

This.


Also,
Comments about how 100 drummers are better than Peart appear just as frequently and are just as annoying OMG PERAT IS GOD LOLAOWLRO!#!!!!




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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 17:17
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Certain kind of Peart fan bashing gets old. 

As get comments that stylize Peart to be the überdrummer.

Yet, I note that in this thread, not one single person has exhibited the sycophantic behavior that bothers you so.

This.


Also,
Comments about how 100 drummers are better than Peart appear just as frequently and are just as annoying OMG PERAT IS GOD LOLAOWLRO!#!!!!



I never said anything like that. All I am saying is that comments like "Peart, who else?" which you will find by the dozen in the archives' many drum polls are not justified at all; there are a lot of excellent drummers out there, and comments like that are an insult to them. And don't say "there are no such comments in the archives"; the archives are full of comments like that.


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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 17:23
So? It happens with so much more than just Peart.

I can think of 100 bands immensely better than Yes or ELP or Kansas. If I started a poll between them and any of the 3 person after person would say. 

Yes, who else?

In fact, I just did a poll where that happened.

The point is it happens with everything. Tastes are tastes. It's frustrating, but it's not really worth getting frustrated about. 


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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 17:29
Peter Giger
Jon Hiseman
Carl Palmer
Enrico Grosso
Joe Koinzer



Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 17:41
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

So? It happens with so much more than just Peart.

I can think of 100 bands immensely better than Yes or ELP or Kansas. If I started a poll between them and any of the 3 person after person would say. 

Yes, who else?

In fact, I just did a poll where that happened.

The point is it happens with everything. Tastes are tastes. It's frustrating, but it's not really worth getting frustrated about. 

Tastes are definitely tastes; I already stated so.  But you are missing the point. I on't give a damn if someone prefers peart as a drummer. But I care a lot if other drummers are being belittled.
Your example misses the point; it picks one of three. But I am talking about picking one out of all the drummers on PA,. Once again, if he is your favourite - fine, nothing against that. But it shows a deep disrespect to all the other drummers to say something like that.


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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 17:47
No it doesn't. It shows they like Peart more. Replace my example with Yes and 100 other bands I find to be better. Do you think a poll that pits Yes vs Katy Perry, Lady GaGa, Protest the Hero, Merzbow, Tunnels, blah blah blah still wouldn't be a blow out? With the same comments.

Peart would top my top 5 list. I would go as far to say it's not even close. I like his style of drumming. Lot's of users here are new and are hearing Neil Peart compared to modern rock bands on the local station. Lot's of them are just begining to explore Prog. They're making judgements from what they know. Given what they know, It may be laughable to suggest anyone except Peart as their number one. Don't take that as disrespect. 


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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 17:53
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

No it doesn't. It shows they like Peart more. Replace my example with Yes and 100 other bands I find to be better. Do you think a poll that pits Yes vs Katy Perry, Lady GaGa, Protest the Hero, Merzbow, Tunnels, blah blah blah still wouldn't be a blow out? With the same comments.

Peart would top my top 5 list. I would go as far to say it's not even close. I like his style of drumming. Lot's of users here are new and are hearing Neil Peart compared to modern rock bands on the local station. Lot's of them are just begining to explore Prog. They're making judgements from what they know. Given what they know, It may be laughable to suggest anyone except Peart as their number one. Don't take that as disrespect. 

I disagree. Then they could simply say "Peart". But "Who else?" indicates that Peart is a kind of superman against which all other drummers dwindle in comparison,, and that is an insult. Interestingly you will rarely find this kind of comment about any other drummer, but there are lot of comments like this from the Peart fan-club. Trust me on that; I am an avid reader of drum polls since I am a drummer myself.


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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 17:56
No it really doesn't. It indicated they greatly prefer Peart to anybody else. Frankly, I find your contention that the totality of Neil Peart fans contains a higher percentage of people making those comments to be absurd. Something about his drumming attracts those people?

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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 18:04
I guess I should actually provide a list. I hate making lists for favorite musicians.

1) Neil Peart, who else?
2) Joey Baron
3) Max Roach
4) Robert Wyatt
5) Guy Evans


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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 18:10
I'll do one too.

1. Neil Peart



























2. Everyone else................






































LOL


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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 18:16
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

No it really doesn't. It indicated they greatly prefer Peart to anybody else. Frankly, I find your contention that the totality of Neil Peart fans contains a higher percentage of people making those comments to be absurd. Something about his drumming attracts those people?

Browse the archives; it is far from absurd. Or I will browse them and give you examples of what I mean; examples which clearly belittle other drummers and make an Übermensch out of Peart.. And then I challenge you to find similar examples for other drummers - you will be hard-pressed to find them,.


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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 18:19
I simply refuse to believe you will find posts that belittle other drummers. Well, not many any road.

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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 18:20
Care the explain any possible factors that would cause a person to be a Neil Peart fan and make derisive remarks about other drummers more so than fans of any drummer besides Neil Peart? 

No I don't need to see examples from that highly scientific sampling process you suggest. The assumption is absurd.

When you go to grab your examples can you also grab examples of Peart haters needlessly insulting other's opinions?


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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 18:28
Once again; I am not a Peart hater. I just don't make an überdrummer out of him.


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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 18:29
Nor did anyone in this thread yet you must bring up how he's not that special.

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 18:30
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

One again; I am not a Peart hater. I just don't make an überdrummer out of him.

He clearly didn't say you were.


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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 18:31
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

I simply refuse to believe you will find posts that belittle other drummers. Well, not many any road.

The archives are full of those posts; since you donÄ't believe me I will go and find a few examples for you.


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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 18:34
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

I simply refuse to believe you will find posts that belittle other drummers. Well, not many any road.

The archives are full of those posts; since you donÄ't believe me I will go and find a few examples for you.

Go ahead.LOL


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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 18:37
To break the tension:
 
1. Bill Bruford
2. Chris Cutler
3. C. Vander
4. Phil Collins
5. Terry Bozzio
 
Top 4 more or less set in stone...fifth one up for grabs.
 


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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 18:39
I don't understand why, in a thread about members personal top 5 drummers we have to have yet another aargument about Peart. And this time across two threads at the same time. Just give us your f**king top 5!!!!

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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 19:16
I don't really have a "f**king top 5"; it all depends on my mood. The drummer who influnced my personal style of drumming the most is probably the late Pierre Moerlen of Gong; it was his drumming which inspired me to become a drummer myself. But there are many many others I like - Christian Vander, Pip Pyle, Mani Neumeier, Christian Burchard, Jon Hiseman,  Harald Grosskopf, Curt Cress, Robert Wyatt, Carsten Bohn, Jacky Bouladoux, Peter Giger. Freddy Setz. Some of them sadly already play in St. Peter's house band (Moerlen, Setz, Pyle).


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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 19:18
Shame you just didn't post that in the first place.

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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 22:33
Curt Cress, of course-world class!
         He should be on my list.


Posted By: MillsLayne
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 01:33
1. Neil Peart - Rush
2. Danny Carey - Tool (yes, they're prog)
3. Gavin Harrison - PT
4. Mark Heron - Oceansize
5. Mike Portnoy - DT/Transatlantic (Not a huge fan of the music, but he's good!)

Keep in mind, I'm still very new to the whole prog scene and really only know the mainstream bands and a few of the less-heard-of bands.


Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 06:43
Originally posted by MillsLayne MillsLayne wrote:

1. Neil Peart - Rush
2. Danny Carey - Tool (yes, they're prog)
3. Gavin Harrison - PT
4. Mark Heron - Oceansize
5. Mike Portnoy - DT/Transatlantic (Not a huge fan of the music, but he's good!)

Keep in mind, I'm still very new to the whole prog scene and really only know the mainstream bands and a few of the less-heard-of bands.

Then you should be introduced to some top drumming:

Pierre Moerlen:

Christian Vander:

Mani Neumeier:

Jon Hiseman:

Jacky Bouladoux:

Peter Giger:

Zabba Lindner:

Jan Fride Wolbrandt:

Harald Großkopf:


These are just a few examples.







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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 07:43
Why is it not ok to like Peart or hold him one's most favourite?  FYI, he is really hard to top among technical rock/metal-based drummers. There are more technically accomplished drummers playing in that style but not many with such a great sense of groove. Compared to THEM, Peart genuinely sounds like he's having fun.  I do like fusion/jazz-based drummers much more and certainly Collins a lot, lot more than Peart but it is not necessary that every drummer must play fusion and excel at it.  What you are objecting to - the lack of improvisation and spontaneity - is the essential style and not the way Peart plays it for not many can pack more energy into technical rock drum playing than Peart.  


Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 08:57
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Why is it not ok to like Peart or hold him one's most favourite?  FYI, he is really hard to top among technical rock/metal-based drummers. There are more technically accomplished drummers playing in that style but not many with such a great sense of groove. Compared to THEM, Peart genuinely sounds like he's having fun.  I do like fusion/jazz-based drummers much more and certainly Collins a lot, lot more than Peart but it is not necessary that every drummer must play fusion and excel at it.  What you are objecting to - the lack of improvisation and spontaneity - is the essential style and not the way Peart plays it for not many can pack more energy into technical rock drum playing than Peart.  

How many times do I have to repeat it? There is nothing wrong with liking Peart - if he is your favourite drummer, fine. B But the hype about him is simply annoying; he is not as sensational as he is being made. Many other drummers are just vas equally skilled, and that is a fact. And comments like "Peart, who else?" are definitely belittling to other drummers; you might as well say "no-one can shine a candle to Peart".
I don't go around shouting "Merlen, Moerlen" all day, even if he is my favourite drummer; on the contrary, I always make a point of listing lots of comparatively unknown drummers, simply because they deserve it. Once again: Peart is a very acdcomplished drummer, but he is neither more nor less accomplisshed (how would you measure that in the first place?) than dozens of other drummers. I personally dislike his stle and find his drumming predictable and boring, ut that says nothing about his skills.
Got  it now?


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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 09:08
Why is it not alright to have Peart as ones favourite?

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Posted By: BlindGuard
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 09:17
my top 5 are:(not in specific order)
1. Neil Peart
2. Phil Collins
3. Bill Bruford
4. Carl Palmer
5. Guy Evans


Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 09:32
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

 
I don't go around shouting "Merlen, Moerlen" all day, even if he is my favourite drummer; on the contrary, I always make a point of listing lots of comparatively unknown drummers, simply because they deserve it. 

Er, the point is they are simply different kinds of drummers playing different styles.  A more useful comparison would be between Moerlen and Dennis Chambers and likewise between Peart and Portnoy.  


Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 09:52
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

 
I don't go around shouting "Merlen, Moerlen" all day, even if he is my favourite drummer; on the contrary, I always make a point of listing lots of comparatively unknown drummers, simply because they deserve it. 

Er, the point is they are simply different kinds of drummers playing different styles.  A more useful comparison would be between Moerlen and Dennis Chambers and likewise between Peart and Portnoy.  

You are completely missing the point. It does not matter which name I would shout; I simply don't go ahead and shout ANY name all the time. I am not a fangirl, for no-one and nobody. On the contrary, I try to presnt new names all the time; just look at one of my recent posts in this thread


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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 09:54
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

 
I don't go around shouting "Merlen, Moerlen" all day, even if he is my favourite drummer; on the contrary, I always make a point of listing lots of comparatively unknown drummers, simply because they deserve it. 

Er, the point is they are simply different kinds of drummers playing different styles.  A more useful comparison would be between Moerlen and Dennis Chambers and likewise between Peart and Portnoy.  

You are completely missing the point. It does not matter which name I would shout; I simply don't go ahead and shout ANY name all the time. I am not a fangirl, for no-one and nobody. On the contrary, I try to presnt new names all the time; just look at one of my recent posts in this thread

No, you are missing MY point, which is simply that your complaints about Peart's style have more to do with the very nature of the music he performs and its requirements and less with his own inflexibility. So, before you go on your habitual "correcting-Peart-fanboys" spree, you should first give Peart a fairer evaluation.


Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 10:14
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

 
I don't go around shouting "Merlen, Moerlen" all day, even if he is my favourite drummer; on the contrary, I always make a point of listing lots of comparatively unknown drummers, simply because they deserve it. 

Er, the point is they are simply different kinds of drummers playing different styles.  A more useful comparison would be between Moerlen and Dennis Chambers and likewise between Peart and Portnoy.  

You are completely missing the point. It does not matter which name I would shout; I simply don't go ahead and shout ANY name all the time. I am not a fangirl, for no-one and nobody. On the contrary, I try to presnt new names all the time; just look at one of my recent posts in this thread

No, you are missing MY point, which is simply that your complaints about Peart's style have more to do with the very nature of the music he performs and its requirements and less with his own inflexibility. So, before you go on your habitual "correcting-Peart-fanboys" spree, you should first give Peart a fairer evaluation.

Your point is not true at all. Just listen to the Mani Neumeier example I posted in this thread; it is from the time when Guru Guru played hard prog.


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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 10:26
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

 
I don't go around shouting "Merlen, Moerlen" all day, even if he is my favourite drummer; on the contrary, I always make a point of listing lots of comparatively unknown drummers, simply because they deserve it. 

Er, the point is they are simply different kinds of drummers playing different styles.  A more useful comparison would be between Moerlen and Dennis Chambers and likewise between Peart and Portnoy.  

You are completely missing the point. It does not matter which name I would shout; I simply don't go ahead and shout ANY name all the time. I am not a fangirl, for no-one and nobody. On the contrary, I try to presnt new names all the time; just look at one of my recent posts in this thread

No, you are missing MY point, which is simply that your complaints about Peart's style have more to do with the very nature of the music he performs and its requirements and less with his own inflexibility. So, before you go on your habitual "correcting-Peart-fanboys" spree, you should first give Peart a fairer evaluation.

Your point is not true at all. Just listen to the Mani Neumeier example I posted in this thread; it is from the time when Guru Guru played hard prog.

I knew you would bring this up and no, the late 60s/early 70s kind of hard rock/heavy metal is completely different from Rush and has altogether different requirements.  The emphasis in the former was still on looseness and swing but the latter emphasises precision heavily and indeed at the expense of spontaneity.  Peart, however, is able to convey a lot of energy in doing so unlike many later drummers in the technical heavy rock/metal style.


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 10:35
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

 
I don't go around shouting "Merlen, Moerlen" all day, even if he is my favourite drummer; on the contrary, I always make a point of listing lots of comparatively unknown drummers, simply because they deserve it. 

Er, the point is they are simply different kinds of drummers playing different styles.  A more useful comparison would be between Moerlen and Dennis Chambers and likewise between Peart and Portnoy.  

You are completely missing the point. It does not matter which name I would shout; I simply don't go ahead and shout ANY name all the time. I am not a fangirl, for no-one and nobody. On the contrary, I try to presnt new names all the time; just look at one of my recent posts in this thread

No, you are missing MY point, which is simply that your complaints about Peart's style have more to do with the very nature of the music he performs and its requirements and less with his own inflexibility. So, before you go on your habitual "correcting-Peart-fanboys" spree, you should first give Peart a fairer evaluation.

Your point is not true at all. Just listen to the Mani Neumeier example I posted in this thread; it is from the time when Guru Guru played hard prog.

I knew you would bring this up and no, the late 60s/early 70s kind of hard rock/heavy metal is completely different from Rush and has altogether different requirements.  The emphasis in the former was still on looseness and swing but the latter emphasises precision heavily and indeed at the expense of spontaneity.  Peart, however, is able to convey a lot of energy in doing so unlike many later drummers in the technical heavy rock/metal style.

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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 12:35
I didn't realize one's opinions had to be egalitarian with the social aim of bringing attention to lesser known drummers. I just talk about music because I like it.

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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 14:19
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

I didn't realize one's opinions had to be egalitarian with the social aim of bringing attention to lesser known drummers. I just talk about music because I like it.

So do I. Which is why I mention lesser known drummers because they are very enjoyable to listen to indeed. Wghat has that to do wiith social aims? Your posts usually make sense, and I like to read them, but today you write a lot of nonsense.


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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 14:20
Made sense to me. More than any one of your posts.Ermm

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Posted By: Mercinski
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 15:25
I won't be original...

1 Carl Palmer
2 Neil Peart
3 Phil Collins
4 Bill Bruford
5 Robert Wyatt


Posted By: areazione
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 16:19
The ironic thing about this ever-lasting querelle is that I quite dislike Rush (I do hate Lee's castrated cat-screaming high-pitched eunuch-like voice) but still I appreciate Peart's drumming a lot.
I happened to watch his tutorial dvd, found it interesting, useful for a not professional drummer like myself: yet, in the end I realized that even though I reckon him as one of the greatest of all times, I would include, as I did and showed earlier on, other drummers in my pantheon.
That's my side of the story.


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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 16:21
Originally posted by areazione areazione wrote:

The ironic thing about this ever-lasting querelle is that I quite dislike Rush (I do hate Lee's castrated cat-screaming high-pitched eunuch-like voice) but still I appreciate Peart's drumming a lot.
I happened to watch his tutorial dvd, found it interesting, useful for a not professional drummer like myself: yet, in the end I realized that even though I reckon him as one of the greatest of all times, I would include, as I did and showed earlier on, other drummers in my pantheon.
That's my side of the story.

I think most people would have several prefered drummers. In fact in this thread no one has said that only Peart would be their choice. Which makes these attacks inexplicable. 


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Posted By: areazione
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 16:29
One thing I learnt in my whole life for sure:
"If you are keen on disputing about religion, politics, music and sport, prepare yourself for a harsh battle"
But that's what makes the challenge fascinating sometimes, if and only if it is worth spending time on it.
Otherwise, to Hell and Hades with that.


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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 16:41
^Amen to that.

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Posted By: MullMuzzler
Date Posted: January 11 2011 at 03:58
Bill Bruford
Virgil Donati
Rod Morgenstein
Carl Palmer
Mike Portnoy




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Posted By: pied piper
Date Posted: January 11 2011 at 04:12
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Peart is better than Collins though......

?!?

Dead


Posted By: Norman Kiddie
Date Posted: January 11 2011 at 09:44
TongueBilly Cobham
Gavin Harrison
John Bonham
Bill Bruford
John Marshall
Pierre Moerlen
Carl Palmer
I´m not very good at counting
 
 


Posted By: Norman Kiddie
Date Posted: January 11 2011 at 09:45
SmileBilly Cobham
John Bonham
Pierre Moerlen
Bill Bruford
Carl Palmer


Posted By: Tursake
Date Posted: January 11 2011 at 10:42
Originally posted by pied piper pied piper wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Peart is better than Collins though......

?!?

Dead
Of course he is, Peart is the best drummer of all time. Cool


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Posted By: RorroFloyd
Date Posted: January 11 2011 at 13:27
Gaving Harrison
Bill Bruford
Neil Peart Tongue
Nick Mason
Danny Carey

This list is completely subjective, right? There are some drummers that just click the right way for some people, I guess Peart is one of them. And Mason to me of course, perhaps leaving all the technical aspects aside, for me he just hits the right notes perfectly, just like the rest of the band.
Oh, and passionate idolizing is a beautiful thing... even if it looks ridiculous for the ones who don't feel the same way.


Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: January 11 2011 at 13:31
Originally posted by Tursake Tursake wrote:

Originally posted by pied piper pied piper wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Peart is better than Collins though......

?!?

Dead
Of course he is, Peart is the best drummer of all time. Cool

Peart, who else?


Posted By: Hello!Prog?
Date Posted: January 11 2011 at 14:06
Buddy Rich
Vinnie Colaiuta (Zappa)
Christian Vander (Magma)
Terry Bozzio (Zappa)
Gavin Harrison (Porcupine) Star


Posted By: check7
Date Posted: January 11 2011 at 14:32
Neil Peart
Mike Portnoy
Alex Holzwarth
Terry Bozzio
Virgil Donati


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Posted By: sydbarrett2010
Date Posted: January 11 2011 at 15:17
1. mike portnoy
2. gavin harrison
3. bill bruford
4. pat mastelotto
5. carl palmer


Posted By: KyleSchmidlin
Date Posted: January 11 2011 at 15:26
I can't believe nobody said Richard Coughlan.  Well, I could on any ordinary site, but this one's dedicated to prog - why not include the man who is, to me, the standout member of one of prog's premiere groups?
 
5. Phil Collins
4. John Weathers
3. Clive Bunker
2. Richard Coughlan
1. Bill Bruford



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