How can Genesis loose this ?!!

I don't get what the problem is. Dillinger are a good band, and I think, from what I've heard, Genesis are vastly overrated. However, don't feel I've heard enough material from either to vote. 

 

two bands from each own dacede that pushes the envelope of music and our perseption of what is persievd as music, in the 70s genesis were probably very chalanging in rock terms, in 00s dellinger E plan is challanging to the metal society

Yep. Just because they're two completely different bands (in sound), does not make it trolling. Hmm, this is quite difficult, but I probably haven't heard enough Genesis to vote.  

lol it's trolling because you don't like one of the bands being mentioned in the poll and are amazed that someone could enjoy them more than your classic bands? This isn't 2006 anymore. There's a lot of people here who could care less about classic prog. Members should start realizing that. 

There are two sides of Dillinger Escape Plan you need to take into consideration before you would be able to vote.

This side:

And this side:

Genesis.

 

Conversely, there are people interested in the original progressive movement who don't consider bands like The Dillinger Escape Plan, Protest the Hero or other Linda Blair/Exorcist banshees to be progressive rock bands at all. So I guess we're even.

Your definition of "progressive" is antiquated then.  It's kind of ironic you'd think that then because it seems to me that for the most part the prog dinosaur bands that are still around seem to be just rehashing a lot of old material or stuff that people have already been listening to for the last 40 years instead of actually trying to progress the nature of rock, which is what these up-and-coming extreme acts are doing.  No question about it.

 

"National Geographic here, in the wilds of Buffalo Arena, seeking the ever-dangerous vocalist of a death-symphonic-prog-mathcore-gothic-groove-power-speed metal band. Somewhere beyond the monotonous beats of a double bass drum, he lurks. Be careful with the camera, we don't want to disturb him in his natural habitat. Wait there he is...."

 

"ROW-ROWR-ROW-ROWR-ROW-ROW-ROWR"

 

"I can't make out the species because the human ear cannot detect a difference between one or the other growl. But we have a trained specialist who has listened to the same Opeth album 730 times in the space of a week in the basement of his parent's house."

 

WOW nice one racist. 

Haha, well that was an entertaining reply.  Though it still seems that everyone is falling back on the whole "growling" defense.  Get original, folks!

In response, yes, I can tell the difference between different people growling.  I could discern Mikael Akerfeldt's growls from Greg Puciato's roars from Tommy Rogers's screams from Brent Hinds's bellows.  They make sense to me, and to some people they don't.  Probably the same way you could be able to tell the difference between a warbly keyboard solo from Bill Bruford and one from Kerry Minnear when I couldn't.  That's fine bud, I get that they aren't for everyone, we've done this whole thing before.  Knocking the whole genre because of the singing is a pretty stupid thing to do, especially when the focus is on the rest of the music.

 

*Bows*

 

Thank you for a civil reply to my snarky commentary. At least you have a sense of humor. In regards to the "falling back on the whole 'growling' defense', it is an insurmountable wedge that drives me from these bands. I cannot listen to it. I find it campy and ridiculously over-the-top. It does nothing for the composition; in fact, it detracts from the music altogether. In addition, It is done by so many bands of so many "metal" genres as to utterly lack in originality (hence my questioning the entire "progressive" title of these bands).

 

A progression can be defined as moving away from accepted modes of operation, but the inane growling has been done for decades now; ergo, it is not original. And when you say, quite rightfully, that "the focus is on the rest of the music", I would say the stupid thing is that growling like Linda Blair possessed occurs so often in the compositions of these bands as to constitute an anchor that each of these performers drags around with them. It is an unnecessary impediment in what possibly might be a much larger group of fans listening to the music. Unfortunately, until this lunacy is ended and someone actually has the balls to break the mold and actually "progresses", then there will always be a gulf between us.

I hadn't thought of what you said about the growling being unoriginal, and you may be right on that, but that's also because it's a staple of metal.  It wouldn't be metal (well, sometimes) without the growls, any less than it would be symphonic prog without the Mellotron.  Some things are kind of essential to the music.

Also, more often than not, I think you'll find that for the good majority of the heavy bands on this website can effectively use both clean and harsh vocals to convey different moods.  Look at Opeth: Akerfeldt has a beautiful clean voice and they fit wonderfully with the clean passages in their music, but when they need to bring the rain with the heaviness, nothing else would work but a deep, guttural roar.  That's one of the cool things about progressive metal bands is that most of them realize that there is a purpose to these different stylings, unlike most metal bands who do growl just for the sake of the convention of growling.

Even then, for the most part the growling is just a textural thing with the music.  The growling is anchored around the music, not the other way around.  And metal isn't meant to be an accessible genre, the music is supposed to be challenging and difficult to listen to, but rewarding to the people who adapt to its stylings.

Well, to be fair, you could say the same thing about any style of singing. 

And everything you said has been your opinion. I fail to see your point.

 

You see, this is how it works: you give your opinion, I give mine. If our opinions are irreconcilable (as would be the case here, obviously), then we agree to disagree and move on. Or we could engage in a several post debate that may or may not be beneficial to anybody reading it. Usually, no one budges from their original premise, but it may be entertaining when colorful words get tossed about.

 

That is the only point of forums such as these.

 

Then you indeed have forum posting down to a science. Like this post, for instance:

 

Equality 7-2521 wrote: WOW nice one racist.

 

Yes, Akerfeldt has quite a nice voice when he actually chooses to sing. As for me, the guttural roars are so stereotypical of the entire genre and multiplicity of sub-genres that it invariably results in a roll of the eyes and  switching to the next song.

 

Thanks for the dialogue. You are passionate about your music. I just can't share that passion. 

Thanks...I was wondering what the racist comment was about.

I vote Dillinger. I like a handful of Genesis songs, but I've never really been a fan. Not a huge Dillinger fan either, but I really do love the  "One of Us is the Killer" album.

Genesis.