A Poll For Those Who Know After Crying
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Topic: A Poll For Those Who Know After Crying
Posted By: Morningrise
Subject: A Poll For Those Who Know After Crying
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 12:27
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Welcome to another round of the Post 70's World Cup!
For this one and only occasion I've decided to change the title of the poll.
I figured out that naming it Porcupine Tree vs. After Crying would attract lots of PT fanboys who might not even know there's a band called After Crying, and yet vote for their much beloved band.
In order to at least try to avoid in part this unfair situation, with this change of title I'm trying to narrow the voters into:
- Those who know After Crying
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- Those who without knowing them were curious enough to see what this poll was about
Besides, those who are familiar with the hungarian band are much likely to have heard Porcupine Tree, so I don't think this is unfair for Steven Wilson's band.
Anyway, I still think PT will take over this poll easily, nevermind the way it was set.
I know I might get a lot of s**t for this, but what the hell, let's spice up things a little bit.
World Cup so far:
 Deadline for this poll: November 1st
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 12:37
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What are After Crying best 2 albums? ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 12:37
Plenty members unfamiliar with one of the two bands were reasonable enough to say that they will not vote. Up to now, many (if not all) of the bands advanced based on the scoreline on top, without any means of telling who were all the ones voting, what they voted, why they voted that or how fair their reasoning was, so I don't see why bother now.
The first two. ------------- 
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Horizons wrote:Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 12:43
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Porcupine Tree for me. After Crying's first two albums are excellent but PT is one of my all time favs. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 13:23
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I don't much care for After Crying, so...
------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 16:28
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Even if I love the early PT, After Crying are one of my all time fav bands. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 16:30
I'd say all of them, but I have a little preference for De Profundis and Megalazzottag. Also Overnight Music is a good choice. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 17:09
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Tough one. I like both bands, but I'll give the edge to Porcupine Tree for the variety of styles in their whole catalogue. ------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!! |
Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 18:06
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Wow. Interesting results so far. Perhaps this is skewing the poll in favor of AC? Also, no vote from me. I don't know AC. -------------  |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 18:07
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Yea i'm not sure if this was such a great idea.
I understand completely where Morningrise is coming from though. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 18:17
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I love both band's music, though quite different (although both developed and changed their sound throughout the years). I'll give my vote to After Crying. ------------- http://hangingsounds.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow - Hanging Sounds http://www.progarchives.com/ProgRockShopping.asp" rel="nofollow - PA Index of prog music vendors |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 18:50
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After Crying for me. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 18:52
I agree. I would also toss a vote to their live album Struggle For Life which is wonderful as well. (And works as a good compliation of AC, at least of their middle/late period) ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 19:03
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Yeah, I think this is a bit unfair. I understand why Morningrise did this, but I think it's making it even more unfair than if it was normal. Also, for the record, I think it's annoying how PT monopolizes so many polls. ------------- |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 20:29
To me this is just wrong,it's tainted the whole process. Okay this is from a PT fanboy sure but this isn't fair at all.
------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: Kazza3
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 21:24
| I love AC, but PT should probably win, really. No vote. |
Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 00:51
Definitely worded the wrong way. It should've said PT vs. After Crying like the other posts. People don't even know this is part of the same post 70's championship  ------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!! |
Posted By: Atoms
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 01:32
| I don't really mind thid decision, if Porcupine Tree falls out of the polls, everything would become so much more interesting, however, it might end up with Dream Theater just walking throught the rest of the matches. I don't really mind PT or DT winning this, but it would be far more interesting if they didn't make it to the finals. |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 07:29
I dont know AC's music and normally I wouldnt vote, but I'm voting for AC anyway just in the vain hope that someone can knock out PT.
------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 08:22
This is really thankless work, a creating of polls, isn't it? If Morningrise would make a poll named "Porcupine Tree vs. After Crying", the winner would be quite obvious but many complainers would advert to unfair contest. In this case, there is a bunch of another complainers who see a kind of favouritism behind it. So, what to choose? ------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Posted By: silverpot
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 09:47
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The fun thing with these polls is that they give me the incentive to check out artists I've never heard of before. I'm listening to AC right now, quite good, methinks. |
Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 10:23
I agree, but it still is unfair. ------------- |
Posted By: Siloportem
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 11:02
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All imho: It would be more fair if this had been done from the beginning. With each poll title mentioning only the underdog. Ofcourse the knowledge would quickly spread among the frequent visitors of pa. Now it just seems like favouritism. ------------- Thanks !! Your topics always so good and informative. I like you talk. |
Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 12:28
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I'm aware of what I've done and I knew this wouldn't seem right to a lot of people. But try to understand that I didn't want a poll where voters knew only 1 of the competitors. That was even more unfair to my eyes. At the moment the poll is 14-12 in favour of After Crying and I'm pretty sure that all the people who voted knew both contestants. Is that favoritism? I don't think so.
If I had done this the way I had been doing it, the scoreboard probably would have shown a massive victory of Porcupine Tree filled with meaningless votes of people interested only on PT reaching the finals.
I didn't do this before because it occured to me just recently, and I figured out that the only match that would need this idea would be this one. The monster versus the total underdog.
To those who still think this is unfair, you could post something in one of the old polls of the tournament to make people realise that the competition is taking place on this current poll. I could not prevent that.
Finally, try to understand that running a poll for 5 months and counting can be a little boring, and innovation sometimes is needed.
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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 12:32
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If Porcupine Tree loses.... I will not be able stop laughing. But PT for me. AC is great, but they're not PT. ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: GentleGiant
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 12:48
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AC
------------- BeGiantForADay "This British band is just the cup of tea for aficionados who demand virtuosity,progress and originality in their mix." http://rateyourmusic.com/~GentleG |
Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 12:54
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It would be kind of cool is PT doesn't advance, because I thought from the beginning that they would win the whole competition.
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Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 12:59
To be honest, I didn't think After Crying would be winning.
What I wonder is the reaction of people on the next match, when they see that Porcupine Tree has already played.
So far the people on this poll have been very polite, even when they didn't agree with what I've done. But if Porcupine Tree finally is eliminated, my god, I won't be able to make another poll on PA ever again
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Posted By: Atoms
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 13:31
One thing that occured to me just now, are you hoping for DT to win it all?
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Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 13:47
If you want to know if I do have a favorite, look at my nickname and think again. Anyway, I don't think DT will go much further, as they have as much detractors as fans. They had trouble beating Talk Talk, whom I love, but is not a strong opponent in my opinion.
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 13:59
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Porcupine Tree. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: DanthraX
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 14:06
This is so true, thanks to the tournament I've discovered Anekdoten, Gazpacho, Oceansize, The Tangent, Porcupine Tree (not really ;) ) and many more which I didn't heard before... Anyways, I don't like After Crying very much so I'll go with almighty PT... ------------- I look up, I'm almost blinded by the warmth of what's inside me and the taste that's in my soul, but I'm dead inside as I stand alone... |
Posted By: Atoms
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 14:42
I'm quite bad at Opeth (even if I have seen them live 3 times and another upcoming concert) so I didn't know that they have an album called Morning Rise. Now I do. I could take the opportunity and ask for a good 2nd album to buy by them, I have Still Life (and it was good enough to get me to go and see them 3 times). So... what's your recomendation?
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 14:54
I'm glad you like Oceansize! They're great.  ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 14:58
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After Crying without Doubt. Porecupine Tree is one of the most boring bands I ever listened,. only more entertaining than Camel. Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 15:33
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When I first saw this thread, all I saw was "A Poll for Those Who Know..." and I thought it was a Cynic-themed poll. ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 16:11
Blackwater Park, My Arms Your Hearse or Morningrise...if you liked Still Life you can't go wrong with any of them.
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Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 19:49
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Just in case...
Porcupine Tree has the tiebreaker.
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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 20:08
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Not surprising. ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 20:27
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^ I know it's obvious, but not specifying this kind of things will end up in people reminding me that I should have done that. Even when I explained several times how the tiebreaker works.
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Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 23:16
Yeah, I just don't feel like doing it myself...  ------------- |
Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 07:23
| Last day to vote. |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 08:38
| PT here. |
Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 09:17
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dude...... I almost totally skipped this poll because of the title I know After Crying , but I was not interested in a poll about various After Crying albums or songs or whatever then when I get in I find out this is the big tournament !! talk about hiding this round so no one can find it!! I voted for PTree btw ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 11:02
Once I close this poll I'll probably change the title to the usual one. Just to prove 2 points: 1- After I do that I'm sure there will be a flood of votes for PT. 2- Lots of people don't read what's happening on these polls. They are mere clickers. |
Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 11:08
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you are having fun. I can see that But you are also totally ruining what was a really good tournament.... I'm not sure you are proving point number 2 above either but whatever ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 11:11
| ^ I don't think so. This is probably the poll with most objective results. No fanboyism whatsoever.Just people voting for their favorites. And its results are turning out to be far more interesting than if I had done it the other way |
Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 11:12
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this is a poll of people that are interesting in After Crying not all of P A big difference ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 11:14
Agreed ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 11:18
People who know After Crying, also know Porcupine Tree, and half of them voted for the latter. But it's ok. Perhaps I've touched a nerve with my "proving points" comment. If so, I'm sorry to anyone who felt attacked, and I won't do what I'd say I will. |
Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 11:27
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I reviewed on one of After Crying's albums and gave it a 4 star so I am mildly interested in them but what about the people who know After Crying and don't like them at all.... why would they click on this poll?? those people have no idea this poll is part of the tournament.... so their votes are not being counted ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 11:40
As I said before, I knew this wouldn't seem right to a lot of people. I'm aware this is not completely fair and I understand your reasons. But still, I think that naming this poll Porcupine Tree vs. After Crying would attract a much larger number of people who don't know After Crying, and vote anyway for PT than the ones who are being left out because they don't like After Crying. |
Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 11:44
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whatever dude to me this just proves that you don't like PT and don't want them to win ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 12:03
| You're soooo wrong. I voted for them. I own 7 PT albums, the last Blackfield release, and both Steven Wilson's albums. I'm just following my convictions and doing what I think it's fair. It's just a different point of view from yours. |
Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 12:08
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sure... fair... let's have a poll of people who know ( and like ) AC and see if they like PT more or not almost any band would lose to any obscure band if the poll was rigged this way but whatever ... you want to ruin your tournament.,.... go ahead ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 12:29
Let's try that out. ------------- |
Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 12:34
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I don't see it that way. But I guess we will go round in circles on this discussion. I honestly don't care who wins this competition. I just enjoy the process of making it, the debates and things like that. I surely do have favorites, but it won't matter a lot to me if Opeth is eliminated by The Tangent on the next round. If that happens, well, I'm sorry for them. I also thought it was a good idea to innovate a little just for a change. Obviously, you didn't think the same |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 13:09
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After this poll closes and you rename the title, I just bet that there will be a complete landslide of PT votes. I also bet most of them will be from people that have never heard After Crying, but since most of them also wont post, there's no way to prove it. Sticking the unknown underdog against the steamroller that is PT, who have gained the most votes in just about every poll they've ever been in on this site for the last 5 years, was always going to end up with a foregone conclusion within a few hours of the poll opening. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: Warthur
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 13:51
| Porker-Pine tree for me. |
Posted By: Lynx33
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 15:35
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Though I'm Hungarian, I've have never really liked AC having known them since their very first album. I'm not a big fan of PT either but I like Coma Divine, Sunday Life, Transmission IV and Voyage 34 (Original version). So PT got my vote.
------------- Mindez elmúlt. Ma már tudom köszönteni a szépséget. |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 15:53
For Those About To Prog (We Salute You)! ------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 16:38
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Would everyone please STOP WHINING SO MUCH? It's a poll on the internet for fun, it's not the end of the world. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Salty_Jon" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 16:51
Amen to that.
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Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 17:07
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Posted By: MoodyRush
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 17:39
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Would someone post some of After Crying's best songs? Might as well for us who don't know them very well. ------------- Follow me down to the valley below. Moonlight is bleeding from out of your soul. -Lazarus |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 17:59
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Just a couple...
------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Siloportem
Date Posted: November 01 2011 at 02:22
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In defense of the whiners. They would not whine if they did not care. Anyone feel like starting a similar poll where bands can only participate if their number of ratings is below a maximum. That way only underdogs participate. Or some mathematicaly inclined could invent a system that handicaps popular bands. Something like 3 votes for Porcupine Tree equal 1 for After Crying. Allow me to apologize for any past & future whining from myself. You're doing a great job. Chapeau! If fun is the purpose than this is achieved. ------------- Thanks !! Your topics always so good and informative. I like you talk. |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: November 01 2011 at 02:49
Oh! Just one more day of whining!
I'm curious who will win in this strange tug-of-war! ------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: November 01 2011 at 07:21
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well ... now thanks to Anthony's poll we know that Hoyry-Kone is more popular than Genesis with people that are interested in a Hoyry-Kone poll This is interesting .... no doubt.... but does not tell us the whole story..... does it?? ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: November 01 2011 at 07:29
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Poll's over. Porcupine Tree 24- After Crying 23 |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: November 01 2011 at 07:33
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I hope I've introduced somebody to the After Crying. For those who have liked them let me suggest the Czech "Collegium Musicum" and the Romanian Phoenix , too. There's a lot of hidden treasures behind the iron curtain. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: November 01 2011 at 07:43
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Wow, entirely missed this poll. I thought Morningrise was on vacation. ------------- -------someone please tell him to delete this line, he looks like a noob------- I don't have an unnatural obsession with Disney Princesses, I have a fourteen year old daughter and coping mechanisms. |
Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: November 01 2011 at 08:33
The experiment lasted only 10 hours, with just 14 votes and a difference of only 2 for Hoyry Kone. That's not very representative. Anyway, Porcupine Tree advanced to the next round, so I guess that people interested in an After Crying poll still prefered Porcupine Tree over them. Fushta!! (those who have seen Dracula: Dead And Loving It might understand this last word ) |
Posted By: Lark the Starless
Date Posted: November 01 2011 at 10:37
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Jeez, digdug, calm the f***k down
Your precious PT ended up passing anyway. ------------- 
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Posted By: JS19
Date Posted: November 01 2011 at 18:44
| You assumed that everyone who's heard After Crying has also heard PT, even though you changed the title to nullify non-objectivity, you just skewed the poll in a different way. |
Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: November 02 2011 at 09:26
I like PT for sure, but the whole idea of running a tournament with the same standard title in approx 29 of 30 of the polls and a totally different title that just happens to include one of the favourites to win the tournament strikes me as unfair. I would have voiced the same opinion even if the band being singled out was one I didn't like If PT would have been eliminated, then the tournament would have been ruined, because you never would know who should have won. The same could be said if Opeth was singled out. The tournament would be ruined..... which would be sad..... even though I don't like Opeth ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: Prog Geo
Date Posted: November 02 2011 at 14:24
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PT! But After crying are great.
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