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Topic: Opinions on PunkPosted By: Rush77
Subject: Opinions on Punk
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 04:41
I was recently chatting with someone i know who enjoys prog rock like me and he brought up how punk rock was utter crap and destroyed the prog era. Granted that is true but i always wondered what other prog fans thought about punk past and present. Personally i never liked punk and thought it was utterly boring and crap but i would like to hear opinions from other people about the punk era in music.
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Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 04:52
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Posted By: Aunty Ethel
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 05:30
For me, punk was the first genre I discovered for myself, and it led on to the jazz-fusion and prog I listen to today. Still listen to punk though as I enjoy the energy and sense of fun it conveys.
Punk only 'killed' prog because prog had got so far up its own ass that the public themselves stopped liking it - it was a conscious public decision. It had become about standing around at gigs and having as little fun as possible. It's not in the slightest bit surprising it died when it did. It's why I love the metal influenced prog of today - it combines the compositional structures and technique of prog (in fact easily beats the technique of 70's prog) and combines it with the energy and fun ultimately passed down through punk via metal.
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 05:35
trye the Post punk band Killing Joke and then come back with a changed mind about what can be done with punk.
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 06:05
Punk did not kill prog. That is one of the oldest, and worse, urban myths in media representation of music. The very fact that we are discussing new prog bands on this site rather puts paid to that myth.
Punk was just like every other music genre. There was good and bad, although I personally found more of the latter than former. What made me tired of the whole thing, even as a young man then, was the commercialisation of the so called "angry generation" rising up against the nasty establishment and "shocking" polite society. It had been done many times before, will be done countless times in the future, and was, and still is, extremely tiresome, especially when you consider how much money art school idiots such as McLaren et al made out of it.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 06:47
Another punk discussion. I have better things to listen to.
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Posted By: Prog Geo
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 06:55
Slartibartfast wrote:
Another punk discussion. I have better things to listen to.
Exactly this.I don't like punk very much.
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 07:02
I very much like some UK Punk and more so New Wave of the late seventies. It was part of my experience in life. I have a fair bit of nostalgia with it. Sixth Form and Punk.
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 07:07
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 07:20
There's a fair amount of punk I like to be honest. It didn't kill prog. That's a popular media myth purpetuated by ageing music journos, who still think it's cool to make that claim.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 07:20
I do have some stuff that might be classified as punk related: PIL Compact Disc Early XTC The League Of Gentlemen But I think the musicianship is really too good for Punk.
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Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 07:21
Post and proto punk was good. Can't say the same for flat out punk though some of it is ok.
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 07:55
I like a lot of the precursors and outgrowths of punk, but I'm not much of a fan of the pure genre.
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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 08:09
Its ok, when in that mood, and as others said - some much better than the rest, as in any genre.
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 10:44
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
I like a lot of the precursors and outgrowths of punk, but I'm not much of a fan of the pure genre.
Ditto. I don't have strong opinions about the music form of punk but I do object to the premise - regardless of whether the bands themselves or the media forwarded it - that ambition is bad and complexity and sophistication is soulless. That's just a load of BS and it's unfortunate that a whole generation then seemed to buy into that readily. As for the comment on prog metal combining the best of prog and punk, actually I find it fails to capture the compositional intrigue of prog and the raw energy and aggression of punk or at least that metal music which punk spawned in the 80s. The best band to my mind that combined both rock and roll energy and ambition was Hawkwind. Of course, the media must have been too busy crucifying prog to notice where Lemmy got to from Hawkwind.
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 11:35
I don't think that's necessarily the ethos of punk. Of course journalist have pushed that story for decades now I guess, but it's really just a refocusing on more basic elements of music.
Minimalism did much the same thing, but lazy journalist described it in the same way. Of course if you listen to Einstien on the Beach and the words 'simple' and 'unambitious' come to mind, you probably have a brain tumor. Many journalists seem to have brain tumors.
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 11:45
what's utter crap is the continuing myth that punk destroyed prog
Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 12:05
I haven't dug too deeply into the world of punk music. I like Black Flag and Dead Kennedys. Pop punk I don't like, and I never understood the fascination with the Ramones.
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 12:23
Punk was a good starting point for young 'uns that would delve into more abstract/synthesized realms in the late 70s and early 80s. Unfortunately, some people never outgrew the shtick. There's nothing quite as goofy as an old punk playing the same three chords and wearing the same old uniform.
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 12:38
Post-punk is pretty good
I like this band
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
There's nothing quite as goofy as an old punk
playing the same three chords and wearing the same old uniform.
since when is AC/DC punk?
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 12:43
I am eternally grateful to punk for giving us the subsequent three decades of alternative rock, my favourite genre in music, but I don't listen to it and I don't think I'll ever will.
Posted By: spookytooth
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 12:45
I like a good amount of punk, and I certainly love it's offshoots like hardcore and post-punk very much. Some of the punk/hardcore/post-punk bands I listen to would be: Joy Division, Public Image Ltd., Wire, Television (Marquee Moon is one of my favorite albums ever), Discharge, The Exploited, Sub-Humans, and the list goes on...
Also going with other people on here: I absolutely can not stand that stupid myth of punk killing prog, and it's nice to see that most people on this site don't believe that garbage.
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 13:01
I can't stand most of it.
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 13:14
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
I like a lot of the precursors and outgrowths of punk, but I'm not much of a fan of the pure genre.
So much this.
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 14:00
spookytooth wrote:
I like a good amount of punk, and I certainly love it's offshoots like hardcore and post-punk very much. Some of the punk/hardcore/post-punk bands I listen to would be: Joy Division, Public Image Ltd., Wire, Television (Marquee Moon is one of my favorite albums ever), Discharge, The Exploited, Sub-Humans, and the list goes on...
Also going with other people on here: I absolutely can not stand that stupid myth of punk killing prog, and it's nice to see that most people on this site don't believe that garbage.
SubHumAns is a perfect example of how the whole movement outgrew itself. After being part of the "backlash", the need for stylistic growth had them bordering on progressive by the time "Worlds Apart" was released. The "backlash" had this spurious equation that musical talent=lack of inspiration that accentuated the early to mid-80's. But like SubHumans, much of the punk scene was "crossing over" to other genres. The crossover of punk to metal is one of the founding events of progmetal.
My favorite part of the myth is that punk is less pretentious than prog. Anyone who has ever watched the ritual application of the punk "uniform" will quickly realize that the bombastic element just moved from the stage to the crowd.
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 15:27
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
Punk was a good starting point for young 'uns that would delve into more abstract/synthesized realms in the late 70s and early 80s. Unfortunately, some people never outgrew the shtick. There's nothing quite as goofy as an old punk playing the same three chords and wearing the same old uniform.
up until recently there was a bloke who I would see walking round my home town wearing the whole punk uniform ,the spkiey hair/various pearcings/tight trousers etc. He was also about my age (coming up to 50) and with a pot belly
anyway Punk
When I was 15 I liked some of it.The Stranglers, Siouxsie and the Banshees,Sex Pistols even. Lots of energy and vitality. I was not quite getting Works Volume One, Wish You Were Here and Going For The One at the time so punk did have some hold over me. However I never took it that seriously and the whole boring New Wave scene that followed passed me by. Music just sank into some horrible abyss in the late seventies and early eighties which was about the time I started getting more interested in the seventies output of Genesis ,Yes,Mike Oldfield etc.
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 15:36
Padraic wrote:
what's utter crap is the continuing myth that punk destroyed prog
Indeed. Punk didn't stop Yes, Genesis, Jethro Tull, Pink Floyd, Marillion and Rush from going on to outsell all of their punk rivals in the 80's, long after punk had left the charts.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 15:49
Blacksword wrote:
Padraic wrote:
what's utter crap is the continuing myth that punk destroyed prog
Indeed. Punk didn't stop Yes, Genesis, Jethro Tull, Pink Floyd, Marillion and Rush from going on to outsell all of their punk rivals in the 80's, long after punk had left the charts.
It did have some affect though with promising new bands such as Lone Star and Be Bop Deluxe disbanding about that time.Rush had already had their breakthrough with 2112 while Marillion were the only post 80's prog band to sell significant quantities of albums. The others were just massive bands that were able to ride out the storm although even they had to adapt to some extent with both Genesis and Yes adpopting a more straight forward approach ,partly in answer to punk.Pink Floyds 'The Wall' was very much designed to incorporate punk ideas as well. No bands just sailed on serenely as if nothing had happened.
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 15:50
richardh wrote:
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
Punk was a good starting point for young 'uns that would delve into more abstract/synthesized realms in the late 70s and early 80s. Unfortunately, some people never outgrew the shtick. There's nothing quite as goofy as an old punk playing the same three chords and wearing the same old uniform.
up until recently there was a bloke who I would see walking round my home town wearing the whole punk uniform ,the spkiey hair/various pearcings/tight trousers etc. He was also about my age (coming up to 50) and with a pot belly
Yeah, I always cringe when I see people who look like this: You're so cool and rebellious, man, you'll look like a f**king idiot in 10 years wooooooooo
Anyway, I'm not a fan, although some punk influenced can be good, and I'll complain about the OP's assertion that punk killed prog too because it's necessary.
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Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 15:55
Stooge wrote:
I haven't dug too deeply into the world of punk music. I like Black Flag and Dead Kennedys. Pop punk I don't like, and I never understood the fascination with the Ramones.
Exactly! On all points.
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 16:11
There are some excellent bands like The Adicts (the Beatles of punk), The Misfits, Bad Brains (whose members played previously jazz-fusion !), Bérurier Noir, Ludwig von 88, Black Flag, TSOL, Minutemen, Hüsker Dü, Crass, Discharge ("protest and survive" is a great song !), Dropkick Murphys (irish punk), Dead Kennedys, GBH, killer ethyl, motörhead (debut album), Peter and the Test Tube Babies, sigue sigue sputnik (electro punk), atari teenage riot (techno punk), The Clash, The Stranglers, Stiff little fingers, The Adolescents, The meteors...
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Posted By: tarkus1980
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 16:13
Punk and post-punk are fine when they're good, and crap when they're not, same as prog.
Also, punk didn't kill prog. Prog killed prog.
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 16:35
It's yet another slight variation of 3 and 4 chord rock musically. Punk was a cultural movement as much or more than a musical one, just as emo is. Every 5 years or so adolescents will want to feel something unique culturally so they will reject and adapt. Prog was so 5 years ago in 1978. MTV was next, then metal, then grunge, yadayada... but for the most part, adolescents, being young, are going to pick relatively simple music that they can play themselves.
There's been plenty of great 3 chord rock tunes through the years. A few of them are punk. But most of them are really just as good as the energy of whoever is performing them at the time.
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Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: January 07 2011 at 22:03
I went through the phase like most everyone else who was a teenager in the mid-seventies. Mostly Dead Kennedys, Black Flag, Fear. I have a huge pile of punk cassettes dry-rotting in my attic today, but hardly ever listen to any of it. Gun Club was pretty good too and I play a couple of their albums once and a while.
There was also a later group of punk-inspired bands like the Dead Milkmen, Violent Femmes, Pogues, Camper van Beethoven and Flogging Molly that are still around, and some of them have put out some pretty decent music. Violent Femmes first album is a classic. I saw Camper van Beethoven live a couple years ago and they're pretty old, bitter and wasted but they put on a good show and took the time to autograph a vinyl copy of "Take the Skinheads Bowling" for one of my kids so props to them for that.
My favorite punk band ever was a regional group called the Larrys who toured around the midwest in the early eighties. I saw them a few times; once they finished the concert by asking the audience if they could crash at anyone's house because they were broke and had spent all the money for the show on beer. They had one song about meeting a girl by calling a "for a good time" number on a bathroom wall and falling in love. Pretty funny
I wonder what ever happened to those guys...
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 02:07
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
I don't think that's necessarily the ethos of punk. Of course journalist have pushed that story for decades now I guess, but it's really just a refocusing on more basic elements of music.
I don't indeed know and wouldn't want to comment on what was each band's ethos but I have heard the sort of thing I described a lot from punkheads, actually most rock fans who don't like prog in fact. I remember reading a review of Two Against Nature slamming Steely Dan's music in general rather than the album in question and suggesting that if not for punk, they would have had nothing to listen to for the intervening twenty years or so. Erm, if the only thing you can listen to is three chords played as loudly as possible, then Besides, why should a musician be obliged to subscribe to ONLY that ethos?
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 07:09
Steely Dan get slammed by proggers too.
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 07:23
harmonium.ro wrote:
Steely Dan get slammed by proggers too.
You mean just generally or for not being prog enough for PA?
Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 07:33
I'm more the post- and indie type of person.
Regarding the "punk killed Prog" phenomena, how can you kill something that was already lying dead on the floor? Punk merely kicked the prog-corpse. Which is not a nice thing to do. But then punk isn't nice so that's expected behaviour.
However, after the short but great post-punk years, punk and it's offspring (pun intended) became a pop and entertainment business. On the other hand, Prog got better again in the 90's and after all these years it is doing reasonably well, be it far removed from public sight.
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 08:26
spookytooth wrote:
I like a good amount of punk, and I certainly love it's offshoots like hardcore and post-punk very much. Some of the punk/hardcore/post-punk bands I listen to would be: Joy Division, Public Image Ltd., Wire, Television (Marquee Moon is one of my favorite albums ever), Discharge, The Exploited, Sub-Humans, and the list goes on...
Also going with other people on here: I absolutely can not stand that stupid myth of punk killing prog, and it's nice to see that most people on this site don't believe that garbage.
Agreed, the urban myth of Punk slaying Prog is getting tiresome and the mighty Television are one of the greatest things to have come out of New York (apart from Henry of course)
For me, the so-called post punk bands that I grew up listening to and loving (Cure, XTC, Banshees, Patti Smith, Talking Heads, Monochrome Set, Bunnymen, Joy Division, Magazine et al) only really appropriated economy and minimalism from Punk. Their music is a million miles away from the habitual buzzsaw rhetoric and calculated dumbness of the spit and gob merchants ain't it?
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 08:38
rogerthat wrote:
harmonium.ro wrote:
Steely Dan get slammed by proggers too.
You mean just generally or for not being prog enough for PA?
I don't know how the band is regarded in the prog community in general, as PA is the only prog place I've ever been in. But when they were added to PA (and a few times times after that), they got slammed as accessible in a kitschy way and commercial. I checked Aja because the comments intrigued me, and I agreed to a certain extent with the bashing. But I was a prog-snob back then and I don't know if I'd judge the same music in the same way now.
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 09:39
harmonium.ro wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
harmonium.ro wrote:
Steely Dan get slammed by proggers too.
You mean just generally or for not being prog enough for PA?
I don't know how the band is regarded in the prog community in general, as PA is the only prog place I've ever been in. But when they were added to PA (and a few times times after that), they got slammed as accessible in a kitschy way and commercial. I checked Aja because the comments intrigued me, and I agreed to a certain extent with the bashing. But I was a prog-snob back then and I don't know if I'd judge the same music in the same way now.
I think they were slammed more because people didn't feel they weren't bad and naturally sometimes people then go on to berate their music. In any case, that's beside the point. That review I mentioned slammed Steely Dan basically for making complex music that couldn't appeal to the layman or some such dubious justification ( I mean, they were quite commercially successful).
Posted By: yanch
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 09:46
I agree with all the comments that punk had nothing to do with the downfall of prog. Punk was a reaction to the times and that's fine by me. I've never been a particular fan of the genre with the exception of The Clash. There was something about their music that I connected with, so I do listen to them fairly regularly.
Posted By: Earendil
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 19:18
I enjoy some of the more creative punk like Devo, Flogging Molly, The Clash, Dresden Dolls, Sex Pistols but stuff like NOFX, The Misfits and Bad Brains is just not for me.
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: January 08 2011 at 19:31
I was there when it happened, punk didn't kill prog.
With the exception of a few artists, a lot of prog at that time wasn't very good and a lot of us were open to new stuff. A lot of early 80s west coast hardcore was great music, I still like it.
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: January 10 2011 at 01:07
trye this
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Posted By: A B Negative
Date Posted: January 11 2011 at 14:50
aginor wrote:
trye this
Superb! I went to see KJ a couple of months ago and they were tremendous.
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: January 11 2011 at 17:02
^
this is not punk.
But this is very good music.
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Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: January 11 2011 at 20:59
I don't dislike it for it's mythological assault on prog, I just dislike it because it's tasteless and poorly performed. Honestly, if a punk band plays in a not sloppy as hell fashion it doesn't sound like punk, it just sounds like pop music. On top of this I've never heard an entire genre so consistently depraved of feel and originality. That being said there are punk bands that are more towards usual rock (The Clash and whatnot) who, while too poppy for me, don't deserve to be grouped in with some of the garbage.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 11 2011 at 22:13
Easy Money wrote:
I was there when it happened, punk didn't kill prog.
With the exception of a few artists, a lot of prog at that time wasn't very good and a lot of us were open to new stuff. A lot of early 80s west coast hardcore was great music, I still like it.
As John said, Punk didn't kill Prog, the first Symphonic golden era was already in decline before the summer of 77 when Punk became a fashion.
ELP had almost split in 74, Genesis had lost Gabriel and started to loose fans, Relayer was the last Yes album for 3 years, Wakeman's career was full of ups and downs after Myths & Legends, even King Crimson vanished from 74 to 1981, few bands like Pink Floyd kept releasing quality albums.
The hippie generation (where Prog started) had already 28 or 30 years and were joining the system to work, and the new generation wanted something different, so a hiatus could be expected.
Plus lets be honest, classic Punk lasted too little to kill anybody, what came after 77 and 78 was anything but pure Punk, they blended with Pop to create New Wave and kept evolving but at the same time loosing their original violence and aggressiveness that made the Punk bands popular.
The real monster that devoured everything was Disco Music.
After a decade, Prog was back with bands as Anglagard and Par Lindh Project that rescued the golden era values while Punk kept changing to a point where ...well was not Punk anymore (At least in my opinion).
Iván
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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: January 11 2011 at 22:37
No, prog was back in the 80s with neo-prog bands like Marillion and IQ espousing crisp digital production values in addition to excellent musicianship. By the 90s, prog was truly dead as new bands like Anglagard decided to feebly imitate 70s methods and sounds. Absolutely regressive post-89 foolishness; no modern group has been able to produce anything except xerox copies or nonsensical antimusic.
Thankfully, classic artists like King Crimson and Marillion keep the fire burning!
Posted By: Tarquin Underspoon
Date Posted: January 11 2011 at 22:49
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
Thankfully, classic artists like King Crimson and Marillion keep the fire burning!
Well, at least one of them does.
As for punk? I don't much care for it, but I consider the new wave stuff from the late 70s very interesting and immeasurably important.
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 11 2011 at 22:56
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
No, prog was back in the 80s with neo-prog bands like Marillion and IQ espousing crisp digital production values in addition to excellent musicianship. By the 90s, prog was truly dead as new bands like Anglagard decided to feebly imitate 70s methods and sounds. Absolutely regressive post-89 foolishness; no modern group has been able to produce anything except xerox copies or nonsensical antimusic.
Thankfully, classic artists like King Crimson and Marillion keep the fire burning!
Of course Prog never went out completely, what I said is that in the 90's Prog came back with the same values as the ones in the golden era.
Neo Prog was a different form of Prog, as valid as early Symphonic but blended with mainstream, but the pure Prog with little if any mainstream influences came back with strength with bands like Anglagard and Par Lindh, who wrote and performed Prog in the vein of the pioneers.
Iván
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 12 2011 at 02:11
Punk was to some extent a lie anyway. The idea that bad musicians are better than good musicians is a fallacy. All the best punk musicians were at a decent level they just were'nt at the level of a Howe or Emerson.Therefore punk killed itself with an idea that simply couldn't be followed through on. Not everyone could just pick up an instrument and start a band.
New Wave was a sensible evolution of punk that didn't really have any axe to grind with prog. When you look at XTC,Siouxsie and The Banshees later stuff and The Police they certainly had things in common with prog even if they didn't have 20 min tracks with organ solos.
Posted By: Pastor Rex Cat
Date Posted: January 12 2011 at 22:38
Hey! Count me in too!
First punk album I owned was The Pretenders and not just because of the hit single Brass In Pocket, but it was The Plasmatics and The Sex Pistols who really made me a fan.
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Posted By: Seyo
Date Posted: January 13 2011 at 04:21
Punk was a progressive rock movement of the late 1970s. It progressed beyond the ideologically empty and excessively show-biz related mainstream rock of the time and opened up a vast space for new wave and post punk experimentation of the early 1980s, thus re-discovering a true artistic "prog" spirit of late 1960s.
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 13 2011 at 04:30
Pastor Rex Cat wrote:
Hey! Count me in too!
First punk album I owned was The Pretenders and not just because of the hit single Brass In Pocket, but it was The Plasmatics and The Sex Pistols who really made me a fan.
Posted By: seventhsojourn
Date Posted: January 13 2011 at 05:20
Snow Dog wrote:
Pastor Rex Cat wrote:
Hey! Count me in too!
First punk album I owned was The Pretenders and not just because of the hit single Brass In Pocket, but it was The Plasmatics and The Sex Pistols who really made me a fan.
The Pretenders.....Punk?
Not what I would call punk, but according to Wikipedia:
''Hynde, originally from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akron,_Ohio" rel="nofollow - Akron , Ohio, attended http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_University" rel="nofollow - Kent State University at the time of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings" rel="nofollow - Kent State shootings in 1970. She moved to London in 1973, working at the weekly music paper, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NME" rel="nofollow - NME , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretenders_%28band%29#cite_note-The_Great_Rock_Discography-0" rel="nofollow - [1] and at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_McLaren" rel="nofollow - Malcolm McLaren and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivienne_Westwood" rel="nofollow - Vivienne Westwood 's SEX store. She was involved with early versions of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Clash" rel="nofollow - The Clash and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Damned_%28band%29" rel="nofollow - The Damned ,''
Didn't know all that till today ... so maybe punk-related. While I'm here I might as well post this:
Posted By: holy ghost
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 09:20
Punk dominated all listening during my teen years and while I have a soft spot for some of it (especially Bad Brains, DRI, Misfits, Black Flag, Television, Finnish hardcore like Riistetyt, Larm, Heresy, Ripcord, BGK The Germs, Angry Samoans, X-Ray Spex, etc) it's something that I find so stagnant, mired in scene drama and generally dull at this point for me personally..... that being said I owe a lot to it turning me on to other great genres of music and some great times as a teenager, but I'm 99% skeptical when someone suggests I check out some contemporary band...... nothing wrong with "sounding exactly like _______" but don't expect me to purchase your record........
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 11:59
I'm going to have to stick a safety pin in one of my cheeks and get back to you. Maybe each cheek and my butt cheeks while I'm at it On second thought maybe not...
------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 13:26
holy ghost wrote:
Punk dominated all listening during my teen years and while I have a soft spot for some of it (especially Bad Brains, DRI, Misfits, Black Flag, Television, Finnish hardcore like Riistetyt, Larm, Heresy, Ripcord, BGK The Germs, Angry Samoans, X-Ray Spex, etc) it's something that I find so stagnant, mired in scene drama and generally dull at this point for me personally..... that being said I owe a lot to it turning me on to other great genres of music and some great times as a teenager, but I'm 99% skeptical when someone suggests I check out some contemporary band...... nothing wrong with "sounding exactly like _______" but don't expect me to purchase your record........
Funnily, that's what I could feel with metal nowadays. I would will never throw away my records of Iron Maiden, Napalm Death or Megadeth, but I'm not exactly stunned when I hear a band which sounds like, let's say, the old Sepultura or the old Helloween. On the other hand, I wonder if the contemporary spectrum of metal isn't more interesting than the contemporary spectrum of punk?
Posted By: holy ghost
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 14:12
CPicard wrote:
Funnily, that's what I could feel with metal nowadays. I would will never throw away my records of Iron Maiden, Napalm Death or Megadeth, but I'm not exactly stunned when I hear a band which sounds like, let's say, the old Sepultura or the old Helloween. On the other hand, I wonder if the contemporary spectrum of metal isn't more interesting than the contemporary spectrum of punk?
I think...... you look at metal-archives.com and they've got what, 50,000 bands on the database, and you're just like, forget it, but then you find something truly special like Reverend Bizarre, Negative Plane, Portal or Vektor (even if they're basically a straight up Voivod worship outfit ha ha) and there's a lot of great stuff out there..... but you have to filter through a lot of crap to find it....... with contemporary punk I haven't found anything in the last decade that makes me feel that same feeling when I first heard Pay To Cum or Horror Business....... but that's just me....... and breaking it down, I've been listening to metal for way longer than punk and I still find (some) elements of it exciting.........
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 21:03
holy ghost wrote:
CPicard wrote:
Funnily, that's what I could feel with metal nowadays. I would will never throw away my records of Iron Maiden, Napalm Death or Megadeth, but I'm not exactly stunned when I hear a band which sounds like, let's say, the old Sepultura or the old Helloween. On the other hand, I wonder if the contemporary spectrum of metal isn't more interesting than the contemporary spectrum of punk?
I think...... you look at metal-archives.com and they've got what, 50,000 bands on the database, and you're just like, forget it, but then you find something truly special like Reverend Bizarre, Negative Plane, Portal or Vektor (even if they're basically a straight up Voivod worship outfit ha ha) and there's a lot of great stuff out there..... but you have to filter through a lot of crap to find it....... with contemporary punk I haven't found anything in the last decade that makes me feel that same feeling when I first heard Pay To Cum or Horror Business....... but that's just me....... and breaking it down, I've been listening to metal for way longer than punk and I still find (some) elements of it exciting.........
That's exactly how I stopped checking up for new metal music. I just don't have the energy to sift through the imitators for the odd one or two good bands. Also, because metalheads tend to like the imitators (because, f*** it's metal), it makes it that much harder to get recommendations for better bands.