Horn or David?
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Topic: Horn or David?
Posted By: Gandalff
Subject: Horn or David?
Date Posted: July 14 2011 at 16:22
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Simple question. I know that Jon Anderson is essential vocalist and songwriter for Yes. But who´s really his more capable substitute, if we could talk this way? ------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
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Posted By: hobocamp
Date Posted: July 14 2011 at 18:46
| You're right. Jon simply cannot be replaced, only emulated. He had a keen sense of harmony and rhythm. I just don't know enough about these two to decide. I saw a Yes performance video once, and I had to look real hard to determine it wasn't Jon because it sounded exactly like him. I think it was Horn so I'll vote for him. |
Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: July 14 2011 at 18:48
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Drama is a better album than FFH, but I like Benoit's vocals more than Horn's. It doesn't really matter, though. Jon is irreplaceable. -------------  |
Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: July 14 2011 at 18:50
| don't want to pick from 2 low level choises .. |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: July 14 2011 at 18:52
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Trevor Horn's vocals were great on Drama!
Not sure this David Bubble...erm sorry Benoit David is up to that same power and vocal range ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: July 14 2011 at 18:56
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My hypothesis is that had Benoit David been the vocalist on Drama and Trevor Horn was the new guy for Fly From Here, a lot of people would prefer the former.
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Posted By: The-time-is-now
Date Posted: July 15 2011 at 06:32
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Horn as a beautiful voice, but David has a perfect one...
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: July 15 2011 at 07:04
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Chris Squire ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: July 15 2011 at 07:06
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I think Jimmy Sommerville has a voice similar enough, too. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: July 15 2011 at 07:36
| Trevor Horn has a perfectly good voice but not the range required for Yes (as evidenced by him going red in the face on the Drama tour). I haven't seen David live but I would give him the nod for having a greater range. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: July 15 2011 at 08:21
You must not have seen that video of David trying to sing the end of "Heart of the Sunrise." ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
chopper wrote:Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: July 15 2011 at 10:14
Agreed!!!! No matter who, they both come far behind Jon Anderson.
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: July 15 2011 at 10:58
I think you are absolutely right. Clearly, live, David is struggling like hell, but his performance on FFH is really very good. I know you like Drama, but I didn't like Horn either live or in the studio. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: July 15 2011 at 11:32
 ------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: July 15 2011 at 11:44
------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: July 15 2011 at 11:51
Actually, when Anderson left Yes after Big Generator, Squire, White & Rabin actively sought the services of Roger Hodgson as replacement vocalist. He said no, but did contribute writing which eventually ended up on Talk. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: July 15 2011 at 11:51
------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: July 15 2011 at 12:25
That was painful.  And that's one of the greatest moments in any Yes song, too. ------------- |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: July 15 2011 at 13:49
Chris Squire sings better than either Horn or David, and I like his voice better than Anderson's. So there.  ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: July 15 2011 at 19:03
------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: freudiana
Date Posted: July 15 2011 at 20:27
| Why couldn't Chris Squire be the lead vocalist of Yes if Jon Anderson isn't able to sing? He would be a lot better than hiring all of these would-be Jon Anderson clones. |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: July 16 2011 at 06:49
------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Posted By: yanch
Date Posted: July 16 2011 at 06:53
Interesting point, given he does sing on so many Yes songs. For this poll I go with Trevor Horn by a little over Benoit David.
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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: July 16 2011 at 06:54
Maybe he´s better than both singers, but he isn´t listed as main vocalist in Yes. That´s a fact. Maybe...it´s a pity. ------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: July 16 2011 at 07:06
OK guys, let´s imagine Chris Squire as a lead Yes vocalist. Then - who would sing backup vocals? Howe is obvious, Horn is currently additional studio member only. Downes and White aren´t able.
I think, in this case, Yes´s renowned vocals would be inevitably poorer.  ------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: July 16 2011 at 18:26
| Trevor |
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: July 16 2011 at 23:39
This, BUT I do really like Benoits´s vocals in Fly from here... also, I really like Fly from here! ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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Posted By: GypsyJoker
Date Posted: July 17 2011 at 00:08
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Having listened to some bootlegs of the Drama tour (especially the Boston gig(s)), it seems like Horn did as reasonable a job as could be expected; he wasn't that bad. David seems like a pretty good singer in his own right. My $0.02 (and probably worth no more than that)? Any failure of either guy is (at least in part) a failure of the band's brain trust (i.e. Howe & Squire). If your singer is struggling night after night, you have three alternatives: 1. Keep on plugging and letting the guy fail show after show. 2. Put the troublesome songs in a lower key so they're manageable. 3. Drop the troublesome songs from the set. Option 1 is obviously not recommended. If you're willing to give paying audiences inferior performances, then you deserve to fail; if you're willing to let your singer fall flat (or sharp) on his face, then maybe you need to rethink the situation. (Somewhere, Jon Anderson is watching that "Heart of the Sunrise" clip and muttering, "Told you so.") Option 2 should be the simplest. Most audience members won't care if you make adjustments to help the singer out, and many won't notice. If the high notes are too high, lower them. You can't make a trombone into Maynard Ferguson. Option 3 isn't horrible, either. We've all heard "Heart of the Sunrise" live; retiring it isn't going to be a huge loss (even if it's one of their best songs). Substitute something different ("To Be Over," say), shake up the setlist, and most hardcore Yes fans would love it. And the singer would, too. Of course, you could get a new singer. But that's trouble, too. (Next time, why not a female singer? Assuming there's a next time. Maybe Margot MacDonald's available.)
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: July 17 2011 at 00:45
^ Also YT can highlight the worst of the worst....so maybe the guy was just having an off night or had a cold. Maybe ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Ruby900
Date Posted: July 17 2011 at 01:39
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Well having watched and listened to Benoît trying to sing HOS, I've gone from thinking he a rather dull voice, to thinking rather less of him - very embarrasing indeed! Back to the poll I went fromTrevor Horn, but has to be said that like a lot of people on here for me Anderson is without any peer - nobody comes close, and also like many on here I'd prefer to Squire anyday! ------------- "I always say that it’s about breaking the rules. But the secret of breaking rules in a way that works is understanding what the rules are in the first place". Rick Wakeman |
Posted By: progforever
Date Posted: July 17 2011 at 19:47
| i will vote for my local guy... Benoit !!! |
Posted By: esky
Date Posted: July 18 2011 at 16:50
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I'll go with Horn because he and Downes were brave enough to step into Anderson's and wakeman's rather sizeable shoes during a highly scrutinized and pivotal point in the band's lineup history. David is only sitting in a big, reliable, comfy armchair. The pair should have been good for at least another album for their audacity. |
Posted By: Dr. Occulator
Date Posted: July 19 2011 at 19:03
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Benoit David is a much better singer than Horn ever was. Horn admitted not being able to sing all of Anderson's repertoire while David can and does so with his own distinct voice!
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 04:13
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David is the better singer in my opinion. He doesn't strain so much on the high notes.
Horn is better off in the control room, behind the glass, where he invariably does a fine job. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: leadsynt
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 05:25
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When I first heard David, probably not paying very much attention, I thought he was good enough to replace Jon Anderson, or at least enough confident with the toughest passages, and I thought also it was a good thing to revive some songs from Drama, for too long ignored since Jon has never done us the favor to sing a note of something he wasn't involved with. But David in this last tour has shown all his limits, I really couldn't decide who plays worse Jon Anderson's part. In studio, Trevor Horn was perfect for the Drama songs. But the real challenge is to sing live and to sing all the classic Yes set list, if one wants to be the lead singer of Yes. But none of the two can. ------------- "Jon Anderson is the only guy who is trying to save this planet while living on another (Rick Wakeman)" |
Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: July 22 2011 at 04:19
Oh my god! How embarrassingly awful. Downes as well as David. He missed all of his keyboard cues, and didn't seem to notice or care. Howe's face at 9:05 says it all. ------------- http://www.thefreshfilmblog.com/" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: July 22 2011 at 04:33
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Posted By: The Mystical
Date Posted: August 26 2013 at 08:32
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Trevor Horn was a worthy addition to the Yes line-up, and he too to the helm of Yes for one of their greatest albums...DRAMA ------------- I am currently digging: Hawkwind, Rare Bird, Gong, Tangerine Dream, Khan, Iron Butterfly, and all things canterbury and hard-psych. I also love jazz! Please drop me a message with album suggestions. |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: August 26 2013 at 12:49
Go Ben!  ------------- |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: August 26 2013 at 16:01
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Trevor Horn... Love Drama and he did a great job live...though the concert promoters expected a big drop off in ticket sales for the Drama tour. Yes went from 2 nights at the Oakland Arena on the Tormato tour to 1 night at the SF Cow Palace on the Drama tour. Here's a couple Buggley shots I took at the SF Cow Palace show...   ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: August 27 2013 at 00:45
| I absolutely worship DRAMA, and I enjoy the 2 Buggles albums from that time so, yeah, ol' Trev gets my vote. Not dissing Benoit in the slightest BTW. |
Posted By: mongofa
Date Posted: August 27 2013 at 01:07
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Yes have gotten very suborn in their old age ------------- 
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: August 27 2013 at 04:59
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Both are ok. Not great and not within a mile of Anderson obviously.
Horn is a better pop singer. His performances in the Buggles were better than those in Yes. The Buggles songs were less demanding vocally. Horn to me sounds like a backing singer, not a lead vocalist. David sounds like the singer in a tribute band...oh wait! Horn is at his best when twiddling nobs... ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: August 27 2013 at 07:27
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: August 27 2013 at 07:28
That definitely calls for an "ooh er missus".
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Posted By: JeanFrame
Date Posted: August 27 2013 at 11:32
| Trevor Horn; but based more on all-round talent than just vocal ability |