What Is a Masterpiece of Progressive ?
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Topic: What Is a Masterpiece of Progressive ?
Posted By: trackstoni
Subject: What Is a Masterpiece of Progressive ?
Date Posted: July 15 2011 at 19:05
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How can we tell about a Masterpiece of Progressive music , and is it fair to rate all these albums , the undiscovered ones i mean , the way we're doing now , and do you believe that some albums are really rated unfairly !! if yes , is the answer , what is the best way to rate an album instead of rating it , from members only . and do you believe that musicians & non musicians can rate or review any specific album the same way ! since i've been a member in Progarchives , i've seen the same 10 albums in the top of the list , so , do you believe it's fair that Close to the Edge , Thick as a Brick , Selling England are Masterpieces , but some other albums aren't even on the top 100 ! in your opinion , is there's any other way to be more accurate in the ratings of these albums , or we have only to take what's already has been done for many years ! ------------- Tracking Tracks of Rock |
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Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: July 15 2011 at 19:07
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The definition changes from person to person, really hard to pin down exactly what makes a masterpiece. I think it has to do with the emotion that is put into the piece of music.
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: July 15 2011 at 19:37
When you say 'rated unfairly' do you mean that an album with an overall rating of say 3 stars, but you deem to be 5 stars, is indicative of insincere reviews? (and vice versa but I don't think you are) You also seem to imply that a musicians review should carry greater weight than a non-musicians? We can only measure accurately how much we like or dislike an album, we cannot measure something that doesn't exist i.e. how 'good' it is You are correct that there are avowed 'masterpieces of progressive rock' that will never get near the top 10 albums list but that's simply down to the popularity of any given artist. I'm sure you would agree that it could be considered fanciful to expect the arts to assemble themselves into something approaching your own vision of a meritocracy? ------------- 
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trackstoni wrote:Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: July 15 2011 at 19:45
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I suspect that you have some favorite albums that are not highly placed in the top 100. That's the case with me as well, and is probably the same for most of us. The top albums in the list are the ones that have received the most ratings and/or reviews, so they are not merely great albums, they are also popular as well. This is the way of top lists - they often represent the most common denominators. In this case, these are albums most of us are familiar with and represent the foundations of Prog. Personally, it would gratify me to see one of my favorite bands ever, Jade Warrior, even in the listings, but alas, they are not that well known (but for those who know them, they tend to be rated very high). How do you tell a masterpiece is so? Precedent. Listen to samples, if available. Look at what people say about it. No matter what, you still have to listen to it and decide for yourself. Then you can add your opinion to the mix. If the album is brand new, then you get to set the tone with your own reviews. It can get frustrating sometimes but it can also lead to real revelations. I have bought albums based on glowing reviews on this site, only to be disappointed with them. On the other hand, I have also discovered some real gems I would not have known about without having come to the Archives. Lists, like reviews are mere guidelines, maps as it were. No map, however, is the real territory. There is no substitute to listening yourself. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: m2thek
Date Posted: July 15 2011 at 20:20
| I think some of it must be objective though. It's not just a coincidence that the top 10 get 5-star reviews everyday. Sure, there are some people who don't like them, but you're never going to get 100% of the reviewers to feel the same way (conversely, an album widely regarded as bad will likely have a few people who like it a lot). People throw around the word overrated a lot for these kind of albums, but generally when so many people like something, there's a pretty good reason for it. |
Posted By: Slaughternalia
Date Posted: July 15 2011 at 21:08
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I struggled to understand most of your post, but...
I don't think there is a better way. The general consensus approach works well enough. ------------- I'm so mad that you enjoy a certain combination of noises that I don't |
Posted By: friso
Date Posted: July 16 2011 at 04:08
| This thing the poster just made a problem of, isn't a problem at all. It's important not to make something out of the PA top 100 it is not. There's complete transparency about how the list is created and what it can be used for. |
Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: July 16 2011 at 05:05
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: July 16 2011 at 06:45
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There's precious little objective about articulating your preferences so finding one universal, fair way to assign the masterpiece rating is impossible. What reviewers can and should do in general and not just on this website is to describe what things swung the rating towards masterpiece for them and follow fairly consistent patterns in the manner in which they rate albums. Yes, that necessarily means you have to give a better reason than you like it. You likely wouldn't give it five stars otherwise, duh, so what made you hold it in such high regard, that's what I like to get out of reviews. |
Posted By: sydbarrett2010
Date Posted: July 16 2011 at 07:02
| i think it has to do with how much the music in the album teaches you about progressive music and the emotions that The Truth said of course but technique is more important so i think in the court of the crimson king should be on top here not close to the edge IMO |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 16 2011 at 07:21
I can't define pornography but I know it when I see it.  I'm kind of leery about elevating anything to that pedestal. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: rdtprog
Date Posted: July 16 2011 at 07:25
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1- a album that don't have much more than 1 or 2 weak tracks 2- a album that reach a wide range of prog rock muscic lover 3- a album that is still interesting over the years 4- a album that is oustanding from a artistic perspective I think the ratings system is quite accurate here because it has more meanings when there is more ratings. Normally, classing albums have more ratings. People prefer rate albums that they like, and it could be a good start to check the ratings of a album before acutally listen to it. I don't think there is a lot of albums that deserves a five stars that are not on the top 100 list. But in the other hand, if i had to listen to only masterpiece's album i wouldn't listen to a lot of music. |
Posted By: ergaster
Date Posted: July 16 2011 at 07:33
I think there is both: we are all here because we all, at some level, understand what we mean by "prog" (even if we can't completely describe it) and why we love that genre. That means there must be representative examples of it, and that is why (I think) the same albums keep coming out on top: these are what we paleontologists call the "type specimens", with which all other potential taxon members are compared (if only implicitly). /geek  Then there is the subjective part, because we are all individuals. As a personal example, I objectively understand why Dark Side of the Moon is considered an epitome of progressive music, but subjectively I have never liked it much. It doesn't set off any of those emotions, responses and feelings that my personal favourite prog albums do (such as Wish You Were Here). To me, it's all very slick and smooth and shiny, with no substance to speak of. Masterpieces fall in the intersection between subjective and objective. I know why DSoM is considered a masterpiece by so many, and objectively I have to agree. But to me, it is no such thing. ------------- We have done the impossible, and that makes us mighty. Captain Malcolm Reynolds Reality rules, Honor the truth Chemist99a R.I.P. |
Posted By: rdtprog
Date Posted: July 16 2011 at 07:47
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I would compare Mastepiece to what we call the "Absolute", meaning not relative or comparative or subject to any limitations, but the irony is that this "Absolute" could not exist without human individuals. So this Absolute is relative...
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Posted By: Oliverum
Date Posted: July 16 2011 at 08:00
We all have our own masterpieces, I think. That's the beauty of it. When reviewing you can always say that THIS band has achieved something great no matter how unknown the album is. And by contributing with your opinion you have helped the band more than any place on the ladder can do. PA top 100 is just a cumulative effort. Actually, what makes me wonder is how much are ratings affected by the average age and location of the majority of the PA user base?  Every generation have its own bands, it is said. So I would suspect even PA top 100 will change significantly in the future years...
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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: July 16 2011 at 08:19
| I don't think you can come with a system that would be better, since there will be faults into any other way of doing it. I have a way to rate music that's a little different than the one used in PA, but I don't think it's better, and I'm sure if I present it to everyone, I would find some people who like it, and others who disagree. PA system is fine, and as somebody mentioned before, it's just a map, a guide, something to give you a reference point to music, not the absolute truth. |
Posted By: Revert
Date Posted: July 16 2011 at 08:29
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Music is subjective. If you think an album is great then it is. If someone else thinks an album is a masterpiece and you don't. It still is to that person at least. Beauty is in the eye(or ear in this case) of the beholder. I don't like Linkin Park for example, yet they still manage to sell out stadiums. Does that mean i'm wrong. Hell no, they suck. haha
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: July 16 2011 at 09:21
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I think it is a very slippery slope, when one gets too focused on the top lists, and starts wondering why that one magnificent record one loves so dearly, isnīt there. It isnīt to say, that it doesnīt belong there, but when you start falling in the pedestal trap, like a lot of people do - also outside PA, the music suddenly turns into some kind of sport. Like the Idols show and what have you not, where music is treated like a tournament, and the ones who usually win, is the kind of person who can sing a billion notes - emulate Mariah Carey down to the t, and furthermore looks like a barbie-doll. How would the music scene today have looked like, if things were the same back when Bob Dylan, Lou Reed, Neil Young, David Bowie and a truckload of other respected artists started out? None of those mentioned were really singers, in fact you could call them anti-singers compared to the sport singers of today, but they had something unique - and ideas that helped spawn most of what we hear today. They wouldnīt have chance in hell today, if weīd treat them the same way we treat those in Idols. If we start treating music like you see a lot of television shows do at the moment - they are doing this in Scandinavia as well, - Iīm afraid the future will have no Dylans, Yes, Bowies, Floyds - no real progress and imagination or whatever... I am not saying the prog scene resembles that scenario yet, although we have our fair share of polls and suspicious threads evolving around the "greatest", but if we are not careful - the music we love so dearly, will take us down that sporty road and become something quantifiable and something you can award a gold medal. This is of course exaggerating a bit, but the key point here is: there are no the greatest - nothing thatīs the best, or something along those lines. Thereīs a lot of music in PA, which I think rival the top 100, but yet are no way near it. Thatīs because these albums are obscure, and didnīt have the success like Close to the Edge or Dark side of the Moon. The one thing you can do, and for me this is the whole reason of being here, - is to write reviews about music you think others should hear - or you might think has gotten a bad rep, or maybe it is just unfairly obscure. Please donīt turn music into sports! ------------- The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: July 16 2011 at 10:44
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For me a masterpiece is simply an album that blows me away in some manner.There are different ways that an album can do that but that's my criteria. If i went with the attitude that it has to be flawless in order to give 5 stars then i wouldn't have any 5 star records because i can find something about my favourite albums that i'd change.
I'm a music fan not a critic so that might have something to do with my rating system. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: July 16 2011 at 11:03
the closest i can think of is Jeff Buckley who was up their with the Bowies and Dylans, had the tallent and the carracther of a newer artist. almost until he sadly passed away, ' But one can only guess where he would have been today if he had lived after the succes of Grace, and the possible unkown future carear he would have had now... one never know... -------------  
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: July 16 2011 at 11:10
Well said and agree with much of this. However, rock per se has become more of a technical sport with less emphasis on composition so sooner or later, what we call prog will go down that road too. |
Posted By: rdtprog
Date Posted: July 16 2011 at 11:16
That's the whole point of having those discussions. All the Poll stuff about TOP Albums, is a just a game to start a discussion about the music we love. There is some bands that are not in the Top 100 and should be there, and i know it's important to let others discover those bands, but it doesn't mean that we're taking the "sporty road". We are in a world of competition, numbers but deep inside of us we have the real feeling of what's is a masterpiece. It's not perfection, it's someting close that move you emotionally. Or as someone has just said, that "blows you away" |
Posted By: cannon
Date Posted: July 16 2011 at 13:50
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I think some musicians think that thier ratings and critic are worth more weight than people who are not. Here's an anology I use to disqualify that thinking: Some of the best hockey coaches and analysts never played the game, played only minor hockey or never made the "big time".
I also find some musicians(they let us know numerous times that they are) reviews are way too long, pompous, ostentatious and repetitive. Besides this is the internet, are they really what they say are(?).
If you noticed I only said some. I don't think this case for most musicians.
I tend not to read reviews that are long, relatively speaking.
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Posted By: wilmon91
Date Posted: July 16 2011 at 16:04
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Wikipedia helped me out in answering this. It is a "creation that has been given much critical praise, especially one that is considered the greatest work of a person's career or to a work of outstanding creativity, skill or workmanship."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masterpiece" rel="nofollow - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masterpiece
It also tells how the word was originally used, which was interesting. ------------- http://www.lastfm.se/user/wilmon91" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: July 16 2011 at 22:38
I find that portion highlighted in blue arbitrary and irrelevant, and especially so for rock music. If rock critics were at all serious and could be taken seriously, then maybe. But the next portion of the sentence makes perfect sense. |
Posted By: JS19
Date Posted: July 17 2011 at 03:39
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I think it's an album that you don't just enjoy, but stirs something else inside you when you listen to it. That's why I think the 'masterpiece' tag is personally subjective. ------------- 
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Posted By: King Manuel
Date Posted: July 17 2011 at 05:40
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For me it is an album that after listening to it for some odd 20 years regularly it still amazes me everytime I listen to it again. For me tho e albums are Dream Theater -When dream and day unite, Yes - Close to the edge and Van der Graaf Generator -Pawn Hearts. ------------- Don't Bore Us, Get To The Chorus |
Posted By: wilmon91
Date Posted: July 17 2011 at 05:56
Yeah, i agree - It doesn't work with pop/rock orientated music, or "new" music, it's more valid for classical,more than 50 years old music. But the use of the word "masterpiece" has probably been something that's generally agreed upon, not just one persons opinion.
"Magnum opus" is similar, ("largest, and perhaps the best, greatest, most popular, or most renowned achievement ") but there can be several masterpieces but only one "magnum opus".
I think "Masterpiece" is an old fashioned term and doesn't fit perfectly to rock orientated music. ------------- http://www.lastfm.se/user/wilmon91" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: July 17 2011 at 06:36
Yeah, this is what I am driving it, rock audiences are too fragmented for me to attach much importance to consensus in establishing what is a masterpiece. I do rely on such top 100 albums list only because there is more probability of such albums being really good than if I rely on one person's opinion but in rock/pop, using critical opinion or general consensus to decide what is a masterpiece can sometimes be misleading. And...
I agree completely.
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: July 17 2011 at 09:58
For instance, Robert Christgau, who has crowned himself "dean" of rock critics, routinely rates progessive rock albums (even in the genre's prime in the early 70s) with C and D ratings. If you look at the Top 500 Albums Of All Time by Rolling Stone Magazine (perhaps the most viewed list on the Internet, which I won't even link here), you won't find any prog in the top 100 except some Pink Floyd thrown in (The Wall at #87 and DSotM at #43), and Tull (certainly my favorite band) has one album at #337 (Aqualung). I didn't see any Genesis, King Crimson or Yes albums at all (although I only did a quick skim, as I was getting physically ill).
Also, another New York based firm, Time Magazine's ALL-TIME 100 Albums... http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1955625,00.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1955625,00.html has no prog whatsoever, not even Floyd in the 70s! It's as if progressive rock never existed. Ever.
So, Prog Archives is on a thin raft in a great big ocean of bloated opinion where progressive rock does not even come up on the map. What we may consider "masterpieces" does not even register in the soulless collective of corporate critique. It is mystifying, certainly, that so much great music is routinely ignored, while rap albums receive accolades, but that is the state of music (or what is purported to be music - drum machines, mangled ebonic poetry and sequences are not music to me).
I will get down from my soap box now.  http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/0,28757,1955625,00.html" rel="nofollow - ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: trackstoni
Date Posted: July 17 2011 at 11:13
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Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: July 17 2011 at 13:27
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It's 2011. Do people still need to have the objective/subjective argument? Everybody knows that music is only ever going to be personal opinion. Why do we need so many threads to come to this conclusion? ------------- http://www.thefreshfilmblog.com/" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: rdtprog
Date Posted: July 17 2011 at 14:21
So you fall again in the obejecte/subjective argument... |
Posted By: jean-marie
Date Posted: July 17 2011 at 14:52
| it's right all those albums you talked about are in the top 100 but many albums would deserve to be in , 666 for instance should have to be in the top 100.....but it's not the case...... i think ther's kind of problem..... |
Posted By: Slaughternalia
Date Posted: July 17 2011 at 15:18
True. If most of Progarchives thinks it's a masterpiece, then there you go. It's not like you're not allowed to disagree with it ------------- I'm so mad that you enjoy a certain combination of noises that I don't |
Posted By: prog4evr
Date Posted: July 17 2011 at 23:24
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Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: July 18 2011 at 03:45
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Posted By: Infinity
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 08:31
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Aside from the 'many' angles you can look at this at the very least it's a good opportunity to say get out there and listen to and review, rate, whatever albusm you consider deserve attention.....it's all about communication/information....otherwise take polls, charts, 'masterpiece' lists with some degree of a pinch of salt....that said, I think prog archives overview of let's just say most notable prog records is fairly accurate.....in terms of being a relevant and good guide.....most of us know there's tons more to delve into but you either don't issue a top 100 or lists of that ilk or you try to give a good guide....
there's so much information on the site I actually find it pretty admirabel the attention/review/discussion so many bands/records do receive...
It's kind of like reading a personal review...do you read it and remember it's objective or do you take it as underlining or overriding your own opinion...it's all just ongoing information...
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 09:08
Music is personal opinion? I wouldn't define it that way.  -------------------------------- One's taste is subjective, but one can objectively analyse qualities of music within a framework. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 10:18
You're wrong. Objective analysis would be "This song has a guitar in it". That's not an opinion. ------------- http://www.thefreshfilmblog.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 10:33
I'm wrong? One cannot objectively analyse the qualities (i.e. properties) of music within a framework? Sorry, but I don't understand your argument against my statement. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 11:22
You can name them, that's it. Analysis requires some kind of opinion I'm sure. ------------- http://www.thefreshfilmblog.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 14:14
One can use analysis (say qualitative analysis) to determine the elements which does not require the analyser's opinion (though one might say that opinion helped to form the gfrawewok, guidelines. standards/ procedure). For instance, one might be given a vial of some substance to analyse to determine composition, is the result based on the scientist's opinion? With music one might use analysis of the sounds to determine which instruments are being used, how much opinion is required to do so? One might apply a given framework of analysis that was developed by others, and opinion may well have played an important part in developing the framework, but the one using it need not apply their own opinions to the procedure. Also, I'd say that the quality of a performance can be judged without the judger resorting to personal opinion. For instance, two pianists are asked to play Ligeti's Devil's Staircase as an entrance exam to a music school. The teacher gives them the music to play: The first who has only started playing piano and is still trying to master Mary Has a Little Lamb played with one hand, misses all the notes, and can't even read the music, whereas the second plays it. One is the more skilled pianist, and I do believe that one can objectively say that is is the better pianist. Performance is a component of music, and I don't think it can all be about opinion. One person may prefer the newbie trying the Ligeti, but I would think if that person knows something about music that that person would recognise that one performance is superior (within the framework of the piece). I would say that one's exjoyment of music comes down to one's taste, but there's much more to music (understanding it, for instance, and being knowledgable about music theory) than personal opinion. "Everybody knows that music is only ever going to be personal opinion" is a strange statement. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 14:28
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^ Your last paragraph talks about accuracy, not quality. Sorry to be pedantic, but quality, by definition (referring to how good or bad a thing is) can only be subjective. Quality against a pre-determined framework.... perhaps less so, but as you said, the framework of quality itself can be disagreed with by anyone, because it isn't factual. So it all comes back to opinion, whether it's mine, yours, the music teacher's, the students', the audience's, the Ligeti scholar's, or Ligeti's himself. In any case, the practical meaning of my 'strange statement' in this context, really isn't strange at all. On PA, people review music, and I never have seen, and probably never will see, a totally objective review. If someone wrote one, I bet it would be of no use to anyone anyway. Can you objectively analyse sound? This is a question that is beyond my level of understanding (and interest). You may be able to provide an answer to it, but that's philosophy, and in the practical world, and certainly in this thread that we've veered off of on such a wide tangent, what I said is true. ------------- http://www.thefreshfilmblog.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 14:37
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There are machines that can analyse sound within set parameters, but how they do it does depend on how it's set up to do so (so one can say that biases are inherent to the nature of the program). It's an interesting topic to me. and it's not just philosophy, it's science. Level of accuracy is a quality (factor) of the performance, and can be analysed in a largely objective fashion, subjectivity can also play a part. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 14:38
Now you've completely lost my attention. ------------- http://www.thefreshfilmblog.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: rdtprog
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 14:58
Music is science?  You can judge the quality of a perfomance scientifically , but how can you see what's separate a masterpiece of music from what's not a masterpiece? |
Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 15:12
As a musician, I can see how the concepts of rhythm and pitch, etc, are a science. I'm not sure what Logan's talking about though. ------------- http://www.thefreshfilmblog.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 15:17
I never said that music is science, but there is a science of music, and one can use science to analyse components of music. That was said in regards to analysing sound (for instance, frequencies). As for your question, while on-topic, it is not quite the concept I was exploring. It relates, though, because I believe that one can judge music (specific elements) within a given framework without losing all objectivity. Performance is but one element of music, but I find it an easy one to convey the idea of how music can be fairly considered better than another within set expectations. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 15:38
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What is a Masterpiece of Progressive? I'm not sure, but it would have to involve Mellotrons.
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Posted By: rdtprog
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 15:46
Yes, good point!, maybe in favor of Logan the " Science Man ", i think the sound of a cd is a important factor on the quality level, and those mellotrons sound are so seductive... if not addictive.... |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 22:17
I understand what Logan is driving at here but the words "qualtitative analysis" are misleading because they seem to imply it being a controlled and objective process, like analysis of a rigidly scientific nature, which it is not because it's art and is concerned with expression which is in itself very subjective. But it is true that some opinions are generally speaking more valid than others. I cannot quantify said validity but I am intuitively aware of it and trust the opinions of those who sound more well informed and 'experienced' to me. I would trust what my father says about Western music about as much as what some of you folks might say about Indian music.  Jokes apart, I guess we all do that but probably feel it is politically incorrect to say we judge or rely on other people's views on music, that's all. I would generally trust what a singer has to say about a vocal performance than the views of what somebody who I know is not very knowledgable about singing. These things however cannot be set in stone and are not hard and fast or factual and there may be times when I infer unreasonable bias or prejudice in the opinion of someone who is normally very erudite about a style of music or a band, as applicable. At the same time, we do rely on judgment for a lot of things and we do value the judgment of more experienced and intelligent persons in life so there's nothing wrong whatsoever in doing so in music too.
In a nutshell, yes, generally speaking, it does tell me a lot about what, say, some schoolkid knows about rock if he says he likes the Limp Bizkit version of Behind Blue Eyes more than The Who's original rendition. Yes, he is indeed entitled to his opinion because it's a free world but such a statement also tells me a lot about his tastes and I form my own impressions based on it. Again, this may not be politically correct but this is what most of us do and it's a practical approach. And the exception to this example is the kid may be biased about Who but may actually be quite well aware of rock music, so should I learn of this, I would revise my judgment. Obviously, one has to be flexible and open minded in these matters because it is based on how much information you have about a person (which may be incomplete) and it is a mistake to expect that such judgments would be cast in stone and irreversible.
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 08:24
 .......This is a great statement! I find a sarcastic humour within it. It's very true for me personally. |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 08:45
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In a Glass House is to me a materpiece but it does not feature Mellotrons,
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Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 09:55
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Planet Mellotron says GG stopped using them just before this album. Do you know why? I think Glass House might have been even better with some 'tron. ------------- http://www.thefreshfilmblog.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 14:23
IAGH was supposed to have featured a Mellotron, but their M400 was in the shoppe at the time.....something about a pint of stout spilt onto the tape rack from what I've read....
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Posted By: jean-marie
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 16:49
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 17:26
What Is a Masterpiece of Progressive ?Progressive what? -------------   
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Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: July 24 2011 at 20:22
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I don't think a masterpiece of anything can be determined without a passage of time. The impact of a piece of music is different over time--especially emotionally. If the impact remains high (goosebumps, mood alteration, attention-grabbing, etc.) over time, then a piece can be determined to have "mastery" over me and the things that seem to continue to bring me value. Having said this, I believe an album should not be able to qualify for ranking lists until it has been reviewed (not just rated) over 100 times and until it has been available to the public for at least six months. ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: luhuanhuan
Date Posted: August 29 2011 at 22:35
Wow, talk about commitment. Glad it's so great for you!
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Posted By: Formentera Lady
Date Posted: August 30 2011 at 01:31
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