Can Vs Khan
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Topic: Can Vs Khan
Posted By: Morningrise
Subject: Can Vs Khan
Date Posted: May 22 2011 at 21:08
| The title is pretty self explanatory. Can or Khan? |
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: May 22 2011 at 22:12
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seems lopsided with a 1 to 12 studio album ratio .. still voted Khan  |
Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: May 22 2011 at 22:19
| Can |
Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: May 22 2011 at 22:43
| Never liked that Khan album as much as some do. Can is supposed to be pronounced "khan." |
Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: May 22 2011 at 22:47
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Can by a mile.
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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: May 22 2011 at 22:50
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Can!
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Posted By: Slaughternalia
Date Posted: May 23 2011 at 00:46
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Not a big krautrock fan, and I love Space Shanty, so... Khan.
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Posted By: friso
Date Posted: May 23 2011 at 01:58
| Khan sole album is one of my favorites, but Can is also a favorite band of mine. No vote. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: May 23 2011 at 02:11
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Never really cared for Khan. Can has some great stuff, albeit with some misses along the way.
Can, easy. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: The Wrinkler
Date Posted: May 23 2011 at 02:38
| This is hard. Yea, it's kind of unfair, because Khan only has one album, but Space Shanty is really good! One of my favorite albums. But Can is one of my favorite bands... I guess I'll go with no vote and just see the results. |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: May 23 2011 at 02:41
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I can only vote for Khan. ------------- 
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Posted By: cannon
Date Posted: May 23 2011 at 03:14
Monster Movie, Tago Mago, Ege Bamyasi, Future Days, Soon Over Babaluma,....
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Atavachron wrote:Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: May 23 2011 at 11:32
| Khan isn't Hillage's best (go for Gong, I say!) nor Stewart's (Hatfield/National Health) though it might represent their most accessible offering. Easy vote for the more incredible band - Can. |
Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: May 23 2011 at 12:04
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Since I only have one album by each, Khan's sole release of course and Tago Mago, I feel I can honestly compare the two. Can just does not impress me that much, but I think Khan was a brilliant band. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: May 23 2011 at 12:09
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: May 23 2011 at 12:17
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I actually like Khan better than any of Hillage or Stewart's other material. Something just clicked for that album. Easily my favorite Canterbury and one of my favorite prog albums period.
Tago Mago is the only Can I own. It's tedious at best for me. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: May 23 2011 at 12:22
Interesting. I will take Khan over any other Hillage (except some of Gong's best), but I will take pretty much every other Stewart related work over Khan. |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: May 23 2011 at 12:34
I Khan't say! Oh yes I can Can of course.
 I love them and I like Hillage and Gong a lot more than Khan.
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: May 23 2011 at 12:52
I love Stewart, Egg over NH and Hatfield, but still the Khan album seems the most musically coherent. Stewart's experimentation almost overwhelms some of his projects. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: May 23 2011 at 12:56
Interesting take. Care to elaborate? |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: May 23 2011 at 13:24
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When I first got the Khan album, the only artist I knew about was Hillage. But fairly quickly I began thinking that the keyboard work was just gorgeous. Maybe my favorite key work in all of prog, which is obviously saying something. But I never thought "Wow this guy is really technical." or anything regarding left-brain playing.
Most of the rest of Stewart's work I think like a musician, appreciating the choices, impressed with his prowess. I think I like Egg the most of the other Stewart material because they make no bones about the fact that they're just pushing the limits of experimentation for the sake of experimentation.
Some of the NH and Hatfield stuff is so fusion-y that again I'm thinking as a musician and a critic, amazed at the work but less emotionally moved.
The Khan album is remarkably easy to listen to but still has alot of odd time signatures, composed lines. It sounds like a big jam but it's so much more. First and foremost it's a spacey journey. It actually takes work for me to detach and analyze it. That's a good thing. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: May 23 2011 at 13:39
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Gotcha. I inquired further because I've never considered Dave to be a tremendously "experimental" guy; his compositions bear that out, I think; also because NH fell apart in part because most of the group wanted to go in an experimental "free" direction and Dave didn't want that. Agreed that Egg is the most experimental of the lot but I always thought that was mostly Mont Campbell's doing, although obviously Stewart had the capacity and inclination as a player to execute those concepts. I guess the other thing is compared to Henry Cow and some of my other favs these bands don't come across as too avant-garde.  |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: May 23 2011 at 13:56
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Egg can be experimental in almost prog-metal way. Intentionally odd time signatures. Angular but composed lines. It's the opposite of avant in many ways because it's calculated and math-y where most avant is free form and spontaneous.
It's an old schema but I think of music having both left and right brain components. Where Dream Theater is very left brain and say Ash Ra Tempel is far right. My favorite music pulls on both and Khan is a great example of that. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 23 2011 at 15:23
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Much as I enjoy Space Shanty, and it is a very nice album, choosing Can is a no-brainer for me.
------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: May 24 2011 at 08:04
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Khan .... no Khantest !
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Posted By: Mr Greeen Genes
Date Posted: May 24 2011 at 21:31
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CAN!!!!!
I'd like Khan a lot more if they had a different vocalist.
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Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: May 24 2011 at 22:10
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Haven't had the pleasure of hearing Khan yet so no vote. Love Can to pieces though. ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: Jazzywoman
Date Posted: May 27 2011 at 21:26
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I love both...but Can gets my vote. Way better musically for me, as I enjoy their music way more. ------------- 
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Posted By: QuestionableScum
Date Posted: May 27 2011 at 22:13
| Khan are good, but Can are great.. |
Posted By: jean-marie
Date Posted: May 29 2011 at 17:35
prefer can the can by Susy Quatro, ooops.... though i still was on the glitter rock Topic.........
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Posted By: MFP
Date Posted: June 04 2011 at 13:11
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Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: June 04 2011 at 15:33
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I never realize that the arch enemy of Captain Kirk had a recording contract. Can. |
Posted By: jean-marie
Date Posted: June 04 2011 at 20:41
| canned heat? |
Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: June 05 2011 at 10:20
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Khan's Space Shanty is very good, but hey - one album compared to the whole Can material ... |
Posted By: jean-marie
Date Posted: June 05 2011 at 16:51
| Fish Rising is quite better than Khan ( and Dave Stewart still is there),anyway any Hillage album is a bit better than Khan,it was a good beginning, no more |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 07 2011 at 18:37
Just a matter of taste, but I much preferred Space Shanty to Fish Rising. I was expecting to like Fish Rising much more than I did since I loved Space Shanty and Gong's Radio Gnome trilogy albums, plus albums by various musicians who performed on Fish Rising (great line-up). I also prefer Arzachel to Fish Rising. It has been a long time since I last listened to Fish Rising, so perhaps I would appreciate it more now. Some music I liked considerably on it, but at the time based on reviews, I was hoping for an album more along the lines of You meets Space Shanty. Ah well, chacun à son goût. . ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: jean-marie
Date Posted: June 07 2011 at 19:21
 The right sentence should be à chacun ses gouts
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 07 2011 at 20:17
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Not to get sid-tracked, but my Kobaian is rather better than my French, and that's not saying much, but I meant to write à chacun son gout, but I guess it does make more sense for it to be plural. It's seemed quite a commonly used phrase in my parts amongst English-speakers I've known, as is bon appétit, très chic, la plume de ma tante, voulez-vous couchez avec moi?, où est la (or le) Can [de ma tante]? etc. Back on topicish: Yes oui Can. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: jean-marie
Date Posted: June 08 2011 at 05:00
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Posted By: resurrection
Date Posted: June 08 2011 at 17:25
| Can |
Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: June 08 2011 at 17:58
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Can from Ege Bamyasi to Soon Over Babaluma is awesome. ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
Posted By: N-sz
Date Posted: June 08 2011 at 19:08
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Still need to get some Can. Too much stuff on my list at the moment to get, but Tago Mago will probably be up next soon. Space Shanty to me is one of those albums that I like too much to listen to often. Very beautiful I think. The best Canterbury that I've heard so far in my opinion. But I only have a few other Canterbury albums. Hatfield is another one I ought to get to know more about the subgenre. |
Posted By: antonyus
Date Posted: June 09 2011 at 07:02
| can by lightyearsss |
Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: June 10 2011 at 06:37
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Khan. ------------- https://gabebuller.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - New album! http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385 |
Posted By: Eria Tarka
Date Posted: January 08 2012 at 22:36
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Shace Shanty is one of my all-time favourites
I dont enjoy Kraut rock at all
Khan easily takes my vote.
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: January 08 2012 at 22:43
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Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: January 08 2012 at 23:26
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Even though Khan has both Steve Hillage and Dave Stewart, I'm not a big fan of the album. Can is awesome. Can get vote! ------------- There be dragons |
Posted By: Eria Tarka
Date Posted: December 27 2012 at 23:26
Man, I can't believe I said that
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Posted By: The Mystical
Date Posted: March 15 2013 at 08:29
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Khan. Space Shanty is a masterpiece. Mysterious and beautiful. ------------- I am currently digging: Hawkwind, Rare Bird, Gong, Tangerine Dream, Khan, Iron Butterfly, and all things canterbury and hard-psych. I also love jazz! Please drop me a message with album suggestions. |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: March 15 2013 at 08:32
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I'm sort of a noob to Can's music, but still have amassed quite a few pieces of their music lately and I think they blow Khan out of the airlock and leave it stranded on Ceti Alpha V. I actually found Space Shanty to be kind of dull in parts. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: March 15 2013 at 15:06
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I can't think of too many bands more interesting than Can. Seriously, say what you want, but those guys really set a palette for musicians to learn and absorb from. ------------- 
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