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Topic: ERRORS THREAD Report Errors and Omissions Here
Posted By: Snow Dog
Subject: ERRORS THREAD Report Errors and Omissions Here
Date Posted: November 13 2011 at 08:47
The team has decided to implement having reporting of all errors here in this thread, rather than start a new one for every case. So from here on, please report all errors and omissions here. 

One cannot now start a new thread in this zone!!!

Please provide links to any errors reported.

Video, weblinks, dupilcated entries and album covers will still be reported in their own threads 

Here are the links to those threads
 
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36282" rel="nofollow - Album Covers  

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=59458" rel="nofollow - Duplicated Entries 

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38565" rel="nofollow - Reporting Videos  
 
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23188" rel="nofollow - Band Website Links





Have a nice day.


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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 14 2011 at 11:27
Ok, who is first up?

Can someone sticky this please?


Posted By: Eumeria
Date Posted: November 15 2011 at 12:51
Hi there,

Thanks so much for recently adding Eumeria to prog archives.

Would it be possible just to make a few changes to the biography?

http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=6866" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=6866

Eumeria was founded collaboratively (by Bobby, Reece and Jonny) in 2009 rather than just Bobby alone. Would be great if the biography reflected this.

Thanks a lot guys - great site by the way.

Eumeria


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 15 2011 at 12:55
I will modify it.

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 15 2011 at 13:05
done

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Posted By: tupan
Date Posted: November 17 2011 at 10:49
My error... I added the single Opalescence, from Psychocean, as a studio album:  ../album.asp?id=35410" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=35410

Ouch




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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 17 2011 at 11:14
Originally posted by tupan tupan wrote:

My error... I added the single Opalescence, from Psychocean, as a studio album:  ../album.asp?id=35410" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=35410

Ouch



I already fixed it after your first report. No need to report twice!LOL


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Posted By: Cesar Inca
Date Posted: November 18 2011 at 11:40
Thank you for this new resource - I'm certain it will make things a lot easier for all of us.
 
Regards from Lima.


Posted By: Cesar Inca
Date Posted: November 18 2011 at 12:02

HI E&O FRIENDS, THIS IS CÉSAR INCA.

 

It is my fault about the Sur Oculto’s 2001 album cover in ProgArchives. Someone swiftly attended my request concerning the aforementioned album cover image, and that was good, but I posted the wrong link, and that’s my bad!!

 

Here http://www.conexionunder.com/content/photos/generated/4/3044_250-400.jpg" rel="nofollow - http://www.conexionunder.com/content/photos/generated/4/3044_250-400.jpg or here  http://images.socialplan.com/eee58081cdee4337_a12657477f433272_r.jpg or here   http://redaccion351.com/wp-content/themes/Yen/timthumb.php?src=http://redaccion351.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/PORTADA-disco-SUR-OCULTO.jpg&h=200&w=305&zc=1" rel="nofollow - http://redaccion351.com/wp-content/themes/Yen/timthumb.php?src=http://redaccion351.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/PORTADA-disco-SUR-OCULTO.jpg&h=200&w=305&zc=1 you can get the proper cover image for Sur Oculto’s eponymous third album, released just a couple of months ago. Pick any of these images.

 

Thank you in advance for your attention.



Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 18 2011 at 12:07
Done...thanks!


Posted By: AMCKen
Date Posted: November 18 2011 at 13:51
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=3275

Album title should read '...Universes', not 'Universe'. I went to the edit page but the title is apparently not editable. : )


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 18 2011 at 14:01
Originally posted by AMCKen AMCKen wrote:

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=3275

Album title should read '...Universes', not 'Universe'. I went to the edit page but the title is apparently not editable. : )
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done.


Posted By: Cesar Inca
Date Posted: November 18 2011 at 15:19
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Done...thanks!
 
Thanks to you! All with the purpose of disseminating the most beautiful form of rock ever done!


Posted By: tupan
Date Posted: November 19 2011 at 15:54
"Reporting Videos" thread is locked.

So I will report here that there's repeated videos on Primus profile: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1831#videos" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1831#videos


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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: November 19 2011 at 15:57
^ Thanks for reporting (both issues). 


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 19 2011 at 15:59
This and the dupilicates thread were locked in error. And I forgot you were Admin Harm I just reported to Angelo

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 19 2011 at 16:01
This one seems to have come unstuck..can someone stick it?

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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 19 2011 at 16:06
Q: What's brown and sticky?
A: A Stick.

I stickied it before, and don't know why it is now unstuck.  I'll sticky it again, and if anyone has a problem with that, don't hesitate to stick it to me.

EDIT: Was already stickied when I posted just now.



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Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: November 19 2011 at 16:06
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

This [Video Reporting] and the dupilicates thread were locked in error. ... I just reported to Angelo
Thanks, both are open now.


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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 19 2011 at 16:08
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Q: What's brown and sticky?
A: A Stick.

I stickied it before, and don't know why it is now unstuck.  I'll sticky it again, and if anyone has a problem with that, don't hesitate to stick it to me.



You have the power too? Good to know.Smile


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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 19 2011 at 16:13
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Q: What's brown and sticky?
A: A Stick.

I stickied it before, and don't know why it is now unstuck.  I'll sticky it again, and if anyone has a problem with that, don't hesitate to stick it to me.



You have the power too? Good to know.Smile


Yeah, I have for a couple of years now I think, but I prefer to keep a low profile. The admin get all the glory, and hopefully most of the complaints too. ;)


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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: November 19 2011 at 17:23
Moderators have power only in the forum, though. Or at least that's how it works at MMA.

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Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: November 30 2011 at 16:48

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=33731" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=33731

Just food for your thoughts, 23 minutes, studio album or this category ?


Official Singles, EPs, Fan Club & Promo (CD, EP/LP, MC, Digital Media Download)



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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 30 2011 at 17:02
Depends how the artist considers it. It's quite short I agree.

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Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: November 30 2011 at 18:01

That's it where I was confused, if artist is the capacity here, or if we will alter his/her/their decision by our rules (if such rules exist). It is short, but so is the Patchwork:

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=3934

Even it is 30 minutes long (but 9 of these is live version song, which tend to be longer than studio versions of the same song under the normal conditions).


Just some food for night thoughts :)



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Even my


Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: December 03 2011 at 15:11
PARSONS BAND, ALAN 

PARSONS PROJECT, ALAN


I am curious if they should remain like that, filled under P. I thought that switching Last for First name is done only for artist names - personal names. While there is Alan's name in this artist name, these words "band" and "project" hints it should be taken as any other artist name - filled under A.

If we had artist Alan Parsons (and nothing more), it would be OK for me to have him under P - Parsons, Alan, but band and project words breaks this rule I think. Because when you have artist with only two names (or three in special cases - including middle name), you switch first with second, do the complete opposite, turn them all around. But with "Parsons, Alan Project", the result is somehow weird. Unnatural, wrong.


At least that how it sounds to me.



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Even my


Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: December 03 2011 at 20:41
I agree, it's more logical to put them under A, but I'm afraid people used to see him under P.

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Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: December 04 2011 at 04:38

^ Actually, my first thought was to look him up under P, because I saw Parsons, but then (in a next second), I clicked on A, because I thought about it quickly and reached (also quick) conclusion that Project word dispels it.

It reminds me when I first tried to look "A Piedi Nudi" under P, thinking that "A" is like English article Tongue.



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Even my


Posted By: refugee
Date Posted: December 04 2011 at 14:00
I hope this is the right place to post it: In the bio of the band Fuchsia Mervyn is spelled Mervin:

http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2585" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2585

It’s not a big deal, but it would still be nice to spell the name correctly. (I think Ian knows very well why I post this!)


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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 04 2011 at 14:24
Originally posted by refugee refugee wrote:

I hope this is the right place to post it: In the bio of the band Fuchsia Mervyn is spelled Mervin:

http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2585" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2585

It’s not a big deal, but it would still be nice to spell the name correctly. (I think Ian knows very well why I post this!)

I do and I fixed it


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Posted By: refugee
Date Posted: December 04 2011 at 14:46
Thanks!

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Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: December 08 2011 at 03:13

Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

I agree, it's more logical to put them under A, but I'm afraid people used to see him under P.

Sleepy


Shall we proceed somehow, or leave it as it is ?

When I think about mentioned A PIEDI NUDI, isn't "A" article, like "the" ? But we don't switch the order, so it's filled under A, probably because it is from language other than English.



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Even my


Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: December 08 2011 at 04:02
Marthy, A PIEDI NUDI means "without shoes" ("bos" in Czech, if I'm right), they should stay under A.

As for Alan Parsons, I propose to ask admins' opinion.


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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: December 08 2011 at 05:46
Don't mind this post, moved it to the right thread.


Posted By: Luca Pacchiarini
Date Posted: December 08 2011 at 07:17
There are spelling mistakes in the tracklist of the omonimous SAINT JUST album.
 
 
1. Il Fiume Inondo (10:43)
2. Il riveglio (6:16)
3. Dolci Momenti (3:16)
4. Una Bambina (8:02)
5. Trister Peota di Corte (6:19)
6. Saint Just (3:58)

Correct names;
 
1. Il Fiume Inondò (the accent is very important in Italian)
2.. Il Risveglio ("Awakening")
5. Triste Poeta Di Corte (sad poet of court)


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 08 2011 at 08:07
^ A link  to the album is also very helpful. As it is i will fix it later.

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 08 2011 at 09:18
Done.

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Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 05:59
Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

Marthy, A PIEDI NUDI means "without shoes" ("bos" in Czech, if I'm right), they should stay under A.

As for Alan Parsons, I propose to ask admins' opinion.

True, it's "bos", barefoot if I'm correct (Snowy, help there?). As I am no expert on Italian grammar, this was just a wild guess, but curious example for me, so I mentioned it.


So the "a" in question doesn't work like English "a" and is not an article ? But then we get people who are used to "A" being an article and would look for the band under "P", as Piedi Nudi, A. It is not right, but who knows how people think in that way.


By the way, I use "ALL" letters list and just search for band I need Smile



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Even my


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 06:05
Fellow team members. I don't want to appear ill tempered, but this thread is for reporting errors. All this discussion should really take place in our own team thread.

Agreed?Smile


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Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 06:31
Absolutely, Ian. Smile

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Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 15:35
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Fellow team members. I don't want to appear ill tempered, but this thread is for reporting errors. All this discussion should really take place in our own team thread.

Agreed?Smile

I see, but it started as error reporting from me, but I concur with continuing to discussing this there.



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Even my


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 15:55
Originally posted by Marty McFly Marty McFly wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Fellow team members. I don't want to appear ill tempered, but this thread is for reporting errors. All this discussion should really take place in our own team thread.

Agreed?Smile

I see, but it started as error reporting from me, but I concur with continuing to discussing this there.


Reply http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=72212&PID=4375832" rel="nofollow - here




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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: December 14 2011 at 10:06
01. Andrkki
02. Hirzla hins algleymda oss
03. Sunnan vis sol, austan vis mina
04. Flug hugans
05. Enginn frisur
06. Eg er lkfsins braus
07. Hlisarlkf vor tkma

The tracklist for the Eldberg self titled album


Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: December 14 2011 at 10:22
^ OK sorted (can you supply the Anglicised characters missing from the musicians line up?)

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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: December 14 2011 at 10:43
Taken from Facebook, might not be what you want?



Ásmundur Svavar Sigurðsson: Bassi.
Eyþór Ingi Gunnlaugsson: Söngur.
Heimir Klemenzson: Hammond M3
ásamt öðrum hljómborðum.
Jakob Grétar Sigurðsson: Trommur/sl*g.erk.
Reynir Hauksson: Gítarar


Posted By: toroddfuglesteg
Date Posted: December 18 2011 at 15:31
Good evening Torodd,

I send this email because I've seen some typos in the Alkozaur biography. I reported them in the "about progarchives.com" section few days agos, but I saw no change. On the other hand, I see that the interview I answered yesterday is already online (thank you!). So I wonder if it will be possible for you to make the corrections ? I've put in bold the changes in the text hereunder (into perenthesis the wrong word).

Thanks
Kind regards
Antoine.


Alkozaur biography
French band ALKOZAUR was formed back in 2003 by (Anthony) Antoine Ferrera (bass) and Didier (Lapchine) Lapchin (guitars), long time friends whose relationship has ben ongoing since they attended school together in the late 70's and played in school band Illwill. The two of them started rehearsing at (Anthony's) Antoine's place, initially (utilizinf) utilizing (keyoboards) keyboards for additional instrumental details. Later on three friends of (Anthony) Antoine would help out occasionally, namely Philippe Compagnon (vocals), Patrick Perard (keyboards) and Philippe (Thelle) Thelliez (drums).

By 2008 it becomes clear that Compagnon and (Thelle) Thelliez won't be able to contribute on a regular basis anymore, and Perard is in a similar situation. Thierry Laurent (drums) and Serge Ruiz (keyboards) hooks up with founding duo Ferrera and (Lapchine) Lapchin at this point, and it turns out that Compagnon can stay with this project a wee bit longer too. To commemorate this, the band decides that this is the time to record their debut album, capturing this version of the band on disc while Compagnon still has the possibility to contribute.

Alkozaur hits the studio in January 2010, and finish the recording sessions prior to the summer of 2010. Mix and production follows for the next year or so, and late in 2011 their debut CD Serum of Life is released through Musea Records. While this production was finalized, Jocelyne Monsen (vocals) joined the band as their new lead vocalist, ready to contribute to their future endeavours.



Posted By: penguindf12
Date Posted: December 19 2011 at 03:02
Hello,
Sorry to just drop a message like this here, but I need some help.

I added a couple of albums to Bob Drake's page -- http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=3476 -- but he has kindly requested that we remove some of them, since he does not consider them "true" albums. They are:

- ../album.asp?id=33794" rel="nofollow - Whither's Old-Time Town Square Cabaret Orchestra
- ../album.asp?id=34084" rel="nofollow - Whithered Bouquet

One is actually a duo album, and the latter are just a couple unofficial improvs.

Thanks & apologies if this is not the correct section. Please remove these albums!

Also: a couple of the other "non-studio" albums up there may need to be removed later, I'm waiting for word back from Mr. Drake before I let you know though!


Posted By: fuyuakiworld
Date Posted: December 20 2011 at 13:09
HELP I have posted over 50 times and am a Forum Groupie, but it says I'm a forum newbie and only posted 7 times! What the Hell's going on?


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 20 2011 at 13:21
^maybe you made too many polls and Admin took your posts away. As punishment like.

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 20 2011 at 13:22
Originally posted by toroddfuglesteg toroddfuglesteg wrote:

Good evening Torodd,

I send this email because I've seen some typos in the Alkozaur biography. I reported them in the "about progarchives.com" section few days agos, but I saw no change. On the other hand, I see that the interview I answered yesterday is already online (thank you!). So I wonder if it will be possible for you to make the corrections ? I've put in bold the changes in the text hereunder (into perenthesis the wrong word).

Thanks
Kind regards
Antoine.


Alkozaur biography
French band ALKOZAUR was formed back in 2003 by (Anthony) Antoine Ferrera (bass) and Didier (Lapchine) Lapchin (guitars), long time friends whose relationship has ben ongoing since they attended school together in the late 70's and played in school band Illwill. The two of them started rehearsing at (Anthony's) Antoine's place, initially (utilizinf) utilizing (keyoboards) keyboards for additional instrumental details. Later on three friends of (Anthony) Antoine would help out occasionally, namely Philippe Compagnon (vocals), Patrick Perard (keyboards) and Philippe (Thelle) Thelliez (drums).

By 2008 it becomes clear that Compagnon and (Thelle) Thelliez won't be able to contribute on a regular basis anymore, and Perard is in a similar situation. Thierry Laurent (drums) and Serge Ruiz (keyboards) hooks up with founding duo Ferrera and (Lapchine) Lapchin at this point, and it turns out that Compagnon can stay with this project a wee bit longer too. To commemorate this, the band decides that this is the time to record their debut album, capturing this version of the band on disc while Compagnon still has the possibility to contribute.

Alkozaur hits the studio in January 2010, and finish the recording sessions prior to the summer of 2010. Mix and production follows for the next year or so, and late in 2011 their debut CD Serum of Life is released through Musea Records. While this production was finalized, Jocelyne Monsen (vocals) joined the band as their new lead vocalist, ready to contribute to their future endeavours.


I don't understand why you can't do this yourself Torodd.

Ok I will see to it soon.

I have done itb and also capitalized it correctly to PA standards.


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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 20 2011 at 13:23
Originally posted by penguindf12 penguindf12 wrote:

Hello,
Sorry to just drop a message like this here, but I need some help.

I added a couple of albums to Bob Drake's page -- http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=3476 -- but he has kindly requested that we remove some of them, since he does not consider them "true" albums. They are:

- ../album.asp?id=33794" rel="nofollow - Whither's Old-Time Town Square Cabaret Orchestra
- ../album.asp?id=34084" rel="nofollow - Whithered Bouquet

One is actually a duo album, and the latter are just a couple unofficial improvs.

Thanks & apologies if this is not the correct section. Please remove these albums!

Also: a couple of the other "non-studio" albums up there may need to be removed later, I'm waiting for word back from Mr. Drake before I let you know though!

Is there some other category they could be put under?

Ah I see they are not in the albums category. Is this still a problem?


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Posted By: fuyuakiworld
Date Posted: December 20 2011 at 13:39
yeah, i went overboard


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 20 2011 at 13:44
Originally posted by fuyuakiworld fuyuakiworld wrote:

yeah, i went overboard

Or it could be a genuine error and if so you should contact Admin. Or maybe as a first option report your problem here.

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=5" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=5


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Posted By: penguindf12
Date Posted: December 21 2011 at 15:43
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by penguindf12 penguindf12 wrote:

Hello,
Sorry to just drop a message like this here, but I need some help.

I added a couple of albums to Bob Drake's page -- http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=3476 -- but he has kindly requested that we remove some of them, since he does not consider them "true" albums. They are:

- ../album.asp?id=33794" rel="nofollow - Whither's Old-Time Town Square Cabaret Orchestra
- ../album.asp?id=34084" rel="nofollow - Whithered Bouquet

One is actually a duo album, and the latter are just a couple unofficial improvs.

Thanks & apologies if this is not the correct section. Please remove these albums!

Also: a couple of the other "non-studio" albums up there may need to be removed later, I'm waiting for word back from Mr. Drake before I let you know though!

Is there some other category they could be put under?

Ah I see they are not in the albums category. Is this still a problem?


They aren't official releases, and they need to be removed from the site altogether, by request of the artist himself. I'm the guy who added them, so I feel a personal responsibility towards realizing his wishes.


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 21 2011 at 15:56
k

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 21 2011 at 16:08
gGone

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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 09:26
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=35082


Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 09:31
Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=35082


What about it TL?

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=35082" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=35082


Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 09:40
Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

01. Andrkki
02. Hirzla hins algleymda oss
03. Sunnan vis sol, austan vis mina
04. Flug hugans
05. Enginn frisur
06. Eg er lkfsins braus
07. Hlisarlkf vor tkma

The tracklist for the Eldberg self titled album

Just trying to be helpful


Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 09:44
Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:


Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

<span ="apple-style-span"="" style="color: rgb68, 68, 68; font-family: Verdana, lucida, 'lucida-sans unicode', sans-serif; font-size: 11px; line-height: 17px; ">01. Andrkki</span><br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; color: rgb68, 68, 68; font-family: Verdana, lucida, 'lucida-sans unicode', sans-serif; font-size: 11px; line-height: 17px; "><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="color: rgb68, 68, 68; font-family: Verdana, lucida, 'lucida-sans unicode', sans-serif; font-size: 11px; line-height: 17px; ">02. Hirzla hins algleymda oss</span><br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; color: rgb68, 68, 68; font-family: Verdana, lucida, 'lucida-sans unicode', sans-serif; font-size: 11px; line-height: 17px; "><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="color: rgb68, 68, 68; font-family: Verdana, lucida, 'lucida-sans unicode', sans-serif; font-size: 11px; line-height: 17px; ">03. Sunnan vis sol, austan vis mina</span><br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; color: rgb68, 68, 68; font-family: Verdana, lucida, 'lucida-sans unicode', sans-serif; font-size: 11px; line-height: 17px; "><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="color: rgb68, 68, 68; font-family: Verdana, lucida, 'lucida-sans unicode', sans-serif; font-size: 11px; line-height: 17px; ">04. Flug hugans</span><br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; color: rgb68, 68, 68; font-family: Verdana, lucida, 'lucida-sans unicode', sans-serif; font-size: 11px; line-height: 17px; "><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="color: rgb68, 68, 68; font-family: Verdana, lucida, 'lucida-sans unicode', sans-serif; font-size: 11px; line-height: 17px; ">05. Enginn frisur</span><br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; color: rgb68, 68, 68; font-family: Verdana, lucida, 'lucida-sans unicode', sans-serif; font-size: 11px; line-height: 17px; "><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="color: rgb68, 68, 68; font-family: Verdana, lucida, 'lucida-sans unicode', sans-serif; font-size: 11px; line-height: 17px; ">06. Eg er lkfsins braus</span><br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; color: rgb68, 68, 68; font-family: Verdana, lucida, 'lucida-sans unicode', sans-serif; font-size: 11px; line-height: 17px; "><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="color: rgb68, 68, 68; font-family: Verdana, lucida, 'lucida-sans unicode', sans-serif; font-size: 11px; line-height: 17px; ">07. Hlisarlkf vor tkma</span>
<span ="apple-style-span"="" style="color: rgb68, 68, 68; font-family: Verdana, lucida, 'lucida-sans unicode', sans-serif; font-size: 11px; line-height: 17px; "></span>
<span ="apple-style-span"="" style="color: rgb68, 68, 68; font-family: Verdana, lucida, 'lucida-sans unicode', sans-serif; font-size: 11px; line-height: 17px; ">The tracklist for the Eldberg self titled album</span>

Just trying to be helpful


Sorry pal I'm not explaining myself. You've just posted a link with no explanation therefore I do not know how to respond to your post.



Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 10:21
The tracklisting for Eldberg is wrong and a few days ago I posted the correct tracklisting. I was just wondering if it would be changed.


Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 10:40
Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:


Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

<span ="apple-style-span"="" style="color: rgb68, 68, 68; font-family: Verdana, lucida, 'lucida-sans unicode', sans-serif; font-size: 11px; line-height: 17px; ">01. Andrkki</span><br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; color: rgb68, 68, 68; font-family: Verdana, lucida, 'lucida-sans unicode', sans-serif; font-size: 11px; line-height: 17px; "><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="color: rgb68, 68, 68; font-family: Verdana, lucida, 'lucida-sans unicode', sans-serif; font-size: 11px; line-height: 17px; ">02. Hirzla hins algleymda oss</span><br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; color: rgb68, 68, 68; font-family: Verdana, lucida, 'lucida-sans unicode', sans-serif; font-size: 11px; line-height: 17px; "><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="color: rgb68, 68, 68; font-family: Verdana, lucida, 'lucida-sans unicode', sans-serif; font-size: 11px; line-height: 17px; ">03. Sunnan vis sol, austan vis mina</span><br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; color: rgb68, 68, 68; font-family: Verdana, lucida, 'lucida-sans unicode', sans-serif; font-size: 11px; line-height: 17px; "><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="color: rgb68, 68, 68; font-family: Verdana, lucida, 'lucida-sans unicode', sans-serif; font-size: 11px; line-height: 17px; ">04. Flug hugans</span><br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; color: rgb68, 68, 68; font-family: Verdana, lucida, 'lucida-sans unicode', sans-serif; font-size: 11px; line-height: 17px; "><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="color: rgb68, 68, 68; font-family: Verdana, lucida, 'lucida-sans unicode', sans-serif; font-size: 11px; line-height: 17px; ">05. Enginn frisur</span><br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; color: rgb68, 68, 68; font-family: Verdana, lucida, 'lucida-sans unicode', sans-serif; font-size: 11px; line-height: 17px; "><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="color: rgb68, 68, 68; font-family: Verdana, lucida, 'lucida-sans unicode', sans-serif; font-size: 11px; line-height: 17px; ">06. Eg er lkfsins braus</span><br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; color: rgb68, 68, 68; font-family: Verdana, lucida, 'lucida-sans unicode', sans-serif; font-size: 11px; line-height: 17px; "><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="color: rgb68, 68, 68; font-family: Verdana, lucida, 'lucida-sans unicode', sans-serif; font-size: 11px; line-height: 17px; ">07. Hlisarlkf vor tkma</span>
<span ="apple-style-span"="" style="color: rgb68, 68, 68; font-family: Verdana, lucida, 'lucida-sans unicode', sans-serif; font-size: 11px; line-height: 17px; "></span>
<span ="apple-style-span"="" style="color: rgb68, 68, 68; font-family: Verdana, lucida, 'lucida-sans unicode', sans-serif; font-size: 11px; line-height: 17px; ">The tracklist for the Eldberg self titled album</span>

Just trying to be helpful


Got ya!



Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 15:41
Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

01. Andrkki
02. Hirzla hins algleymda oss
03. Sunnan vis sol, austan vis mina
04. Flug hugans
05. Enginn frisur
06. Eg er lkfsins braus
07. Hlisarlkf vor tkma

The tracklist for the Eldberg self titled album

Thanks, done.

But if you want your posts to be easier to handle please formulate them clearer. 

So your post had to look as follows:
Please correct the title of the track 6 of the following album:  http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=35082" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=35082 .
Replace "6. EEg er lkfsins braus (6:08)" with "Eg er lkfsins braus (6:08)"

That was enough, it was the only difference. The entire tracklist (without tracks' times) was not necessary.



By the way, do you know these musicians' names:
- Jakob Gr?tar Sigurdsson / drums, vibraphone

Collaborator: 
- Eva Guo?r??ur / (tenor sax (2)

I mean letters shown like question marks.




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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)


Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: December 22 2011 at 19:10
Why was there a track 8 on an album with 7 tracks, also I gave you the musicians names in an earlier post


Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: December 23 2011 at 06:16
Thanks, done.

What's about this:
Collaborator: 
- Eva Guo?r??ur / (tenor sax (2) ?


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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)


Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: December 23 2011 at 09:59
I could not find anything but I wouldn't be suprised if one of the members in the band is a member here


Posted By: MoodyRush
Date Posted: December 25 2011 at 22:30
I don't know how this should be handled but...

I received The Pineapple Thief's album Variations on a Dream for Christmas. It is a 2011 re-release with new cover art and a bonus CD. This CD contains a whole album, titled 8 Days, that was supposedly released in limited supply with the original album. The track listing is as follows:

1. Sunday 20th (5:46)
2. Monday 21th (6:23)
3. Tuesday 22nd (4:40)
4. Wednesday 23rd (5:28)
5. Thursday 24th (7:19)
6. Friday 25th (7:17)
7. Saturday 26th (part one) (4:10)
8. Saturday 26th (part two) (4:53)
9. Sunday 27th (part one) (5:55)
10. Sunday 27th (part two) (5:05)

I am unsure of how this should be resolved. It could be listed as a separate album, but I don't know. I'll trust your judgment.

EDIT: A link with info...  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variations_on_a_Dream" rel="nofollow - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variations_on_a_Dream


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Follow me down to the valley below.
Moonlight is bleeding from out of your soul.
-Lazarus


Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: December 25 2011 at 23:10
^ They have rather a convoluted discography don't they? There's a similar bonus CD with the 12 Stories Down album entitled '8 days later' but  no duplication of tracks from the bonus CD that you got with Variations of a Dream so I'll add the details to the latter as 'releases info' as there is no evidence it's available separately. BTW the band's website states the bonus CD you have was limited to the first 1000 copies of Variations and they have no plans to re-release it (You sure your version is a new copy?)

I also notice that 10 Stories Down is a remastered, remixed and re-arranged version of 12 Stories Down (different number and order of tracks but are they completely different performances?)

I'm assuming that September Sampler and Limited Edition Free CD are just different names for the same entity?


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Posted By: MoodyRush
Date Posted: December 25 2011 at 23:23
Thanks!

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Follow me down to the valley below.
Moonlight is bleeding from out of your soul.
-Lazarus


Posted By: infocat
Date Posted: December 26 2011 at 14:45
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

^ They have rather a convoluted discography don't they? There's a similar bonus CD with the 12 Stories Down album entitled '8 days later' but  no duplication of tracks from the bonus CD that you got with Variations of a Dream so I'll add the details to the latter as 'releases info' as there is no evidence it's available separately. BTW the band's website states the bonus CD you have was limited to the first 1000 copies of Variations and they have no plans to re-release it (You sure your version is a new copy?)

I also notice that 10 Stories Down is a remastered, remixed and re-arranged version of 12 Stories Down (different number and order of tracks but are they completely different performances?)

I'm assuming that September Sampler and Limited Edition Free CD are just different names for the same entity?


There is definitely a re-release of Variations with 8 Days as a bonus disk.  I just saw it at the store a couple of days ago.  I didn't buy it, though, as I'm not exactly sure how fond of TPT I actually am.  Confused
Anyway, here's a quote from the Burning Shed web site:
" Originally released in 2004, Variations On A Dream was The Pineapple Thief's third studio album.
Re-mixed and re-mastered by Bruce Soord, this 2011 Kscope edition also comes with a new cover.
Presented in the same way as the original limited release, the rare 8 Days album appears on CD 2. "

I also have the 10 stories down (not 12 stories down, which I believe is rare) re-release with 8 Days Later.

As for whether or not they should be listed here as separate releases, I have no idea.  Do they have official album covers?




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Belief is not Truth.


Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: December 26 2011 at 15:36
^ Thanks for the info, I've amended the album listing accordingly

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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: December 27 2011 at 08:19
The link to the Fish official website on http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=724" rel="nofollow - Fish's PA page is not actual.
This is the right one: http://fish-thecompany.com" rel="nofollow - http://fish-thecompany.com .


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Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: December 27 2011 at 09:49
^ Thanks, done.

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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)


Posted By: tendst
Date Posted: December 28 2011 at 09:32


please urgently remove existing link of the band!!!!

http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=3710" rel="nofollow - BLAND BLADEN

http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=3710" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=3710

careful, the band's homepage is no longer there. Even worse: it links to some "never ending junk"! Be careful. Don't click it! I am not sure if it doesn't do any harm to your computer... I will now scan for viruses & trojans... no nothing bad...



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"Nabu-ku-du-ur-ri-usur sar Babili"


Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: December 28 2011 at 14:13
^ Thank you so much! Thumbs Up

Link deleted, Kaspersky Antivirus blocks the access because the page is infected.


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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)


Posted By: tendst
Date Posted: December 30 2011 at 02:42
thanks, NotAProghead.

Another small thing:

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=21921" rel="nofollow - Charlie & Esdor -

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=21921" rel="nofollow - GRÖNT ÄR SKÖNT

is actually an EP/single and not a full album.



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"Nabu-ku-du-ur-ri-usur sar Babili"


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 30 2011 at 05:38
Done

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http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">


Posted By: MoodyRush
Date Posted: January 01 2012 at 16:22
http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=34" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=34

A small note... The bio mentions a Neil Morse, when likely it means Neal Morse. Thanks!


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Follow me down to the valley below.
Moonlight is bleeding from out of your soul.
-Lazarus


Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: January 02 2012 at 06:53
^ Thanks, done.

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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)


Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: January 02 2012 at 15:57
I added the album The High Road by The Present Moment, but something seems to have gone wrong with the album artwork and I think I may have uploaded something other than the image file by accident.

This should be the artwork: http://f0.bcbits.com/z/18/48/1848748252-1.jpg

and here is the album page:  http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=36017" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=36017

Thank you!


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http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu


Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: January 03 2012 at 02:55
^ Done

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Posted By: wdlkmpx
Date Posted: January 04 2012 at 17:00
Hello, I want to report this error:

http://www.progarchives.com/post_commentreview.asp

Server Error

500 - Internal server error.

There is a problem with the resource you are looking for, and it cannot be displayed.



This is like the first 3rd time I want to comment about a review and it's just a waste of time, I guess you did this on purpose to prevent who knows what. I think you should fix it or remove it.

The first 2 messages were meant to thank a prog reviewer for the one of the best reviews I read in this site. And now that I wrote the 3rd comment I don't feel like letting it go, so I'll paste it here:

""Man, why reviewing an album by a band you hate so much?
Reading this review is really sickening. I don't know if I should use the report link 'cause it's really sickening.
PS: I read a fair amount of XXXX albums reviews, some are then are harsh and I don't care, but yours is an insult to any reviewer or reader""




Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: January 04 2012 at 17:25
^ This thread is intended for errors in albums' (artists' bios etc) info, not for site/forum bugs.

The problem you've met already described here:  http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=81007" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=81007 . 
It's still not solved as I see.

You can send PMs to your beloved reviewers.
In case of insulting review you can also report it in this thread:  http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28343" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28343


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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)


Posted By: Sea Whisperer
Date Posted: January 06 2012 at 02:16
Hello!

There is a mistake in line-up:

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=25318" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=25318

According to
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Atmosfear/Zenith/250009" rel="nofollow - http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Atmosfear/Zenith/250009
Tim Schnabel played drums, not Olaf Sorgenfrei.


Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: January 06 2012 at 03:25
^ by jingo yer right. Sorted and thanks

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Posted By: tendst
Date Posted: January 08 2012 at 06:02
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=5644" rel="nofollow - Embryo / Jazz Bühne , Berlin

is a live album and should please be moved to live albums. Thanks.


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"Nabu-ku-du-ur-ri-usur sar Babili"


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 08 2012 at 06:04
Fixed. Thanks. Album cover is bad too

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http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 08 2012 at 06:10
Found a better cover...not perfect....better though.

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http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">


Posted By: tendst
Date Posted: January 08 2012 at 06:16
... another live album by   Embryo is in the wrong place:

http:////www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=6905" rel="nofollow - Istanbul - Casablanca Tour 98

please also move to live albums. Thanks.


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"Nabu-ku-du-ur-ri-usur sar Babili"


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 08 2012 at 06:22
Done

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http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 08 2012 at 06:42
Originally posted by tendst tendst wrote:

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=5644" rel="nofollow - Embryo / Jazz Bühne , Berlin

is a live album and should please be moved to live albums. Thanks.

Found a really good cover now. It appears to be called Live In Berlin though.

Seems to have wrong release year too.


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http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">


Posted By: tendst
Date Posted: January 08 2012 at 06:44
... and a last move:  the album http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=6907" rel="nofollow - One Night at the Miro Foundation is most likely also a live album. Thanks for moving it.

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"Nabu-ku-du-ur-ri-usur sar Babili"


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 08 2012 at 07:01
Done

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http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">


Posted By: tendst
Date Posted: January 09 2012 at 13:52
... small typo in the band's name
http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=3947" rel="nofollow - EXPERIMENTALL should say EXPERIMENTAL

see album covers. Thanks.


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"Nabu-ku-du-ur-ri-usur sar Babili"


Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: January 09 2012 at 14:21
^ The band's pic says otherwise though. I'm confused... Confused

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"Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent."

Charles Bukowski


Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: January 09 2012 at 14:31
I don't agree, but thanks.

I've found the band on MySpace  http://www.myspace.com/experimentalchile" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/experimentalchile  (and added the link). They call themselves EXPERIMENTALL.


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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)


Posted By: tendst
Date Posted: January 10 2012 at 15:06
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=24939" rel="nofollow - Floating Flower 1st and 2nd seems to be a compilation and could be moved there. Thanks.

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"Nabu-ku-du-ur-ri-usur sar Babili"


Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: January 10 2012 at 17:16
^ Fixed, Thanks.

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http://www.facebook.com/damoxt7942" rel="nofollow">


Posted By: tendst
Date Posted: January 12 2012 at 11:35
... a typo in the album title
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=15106" rel="nofollow - CONTENT should be CONTEND.

Thanks


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"Nabu-ku-du-ur-ri-usur sar Babili"


Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: January 12 2012 at 13:59
^ Thanks, done.

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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)



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