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Topic: Discovering you're not alone in musical tastes.Posted By: CloseToTheMoon
Subject: Discovering you're not alone in musical tastes.
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 10:28
I haven't been listening to anything in the Prog-sphere as long as some of you guys, my christening was around 2003. Shortly after, I did the next logical step and stole vinyl from my parent's collection. My mom (who worked at a record shop for a few years) had a few Genesis (no Gabriel era) a few Floyd, Camel's I can See Your House From Here and some Alan Parsons. My dad's was slightly more eclectic; Santana, Robin Tower, Marillion and Rush among others. He plays guitar. We can relate to expanding our palette, but he still stays within what he already knows.
But the odd part of the story (there is a story buried in here) is we reconnected with my Grandpa on my father's side after a long period of no communication. I knew he was a painter and art enthusiast but we got talking music. He liked the Moody Blues and classical and jazz and guitar playing. But he was fascinated in my respect for all things vinyl and gave me some of his. There was Focus, Ekseption, (we're dutch) Bach, Dave Brubeck and some random classical records. It gave me hope that my lineage is interesting.
Has anyone else known someone for a long time, but never knew they were into Prog? Related or otherwise?
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Replies: Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 11:13
A great story but it makes me feel so old...I may be your grandpa....
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 11:18
My dad still loves Elvis
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 11:22
Mine was born in 1913...but in 1982 he surprised me saying "nice this, what are you listening to?"
It was Saucerful of secrets......but my dad was deaf....
...
------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 12:04
I had a few classes with this one guy in college. He seemed a pretty cool bloke to me, but I don't think he thought much of me at all - until we ran into one another at a Yes concert. It was the Union tour. He was flabbergasted and I was pleasantly surprised. He eventually became my main Prog buddy. Very few of my friends truly appreciate Prog.
I have another friend from work who I have long known was into Punk and Metal bands like Motorhead. I was surprised when he told how awesome the latest Rush concert was. Not only did I not know he was into Rush, I didn't even know they were playing nearby.
I think a couple of nephews might get into Dream Theater or Mastodon or other Prog Metal beasts if I introduced them. They listen to Avenged Sevenfold, so the next level could interest them. Christmas might be a good time.
------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty"
Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 12:08
lazland wrote:
My dad still loves Elvis
I have actually grown to appreciate Elvis over the last few years, especially the early tunes recorded at Sun Studio. There is still a lot of his music I can't stand, though - soaked in syrupy strings, the Vegas Elvis, that stuff.
------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty"
Posted By: CloseToTheMoon
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 12:30
octopus-4 wrote:
A great story but it makes me feel so old...I may be your grandpa....
Believe me, my intent wasn't to age anyone. It's a good feeling...but unintentional haha.
I was born in 85. Still a youngin', but I did grow up with a good mix of musical eras. I keep going back to when I was a teenager and getting to dig through records of my aunts, parent's friends, etc. Seeing what they liked at my age opened up a new channel of discussion.
------------- It's funny how the colors of the real world only seem really real when you viddy them on the screen.
Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 12:34
I knew this really cool drumming teacher who toyed around with electronics and stuff. During one of the concerts I had when I was in the Conservatory we were backstage bored so I just blurted out "Ever heard of Cardiacs?" and he was like "f**k yeah I've heard of Cardiacs!".
One awesome moment that was...
------------- There be dragons
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 12:38
frippism wrote:
I knew this really cool drumming teacher who toyed around with electronics and stuff. During one of the concerts I had when I was in the Conservatory we were backstage bored so I just blurted out "Ever heard of Cardiacs?" and he was like "f**k yeah I've heard of Cardiacs!".
One awesome moment that was...
You said "Ever heard of Cardiacs"
He said, clutching his chest " Yeah, I'm having one now"
Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 12:54
The closet I can think of is my sister, who is a huge fan of The Mars Volta and At The Drive-In, but she actually introduced me to them so I guess it doesn't count.
Other than her, I don't know anyone. I don't even really know her either :\
Posted By: peart_lee_lifeson
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 17:55
I wish I knew more people with similar musical tastes. Luckily, I have 4 brothers with similar musical taste, and one who has pretty much the same exact opinions about music as me. I've got some friends who are into prog as well, but not many. I would like to convert some people, but not sure that's gonna happen. Who knows? Maybe I'll run into some proggies one of these days.
------------- PROG ON!!!
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 18:28
4 Siblings with similar music tastes?
I smell a band forming....
------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 19:02
Stealing old vinyl from your parent's collection is a bit unethical. Why didn't you just ask first?
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 19:06
Horizons wrote:
4 Siblings with similar music tastes?
I smell a band forming....
Hanson, Osmonds, Jacksons and the Kings of Leon .... not looking encouraging so far.
colorofmoney91 wrote:
The closet I can think of is my sister, who is a huge fan of The Mars Volta and At The Drive-In, but she actually introduced me to them so I guess it doesn't count.
Other than her, I don't know anyone. I don't even really know her either :\
Curious: Do you think she's is a closet or is in the closet?
Anyway. My nephew is a big Pink Floyd fan - that came as a surprise to me. Then I guess finding out I have every Coheed and Cambria album was probably a surprise to him.
------------- What?
Posted By: Chozal
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 19:07
Three years ago there was a girl in my class which I never really talked to - and some of her friends hated me, a feeling I kindly sent back to them.
Then during the summer I found her during a party, we chatted a little bit and lo and behold, she is a classic prog/jazz fusion fan O_o awesome moment, she is the one who got (forced ?) me to listen to ELP ^^
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Posted By: CloseToTheMoon
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 19:11
Slartibartfast wrote:
Stealing old vinyl from your parent's collection is a bit unethical. Why didn't you just ask first?
Being funny. I need practice.
Of course I asked them, but after a while I just started putting the ones I liked back into my boxes, thinking I'd listen to them more than they would anyway.
------------- It's funny how the colors of the real world only seem really real when you viddy them on the screen.
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 19:25
CloseToTheMoon wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
Stealing old vinyl from your parent's collection is a bit unethical. Why didn't you just ask first?
Being funny. I need practice.
Of course I asked them, but after a while I just started putting the ones I liked back into my boxes, thinking I'd listen to them more than they would anyway.
Oh I think the word you are after is hoarding.
------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 20:02
Dean wrote:
Horizons wrote:
4 Siblings with similar music tastes?
I smell a band forming....
Hanson, Osmonds, Jacksons and the Kings of Leon .... not looking encouraging so far.
Hey man, you never know!
------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 20:16
I am alone and I except it. I would be better off talking to myself than some smuck in South Jersey who covers the fringe of prog. But then again....who really cares? I really don't desire to chat only about the famous prog bands and that alone is rare within itself in a place like south Jersey. It just cracks me up how on Progarchives you have a decent amount of Art Zoyd fans while if you were hired as a detective to find one of them in S.J. it would remain to be a hopeless search. I actually got up the nerve to check out a chatroom where prog fans hung out on the weekend. There was maybe one person in that chatroom who talked briefly about Rio and Symphonic prog. Most of the proggers who have the history recorded in their brain.....do not wish to converse and rarely post a reply let alone enter a chatroom. Mostly dead or all dead are my prog friends from the 70's. But again....I am so self-endulgent that I make myself sick. Waiting for my wife to leave the house with the kids ...so I can have an afternoon of Univers Zero. Art Zoyd, Far Corner, Art Bears and a bottle of good wine. I figure since most of my friends are dead and things must be this way....I should choose to remain a private person since the search for a common interest is enogh to suck the life out of you. Especially in S.J. I remember working with the bass player for Question Mark and the Mysterians. He was into prog and we used to have laughs about the industry and spend our time off the road listening to progressive rock. The fact that I am this old and still a music fanatic.... yet have no one to converse with leaves me with only one option......I'm waiting to die? I discovered new bands on P.A. and what more can I ask for today? That is the greatest gift for me.
Posted By: peart_lee_lifeson
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 21:43
Horizons wrote:
Dean wrote:
Horizons wrote:
4 Siblings with similar music tastes?
I smell a band forming....
Hanson, Osmonds, Jacksons and the Kings of Leon .... not looking encouraging so far.
Hey man, you never know!
That's right! If we did start a band, we would definitely blow Hanson out of the water. Just saying.
------------- PROG ON!!!
Posted By: peart_lee_lifeson
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 21:46
TODDLER wrote:
I am alone and I except it. I would be better off talking to myself than some smuck in South Jersey who covers the fringe of prog. But then again....who really cares? I really don't desire to chat only about the famous prog bands and that alone is rare within itself in a place like south Jersey. It just cracks me up how on Progarchives you have a decent amount of Art Zoyd fans while if you were hired as a detective to find one of them in S.J. it would remain to be a hopeless search. I actually got up the nerve to check out a chatroom where prog fans hung out on the weekend. There was maybe one person in that chatroom who talked briefly about Rio and Symphonic prog. Most of the proggers who have the history recorded in their brain.....do not wish to converse and rarely post a reply let alone enter a chatroom. Mostly dead or all dead are my prog friends from the 70's. But again....I am so self-endulgent that I make myself sick. Waiting for my wife to leave the house with the kids ...so I can have an afternoon of Univers Zero. Art Zoyd, Far Corner, Art Bears and a bottle of good wine. I figure since most of my friends are dead and things must be this way....I should choose to remain a private person since the search for a common interest is enogh to suck the life out of you. Especially in S.J. I remember working with the bass player for Question Mark and the Mysterians. He was into prog and we used to have laughs about the industry and spend our time off the road listening to progressive rock. The fact that I am this old and still a music fanatic.... yet have no one to converse with leaves me with only one option......I'm waiting to die? I discovered new bands on P.A. and what more can I ask for today? That is the greatest gift for me.
Not gonna lie, this is a little depressing. /
------------- PROG ON!!!
Posted By: cyclysm748
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 22:35
I also have four brothers with similar musical tastes. One of them is even a member of this forum! Crazy I know.
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 23:26
Got my cousin into a bit of Camel/Genesis/Rush and know some people who like either PT or DT or PF but not prog per se. Other than that, every proghead I know is someone I first met on the internet. It is ok, I am used to that situation. When I was in school and a big fan of A R Rahman, the other kids liked some so called indie (stands for Indian here and not the term indie) pop and hardcore Bollywood crap. I relate to people mostly on sports or, with somewhat older people, current affairs and don't venture into the topic of music unless I can sense some common ground.
Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 23:42
Snow Dog wrote:
frippism wrote:
I knew this really cool drumming teacher who toyed around with electronics and stuff. During one of the concerts I had when I was in the Conservatory we were backstage bored so I just blurted out "Ever heard of Cardiacs?" and he was like "f**k yeah I've heard of Cardiacs!".
One awesome moment that was...
You said "Ever heard of Cardiacs"
He said, clutching his chest " Yeah, I'm having one now"
------------- There be dragons
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 02 2011 at 01:45
Someone I've known for 20 years recently told me that he thought Van Der Graaf Generator were the greatest band ever. I was bit suprised to say the least. Never had him down as a prog fan or even of any form of rock music for that matter.
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: December 02 2011 at 01:56
^ reminds me of the guy I've worked with for over 27 years, ( http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=46868&PID=2787323#2787323" rel="nofollow - I''ve told this tale before , more than once I suspect).
------------- What?
Posted By: Big Ears
Date Posted: December 02 2011 at 05:32
My grandad got me into Johnny Cash, when he bought the Sun Collection on two vinyl albums in about 1970. I loved it, but had to take stick from my friends who were all into glamrock.
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: December 02 2011 at 05:39
My mum was born in 1938, but she has a good understanding about music.
Her favorite is A Night at the Opera, she likes Floyd, Collins/Gabriel/Genesis.
But she cant stand wierd Jazzy things (aka. Return to forever ect.) or "when the screams more than they sing"
aka Led Zeppelin or rather anything heavy (expc. Queen - they are forgiven whatever they do).
------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 02 2011 at 05:40
Dean wrote:
^ reminds me of the guy I've worked with for over 27 years, ( http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=46868&PID=2787323#2787323" rel="nofollow - I''ve told this tale before , more than once I suspect).
I like that story. Had no idea Babe Ruth were British though. I just assumed they were American. Roger Dean did a cover for them I believe. I baseball player on a shark or something.
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: December 02 2011 at 05:45
On the famly side, my borthers son, ( he is 20-21) got influenced by the music i listen too.
He loves early floyd - especialy Ummagum's - and early danish Hippi'e music from the late 60's - early 70's.
(for those few : Steppeulvene - Young Flowers - Sølvstjernerne - Christiania LP'en mv.)
Along side a shizload of RAP / Hip-Hop
------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
Posted By: TerLJack
Date Posted: December 02 2011 at 07:30
I was managing a restaurant in Southern California and going to the yearly festivals they used to have, and recognized one of my regular guests at the concert! He has since become my major prog buddy and festival partner. Since I no longer live in SoCal, and there has not been a multi-day festival anywhere near there recently anyway, we've met at ROS the last few years. I really miss BajaProg, though.
Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: December 02 2011 at 08:30
Dean wrote:
colorofmoney91 wrote:
The closet I can think of is my sister, who is a huge fan of The Mars Volta and At The Drive-In, but she actually introduced me to them so I guess it doesn't count.
Other than her, I don't know anyone. I don't even really know her either :\
Curious: Do you think she's is a closet or is in the closet?
I sometimes lose my mind and forget how to type, but I'm sure you know what I meant. My sister's potential lesbianism is well hidden, as far as I know.
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: December 02 2011 at 08:31
peart_lee_lifeson wrote:
TODDLER wrote:
I am alone and I except it. I would be better off talking to myself than some smuck in South Jersey who covers the fringe of prog. But then again....who really cares? I really don't desire to chat only about the famous prog bands and that alone is rare within itself in a place like south Jersey. It just cracks me up how on Progarchives you have a decent amount of Art Zoyd fans while if you were hired as a detective to find one of them in S.J. it would remain to be a hopeless search. I actually got up the nerve to check out a chatroom where prog fans hung out on the weekend. There was maybe one person in that chatroom who talked briefly about Rio and Symphonic prog. Most of the proggers who have the history recorded in their brain.....do not wish to converse and rarely post a reply let alone enter a chatroom. Mostly dead or all dead are my prog friends from the 70's. But again....I am so self-endulgent that I make myself sick. Waiting for my wife to leave the house with the kids ...so I can have an afternoon of Univers Zero. Art Zoyd, Far Corner, Art Bears and a bottle of good wine. I figure since most of my friends are dead and things must be this way....I should choose to remain a private person since the search for a common interest is enogh to suck the life out of you. Especially in S.J. I remember working with the bass player for Question Mark and the Mysterians. He was into prog and we used to have laughs about the industry and spend our time off the road listening to progressive rock. The fact that I am this old and still a music fanatic.... yet have no one to converse with leaves me with only one option......I'm waiting to die? I discovered new bands on P.A. and what more can I ask for today? That is the greatest gift for me.
Not gonna lie, this is a little depressing. /
Of course it is....but the important aspect to think about regarding this subject is the depressing fact..........The prog empire began to fall in the late 70's and I am making reference to the presentation of it's creativity through the media. Think about it. These musicians were given the liberty by the record executives to enter a studio, record a 20 minute piece, release it on album and tour stadiums. It's because the record executives who worked with major labels in the 60's were mostly Jazz freaks and this whole "Close to the Edge" or "Lamb Lies Down on Broadway" thing had them interested for the true sake of art. The desire to make profit from the music and compose in a serious vain were equal. This younger generation of record executives took over as the old guys retired. Then things changed and musicians were told it would be best to follow the Glitter dress code, write shorter songs, play stadiums and cheese it up a bit. This was the hippie movement with a new business concept. To a less degree you still had bands in the business that had an influence of progressive writing in their somewhat mainstream style like Supertramp fpr example.
It seemed that the hippies had created an establishment which was 10 times worse than the one they rebelled against in 1969. I take the history personally because I played on circuits with bands like Renaissance, Steve Hackett and a bunch of others during the industry knife stabbing edge into prog days of the late 70's and early 80's. It's a nightmare for members on this site (I know)...to recall the lack of glory in Love Beach or Hackett's Cured. When you had bands like Butt Trumpet singing "Kill all the F Hippies" or the Sex Pistols with "God Save the Queen" it was humourus and the drive behind it was fun. During the same time period though....Punk destroyed prog in the media. They slaughtered the "Art Rock" side to Pink Floyd and the list was endless. The influence soaked into the minds of punk audiences and the mentality of making fun of a musician became worldwide. This was that period that I so often refer to where the suicide rate for musicians increased. Many of them went on a suicide mission. People say..."well it was because of the drugs",,,but seriously many of them were crushed from the new business concepts in the industry. Their heads were in the smasher.
With the exception of prog in the media ....all prog fans are alone and have been alone since the determination to wipe it clean from promotion. I hate the saying..."Give the people what they want" or " "The times changed". First of all.....times do not change on their own in the music business with a wave of a magic wand. The record companies changed the rules of the music business. For example.....Jimi Hendrix and Pink Floyd would play the "Electric Factory" in Philadelphia during the late 60's. It was completely down to earth in that place. The bands would play on the stage and the crowd would sit staring, observing the band's talents and you could almost reach out and touch the band on stage. It was like they were performing in your house. Then the record executives and promoters destroyed this kind of event and reaction between audience and performer when they proceeded to place all rock bands in stadiums. Keith Emerson was now untouchable because you felt a million miles away trapped between a thousand people in the audience. Emerson was an outstanding pianist who became a "Rock Star" with all the props. The flying piano or smashing his organ like Ritchie Blackmore might smash a guitar.
"Give the people what they want" ....It's as if some guys got together in 1964 with pad and paper to knock on every American's door and ask the question "Do you like the Beatles?" An audience for the most part does not actually know what they want . Not until it is fed to them through the blood stream of the music industry. With the industry......they took a gamble on the Beatles....however decades later they gave the people what they wanted to give them. What is going on with Nearfest today? I have watched various new prog bands perform at picnics. They are more than capable of playing Classical music and Jazz. I think it's really sick when a diverse type of player has no alternative but to play at a picnic. What does that mean? Where are they sleeping, on someone's couch? This is sad and funny at the same time. We are more alone now than we ever were. When vendors decide to put together prog festivals they only bargain on making enough profit to pay the bands........so they can at least fly back to Europe with a security blanket. What does that mean? That the vendor or promoter is featuring prog music for the sake of art? Imagine if there was a wealthy business promoter who invested millions into prog and told the industry to pi-s off. That;s what you would need basically to solve the problem. A hero.
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: December 02 2011 at 08:53
Nah I'm pretty alone I think got my brother into progressive minded music (but I was a latecomer as well, so we kind of got into it together). In fact we'd kind of rival each other with finding new good bands!
A good friend of mine is into prog, another one is to a lesser extent and I've met a good amount over time.
Then I go to work and realize we are in a small minority Sure, lots of people know and are even into borderline acts (or pop influenced ones) like TMV, Muse, Radiohead etc but you can question how 'prog' that is. When people ask, I just say I'm into weird music. If they ask how, just that it deviates from the standard rock/pop format. Those brave ones that are really interested I'll explain and their reaction is great.
A 24 minute song!? I have to explain its not how you think of songs, it doesn't go for 24 minutes but it progresses. Also the incorporation of jazz is another one that people just don't care for, (since no one likes jazz) and the general oddity of prog. All of it is a mystery to people it seems.
Posted By: CloseToTheMoon
Date Posted: December 02 2011 at 10:40
peart_lee_lifeson wrote:
Horizons wrote:
Dean wrote:
Horizons wrote:
4 Siblings with similar music tastes?
I smell a band forming....
Hanson, Osmonds, Jacksons and the Kings of Leon .... not looking encouraging so far.
Hey man, you never know!
That's right! If we did start a band, we would definitely blow Hanson out of the water. Just saying.
Hey I'll defend the first 3 Kings of Leon records. They were a nice southern rock option to the indie bands who think learning an instrument is passe. Check out the tracks "On Call" "Soft" or "Camaro" for some clean riffage and innocent fun.
------------- It's funny how the colors of the real world only seem really real when you viddy them on the screen.
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: December 02 2011 at 11:57
CloseToTheMoon wrote:
Hey I'll defend the first 3 Kings of Leon records. They were a nice southern rock option to the indie bands who think learning an instrument is passe. Check out the tracks "On Call" "Soft" or "Camaro" for some clean riffage and innocent fun.
No offense - just picked three bands of brothers at random, could have picked the Beach Boys instead, just the luck of the draw. I don't know KoL, but that's not overly surprising.
------------- What?
Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: December 02 2011 at 15:25
CloseToTheMoon wrote:
peart_lee_lifeson wrote:
Horizons wrote:
Dean wrote:
Horizons wrote:
4 Siblings with similar music tastes?
I smell a band forming....
Hanson, Osmonds, Jacksons and the Kings of Leon .... not looking encouraging so far.
Hey man, you never know!
That's right! If we did start a band, we would definitely blow Hanson out of the water. Just saying.
Hey I'll defend the first 3 Kings of Leon records. They were a nice southern rock option to the indie bands who think learning an instrument is passe. Check out the tracks "On Call" "Soft" or "Camaro" for some clean riffage and innocent fun.
It's nice to see someone else here who appreciates Kings of Leon.
Posted By: Olwe
Date Posted: December 02 2011 at 15:52
I used to think that my dad has as sh*ty taste as 99% of people , but when I informed him that I am going to Anathema gig on 28th he replied he is going the same day for some unknown for me then band Porcupine Tree. As you can imagine it was the same concert . Also, my sister(now 9 years) could sing some choruses from Riverside , Anathema or King Crimson songs when she was barely speaking few words Little Kids are so innocent and unpoisoned by manstream music, and that makes them good target for prog introduction
Posted By: Prog Sothoth
Date Posted: December 02 2011 at 16:39
My main coworker (this 52 year old Lebanese guy) in the lab I work at overheard me dealing with a nightclub over the phone about tickets to a show. When he asked me who I was going to see I said this jazz fusion artist. He asked who and I replied "Umm, just this young Japanese woman named Hiromi Uehara. She's quite the keyboard player."
He flipped out. "Really!!! Oh she's absolutely incredible! I've seen her twice already...you're gonna love her!" A few days later he tried to get tickets but it was sold out. The day after the show I almost felt bad telling him I got her to autograph my Voice CD and had a photo taken with her after the gig. He's been a fan of hers (and as I learned, jazz fusion in general as well as Jethro Tull and King Crimson) since 2004 or so while I only discovered her at the beginning of this year thanks to this site. We now play some pretty cool music in our lab now. We had no idea we shared a lot of music tastes.
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: December 02 2011 at 21:05
tamijo wrote:
On the famly side, my borthers son, ( he is 20-21) got influenced by the music i listen too.
He loves early floyd - especialy Ummagum's - and early danish Hippi'e music from the late 60's - early 70's.
(for those few : Steppeulvene - Young Flowers - Sølvstjernerne - Christiania LP'en mv.)
Along side a shizload of RAP / Hip-Hop
Well he´s got a great taste in music Those old hippie albums are stellar. I really like Dan Turell on that Sølvstjernerne release.
------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
- Douglas Adams
Posted By: yanch
Date Posted: December 03 2011 at 05:47
I had a few friends in college who liked some of what I did, but no one in the past who I connected with. If anything, I've ended up getting other people into what I listen to. My mom's been the best. She's always been a huge music lover-classical, jazz, opera, then The Beatles, Stones, Dylan, etc. When I started playing the likes of Tull, Gentle Giant, Genesis, etc. around the house she'd listen. She can even tell me who I'm listening to when I play music now. Recently bought the live Riverside DVD and she loves it!
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: December 03 2011 at 06:25
One of my best friends revealed to me at the age of ten that he was a Supertramp and Jethro Tull fan. It was not many years later I got him into Mike Patton and he got me into Zappa and Tom Waits (among countless of others).
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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: December 03 2011 at 07:39
Guldbamsen wrote:
tamijo wrote:
On the famly side, my borthers son, ( he is 20-21) got influenced by the music i listen too.
He loves early floyd - especialy Ummagum's - and early danish Hippi'e music from the late 60's - early 70's.
(for those few : Steppeulvene - Young Flowers - Sølvstjernerne - Christiania LP'en mv.)
Along side a shizload of RAP / Hip-Hop
Well he´s got a great taste in music Those old hippie albums are stellar. I really like Dan Turell on that Sølvstjernerne release.
Yes quite an amasing mix of those brilliant music artists and the poet.
I know there was a second CD, Tømmerclaus made more recordings back then, not on the original.
Yeah it is, if possible, just as brilliant as the original. If you like those old school Danish delights, then check out Tømrerclaus´ own site: http://karmamusic.dk/" rel="nofollow - http://karmamusic.dk/ - where it´s possible to get your hands on all kinds of obscurities BTW I think he just got suggested here for his first solo album, where he plays everything himself including cellos. Highly recommended, although he isn´t exactly Luther Wandross on the vocals
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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: December 03 2011 at 10:32
I know the first solo from Claus - brilliant - was listning to it a lot late 70's early 80's - friend had it on vinyl
Gotta get the Sølvstjerner !!
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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: December 03 2011 at 10:37
Talking about those classics, do you know this one, highly recomandable, very prog in its style, compared to everything else he have done.
Lykkeland /Povl Dissing med Peter Bastian, Peter Thorup, Ken Gudman, Hugo Rasmussen, Egon Ågaard, Kenneth Knudsen og Bo Stief
Noter
Indspillet i København januar-februar 1977 .
------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
Posted By: CloseToTheMoon
Date Posted: December 03 2011 at 12:59
Prog Sothoth wrote:
My main coworker (this 52 year old Lebanese guy) in the lab I work at overheard me dealing with a nightclub over the phone about tickets to a show. When he asked me who I was going to see I said this jazz fusion artist. He asked who and I replied "Umm, just this young Japanese woman named Hiromi Uehara. She's quite the keyboard player."
He flipped out. "Really!!! Oh she's absolutely incredible! I've seen her twice already...you're gonna love her!" A few days later he tried to get tickets but it was sold out. The day after the show I almost felt bad telling him I got her to autograph my Voice CD and had a photo taken with her after the gig. He's been a fan of hers (and as I learned, jazz fusion in general as well as Jethro Tull and King Crimson) since 2004 or so while I only discovered her at the beginning of this year thanks to this site. We now play some pretty cool music in our lab now. We had no idea we shared a lot of music tastes.
I grabbed Hiromi's Sonic Bloom from the library (because I'll listen to anything with Japanese girls on it) and it rocks. The production is punchy and there's some great playing on it.
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Posted By: Prog Sothoth
Date Posted: December 03 2011 at 13:18
CloseToTheMoon wrote:
I grabbed Hiromi's Sonic Bloom from the library (because I'll listen to anything with Japanese girls on it) and it rocks. The production is punchy and there's some great playing on it.
Not sure if you're talking about the DVD or her Time Control album (Sonic Bloom was sort of her band's name for awhile), but yeah, they absolutely cook. She's incredible live, and she uses her cuteness to great effect while she plays, often with a big happy grin before going wild and just POUNDING the keys. The show I went to had Steve Smith of Journey fame (yeah, "Don't Stop Believin" & all that) on drums, and I had no idea he was such an incredible drummer. Hiromi gets some of the best musicians around to complement her wild tunes.
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: December 03 2011 at 18:43
tamijo wrote:
Talking about those classics, do you know this one, highly recomandable, very prog in its style, compared to everything else he have done.
Lykkeland /Povl Dissing med Peter Bastian, Peter Thorup, Ken Gudman, Hugo Rasmussen, Egon Ågaard, Kenneth Knudsen og Bo Stief
Noter
Indspillet i København januar-februar 1977 .
No, I don´t know that album but from what you describe, plus the clip - it´s definitely going on my list. I love Ken Gudman´s drumming and Peter Thorup was a wonderful guitarist as well. My fave from Dissing is Nøgne Øjne and his collaboration with Burnin Red Ivanhoe 6 Elefantskovcikadeviser, which not so surprisingly is rated very low here at PA I guess one must be Danish to get the old troubadour and his mææhhhh vocals - I for one have always loved them though...
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Posted By: zachfive
Date Posted: December 03 2011 at 19:06
Other than this site, I have never met anyone who claims "Prog" as the music they listen to...
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: December 03 2011 at 19:22
^It´s an imaginary thing that only exists on the internet...
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Posted By: zachfive
Date Posted: December 03 2011 at 19:49
^What do you respond with when asked, "What music do you listen too?"
For me. "I heave a sigh and sadly smile..." then try to sum up in one to two sentences what bands are considered prog and what prog is, in general... I never get to far before I see they were hoping I said Black Eyed Peas or some band I've never heard of.
Posted By: Canterzeuhl
Date Posted: December 06 2011 at 10:39
My dad kindly introduced me to Frank Zappa and Focus when I was 5 in 1996.
My dad then promptly ran away to South Africa. I didn't realise I was even listening to Prog Rock until I saw the BBC4 programme 'Prog Rock Britannia' when that first came out which I think was early 2008. Since then I've discovered hundreds of bands I love including Camel, Mike Oldfield and John Martyn. However, when I found each of these artists my mum was quick to point out how my dad was a big fan.
Honestly, he is so rude not even thinking to write down some bands I might like on a piece of paper before running away. Would've saved me a decade or so of pain I didn't know I was having.
I've never felt 'alone' in my musical tastes. I just talked to my peers at school rather than my friends about music. Interestingly it was only my English teachers who liked Frank Zappa.
Posted By: daslaf
Date Posted: December 06 2011 at 18:58
Well.. I'm studying music theory at university, so, among musicians it's easy to find people who likes some prog bands, no one declares himself as a prog fan though, and thinking about that... neither I would do something like that, I'm starting to like a lot of really different music
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They did so long ago
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: December 07 2011 at 08:55
I was alone in the late 70's jazz/fusion scene. Maybe a few friends I had who didn't adapt the macho side to it were cool to hang with....however in the music business I had dealings with musicians who were great players, but were stuck on themselves and thought that the race with the devil to see who had the most flashy technique was held in high regard and the styles of other music seemed neglected. This all happened in my life during the mid to late 70's when the fusion style first hit America. Unfortunately.....my way is the only way. Not to think about feeding your ego and remain humble when you are learning a piece of music. Surely there were musicians in college and in the business who felt like me. Joe Zawnul, John McLaughlin, Billy Cobham, Wayne Shorter were not interested in playing fast for a showdown. They were working with other aspects to playing and expanding. The side to their playing which WAS a bit flashy or as they say "HOT" .......was part of their composition and a large gathering of American musicians during that time took the whole event as an ego boost.
I was 8 years old when my music teacher played the album "Switched On Bach" by Walter Carlos. This was the electronic version of Bach. It was a strange revelation for me and started collecting Carlos albums. I remember a kid bringing in the single "Paperback Writer/Rain and we thought it to be strange. Music was accessible then and kids were sharing it ...while on the other hand..prog cut that realization of freedom in half. ELP, GENESIS, FLOYD became huge while the underground European prog bands had little chance of success to that level. They were placed on small theatre tours and released domestic versions of their albums. The industry should have promoted underground bands a bit more because the audience of proggers in the U.S. were buying all their albums from Europe and waiting 2 months to receive them in the mail. That was like being alone because if you were NOT in a popular city for art you wouldn't stumble upon anyone in particular who even knew of the band Gong or Popol Vuh. Sad to think of these bands not being promoted enough when their audience was growing.
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: December 07 2011 at 13:52
Hi,
Our family is heavily musical knowledgable, what with about 3k LP's of music in Santa Barbara, from the earliest music you have ever conceived of to the latest.
Because I had heard a lot of that stuff, none of it was unfamiliar to me or not something that I could enjoy, regardless of what kind of music it was. Until one day, my friend played for me something that scared the pants off me and I pooped and peed like a baby ... (not literally!) ... because it forced a complete re-evaluation of what I liked or did not know or thought music was ... Tangerine Dream's Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares" ... and on that day I learned that ... how preconceived our notions of music really are and how we think something is music and something is not because of what we have liked and heard for hundreds of years.
I turned the tables on dad, who wrote a lot of poetry on various composers during his life (Jorge Sena - Portuguese Literature), when one day I brought Tomita's "Snowflakes are Dancing" ... and he heard it in its entirety (1 point!) but could only say ... that's interesting ... which is the academic way of saying ... forget it ... so I got mad at him, called him an arts bigot and left. When I stopped by 3 weeks later mom told me that he was really upset, and that he had spent the whole night listening to Stockhausen, Housemann and other "electronic" composers, and then playing Tomita in between ... and that by 3AM he went to bed and said ... that is actually very nice music and very good interpretations of the music!
My dad also had a lot of credit and awards and commendations for his work on "quotidian studies" and "comparative literature" which is basically what I do here with Music and the arts that most folks are not capable of working with, either because they haven't read, or heard, or seen ... and that's ok ... but that was like saying that the world can only exist by what you know ... and you know that is wong!
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 07 2011 at 16:14
Maybe you should have tried Pictures At An Exhibition first. The Planets would certainly not have worked.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: December 07 2011 at 16:52
^ Imogen Holst managed to get his version of The Planets banned in the UK, it was only re-issued after she died.
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Posted By: progistoomainstream
Date Posted: December 07 2011 at 17:09
In junior high school math class, I showed a friend of mine Thick as a Brick now he is an even bigger prog nerd than me.
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: December 07 2011 at 17:09
Jeez, EVERYONE at the University of Illinois seemed to be into prog! It was very mainstream back then (1973-77), and we had our own hometown heroes in Starcastle, so I never felt isolated in the least!!
Of course, the ubiquity of marijuana didn't hurt one bit....
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 08 2011 at 16:01
Dean wrote:
^ Imogen Holst managed to get his version of The Planets banned in the UK, it was only re-issued after she died.
Yeah I heard that. And to be fair it does have some cheesy moments and some that are beautiful. I think he did a much better job with Pictures. Chicks was a little corny but not insulting to the concept of the piece that was The Ballet Of Chicks In Their Shells. Although the spaceship sound effects would not have been missed. All in all I think he did justice to it.
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Posted By: 40footwolf
Date Posted: December 13 2011 at 20:24
He wasn't someone I knew for a long time, but me and my coworker were talking about drummers and I brought up that one of my favorites was Bill Bruford. He asked who that was and I told him that he was the drummer for Yes, to which he immediately responded by singing the "DA-NA NA NUH NA NUH NA NUH NA NAH NA NUH NA-NUH!" refrain from Close to the Edge.
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: December 14 2011 at 12:45
Prog is seperated from the Classical snob world and it was written many times that prog was an emulation of Classical music. It was looked down upon by orchestra and the Classical community. Then there was this minority group of Classical musicians who were expanding into prog. During the 70's when you thought it would be a good idea to play ELP'S Tarkus at a gathering of classical players and classical music snob fans.....Hello? You just got busted! They dislike it from the moment you brought it to their attention. Many students in the music college were raised on Classical music and the practice of it since age 5. They would laugh at Tarkus and make claim that it is nothing more than Classical music incorporated and formulated into rock....which was the very thing that insulted a vast amount of the Classical community regarding prog. I experienced the extreme side to this when I worked with Classical musicians all through the 70's and 80's. People in my age group were interested in prog..but it wasn't as if they could present it to everyone in Julliard and expect a positive reaction.
In those days music communities were tough and harsh toward new styles being developed in rock. Prog rock or then termed "Art Rock" was not excepted as the new majestic approach to any creation of sorts. The Jazz community was divided in 3 parts. The young fusion players who respected prog rock, the great but snobby players who were on an ego trip, and the old guys from the 30's and 40's who excepted new styles with open arms. Les Paul really liked Jimi Hendrix and Buddy Rich admired Carl Palmer. The majority of people in the Jazz community during this period in time were unfortunately the ego trippers. This is an observation of the communities I have been involved with over the years. I am not active today due to lack of interest. You are not completely alone in your musical tastes ..but historically the percentage of people that were anti-prog have damaged the socially excepted life of prog. Prog is very much like a cult or gathering of people with a specific common interest that bonds.