http://punk77.co.uk/talkpunk/viewtopic.php?t=208 - http://punk77.co.uk/talkpunk/viewtopic.php?t=208

I think they are talking about a forum member of ours

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I think we have much more enlightened discussion over here, and a much more aesteticaly (sp?) pleasing site design

It's funny the punk77.co.uk forums are like our mirror reflection.....

One post caught my attention:

''Blinkered horses,great name for a prog band. Heard Greg Lake(of ELP infamy)on the wireless a few weeks ago.Nearly fell asleep listening to him mummbling on inanely about his glittering career, kind of says it all, pompous twat.They regularly sold out big venues...yawn, well so did Hitler and he didn't have a top forty hit either,did he ..? 'Get off yer branch and drink yer milk..' as JohnWayne said.
'Death To Prog Rock' as we said in Manchester. ''

The line about Hitler was amusing anyway.

NetsNJFan wrote: http://punk77.co.uk/talkpunk/viewtopic.php?t=208 - http://punk77.co.uk/talkpunk/viewtopic.php?t=208 I think they are talking about a forum member of ours discuss I think we have much more enlightened discussion over here, and a much more aesteticaly (sp?) pleasing site design It's funny the punk77.co.uk forums are like our mirror reflection.....

thats it, im sending them a letter...hopefuly they will bash me too, because i would take it as a compliment, anyway...the civil thing to do would be to agree to disagree...or we could all regester on that forum and declare war on punk in the name of prog, which would be more fun.

EDIT:im regestering now.

you just blew my mind gaston, thats exactly what they should do if they even had a clue to what they were trying to argue about.

http://punk77.co.uk/talkpunk/viewtopic.php?p=31186#31186 - http://punk77.co.uk/talkpunk/viewtopic.php?p=31186#31186

take that punks.

boo boo wrote: http://punk77.co.uk/talkpunk/viewtopic.php?p=31186#31186 - http://punk77.co.uk/talkpunk/viewtopic.php?p=31186#31186 take that punks.

To be honest I found the progressive defenders more close minded than the punkers, or is that just me

runs for cover knowing he shouldn't have said that

atleast the punks arnt saying punk is the only good one, their jsut saying prog is bad,

progs are saying that progs the only good one, and that punk is bad

Teaflax wrote: boo boo wrote: take that punks.   They do? I didn't even know Take That were still around.

hmm let me refrase, it was funny, but not that funny

 one is enough

this whole argument on the punk web site is making me die of laughter,

why did the progs go over there and just go off on those punk heads for no reason, the punks dont like prog so what, dont mean u go ballistic on them and go out of your way to say your music is better or that prog changes so its better, they should halve just sayd,

hey, progs better to me becasue of this reason, goodbye

that should have been it but no, a coulple of guys had to go and make progs look like a bunch of fags who pick fights with anyone who has an opinion different than theirs.

We all look like a bunch of Hitlers right now because of them, I feel like goin over there and explain taht it dont matter and that both styles of music are different and that doesnt mean one's better than the other,

can't believe the fools those progs made of us.

klaus Dinger (ex NEU!) with "neondian" made a great punk / prog album!

philippe wrote: klaus Dinger (ex NEU!) with "neondian" made a great punk / prog album!

I haven't heard it, unfortunately... but I know this one, also prog/punk:

 Personally I can't abide much in the Punk genre.  But I can see the appeal in it and I have no problem in listening to punk if it offers something that sets it apart from the crowd.

  For that reason I can't see much reason in berating them merely because they mouth off about prog.  If they choose to disregard an entire genre of music that contains much beautiful, sublime and moving material purely on the basis of fashion, then it's their loss.  If they really can't stand prog, then fine.

 Great music can be found in every genre, every style and every country.  Open your ears.

Joren wrote: philippe wrote: klaus Dinger (ex NEU!) with "neondian" made a great punk / prog album!   I haven't heard it, unfortunately... but I know this one, also prog/punk:

Indeed there are a few tunes that are punk on that lp...not bad for the beginning of 1975. Could it be that Hammill, a prog rocker,  could have been the origins of Punk? If so, how ironic.

Even Johnny Rotten of the Sex Pistols liked this lp.

Joren wrote: WHY BOTHER?

Actually , this was a fairly good laugh, but our guys did not fare too well! Actually , their forum looked a bit like the layout of ours. Some of the members sounded a bit like ours, and they swore just a tad more......... my god!!!!!! They could be our twins!!!!!

Hope these punks don't venture out here , they will laugh twice as hard as I did!!

punk was about the attitude!!!!!

Prog is about skill!

For those wanting to fuel up the battle on their forum, here is a few arguments about fallacy.

Hairdos: Punk crests against prog hairdo (generally long but not very well kept), besides the Ramones had long hair.

Stranglers: they were outcast from the punk movement because they had a KB player. But the biggest punk known was JJ Brunell their French bassist : would punch at least four people a night.

The Police: Sting was a jazzman , Copeland a proghead, Andy sommers an old hippy (played with Burdon , Soft Machine etc...) - just die their hair blond , ripped their jeans up and went on to conquer punk: fallacy!?!

The Clash sold out at the point they made their only good album, London calling. after that they were driving jags and rode limos.

Siouxie had swaztikas on her clothes and saluted as Heil H.

Commercial: this badge and clothes shops really hit big only when punks started their look thing.

opportunism: Johnny Rotten was quoted that he actually liked Floyd music but he was against big business and stadium rock.

For those wanting to fuel the fire on that Forum.......

The prog fans who went and posted on the punk forums are pathetic.  They are like those religious cults that ring your doorbell and try to get you to convert.  Nobody cares about these people and slamming the door in their face is just an annoyance.  I seriously want to go over to that forum and write an apology.  I want to tell them that not all of us are like that and that we will all leave them alone.  I'm sure if the people from there came and insulted our views and opinions on this site we'd be horribly pissed.

Forgotten Son wrote: Exorcising? Is that something you do regularly?

Curse my horrible typing! Oh well.  When in Rome. The power of Christ compels you!

Here is some anti-Clash ammunition to fire at the punks:

Joe Strummer was a diplomat's son - he wrote songs about revolution but never went so far as to actually go and fight in one, preferring to live in his London squat with fellow 'slumming it' rich kid Jasper Conran (ie. he was just another middle class prat playing at being a revolutionary).

The Clash's White Riot was adopted as an anthem by racist British neo-Nazis (oops!).

The Clash produced Sandinista, a triple 'concept' album (oh, the irony) based around the theme of rebels and the oppressed. The Sandinista were Nicaraguan 'freedom fighters' whose troops committed massacres in which dozens of indigenous people were killed and buried in mass graves (pretty suspect for a concept methinks - I'll take mechanical armadillos or topographic oceans any time).

In short the Clash were posturing phonies who produced three or four good singles - better than Genesis managed in the 80s maybe but not much to hang a 'legend' on.

The Minstrel wrote: The prog fans who went and posted on the punk forums are pathetic.  They are like those religious cults that ring your doorbell and try to get you to convert.  Nobody cares about these people and slamming the door in their face is just an annoyance.  I seriously want to go over to that forum and write an apology.  I want to tell them that not all of us are like that and that we will all leave them alone.  I'm sure if the people from there came and insulted our views and opinions on this site we'd be horribly pissed.

...my thoughts precisely. While I think their music is tripe, I wouldn't waste my time going over to their forum and giving them a hard time about their music tastes.

What do we call that again?........TROLLS!!

Fragile wrote: gdub411 wrote: The Minstrel wrote: The prog fans who went and posted on the punk forums are pathetic.  They are like those religious cults that ring your doorbell and try to get you to convert.  Nobody cares about these people and slamming the door in their face is just an annoyance.  I seriously want to go over to that forum and write an apology.  I want to tell them that not all of us are like that and that we will all leave them alone.  I'm sure if the people from there came and insulted our views and opinions on this site we'd be horribly pissed. ...my thoughts precisely. While I think their music is tripe, I wouldn't waste my time going over to their forum and giving them a hard time about their music tastes. What do we call that again?........TROLLS!! Right Gdub this is twice within a week I find myself not disputing your usual wayward thoughts!! What's happening to me??? I'm in total agreeance leave those spunks to their own sites and their music to stun pigs.

You know what I find amazing. You once told me you never read my posts because I never had anything worthwhile to say....twice in a week you have read my posts. I think I'm going to cry.

Drachen teaker wrote :

Here is some anti-Clash ammunition to fire at the punks:

Really I don't think we shouldn't involve The Clash into a discussion to proof punk is bad. Because of the following reasons :

• a good guy - bad guy discussion is always stupid. We're talking 'bout music and that's got something to do with musical taste and you can't discuss on that issue. Either you like The Clash or you don't and that's it, it proves nothing.
• This band was one of the few that proved some of music which was classified as punk had some musical interesting influences, you can like it or not but the melodies are strong, the songs are decent, I will not deny I really like some of their stuff and that's something no one should be embarrassed with. For me, bands like The Stranglers or this band were the best of what this genre had to offer.
• Personal attacks to the background of some of the musicians are childish. It doesn't mean anything. Pere Hammill was the son a captan of industry ; does this mean you should or shouldn't enjoy his music ? I don't think so ! Every person has the right to choose what he stands for and this can be different to what his parents stands for. Otherwise the world would be a boring place to live, you would be able to classify every person by knowing the home where he grew up.
• It is possible to show the negative sides from every social movement even if these bad examples are in contrary with the ideals of that same movement. It may be repulsive ; again, it doesn't mean the band didn't release decent stuff which is enjoyable
• At the time punk was reacting against many things, progressive rock was just one of these elements and everyone has the right to have it's own opinion. The way of reacting may come across as immature but that's their problem, it's not ours.  

Fishy wrote: Drachen teaker wrote : Here is some anti-Clash ammunition to fire at the punks: Really I don't think we shouldn't involve The Clash into a discussion to proof punk is bad. Because of the following reasons : a good guy - bad guy discussion is always stupid. We're talking 'bout music and that's got something to do with musical taste and you can't discuss on that issue. Either you like The Clash or you don't and that's it, it proves nothing. This band was one of the few that proved some of music which was classified as punk had some musical interesting influences, you can like it or not but the melodies are strong, the songs are decent, I will not deny I really like some of their stuff and that's something no one should be embarrassed with. For me, bands like The Stranglers or this band were the best of what this genre had to offer. Personal attacks to the background of some of the musicians are childish. It doesn't mean anything. Pere Hammill was the son a captan of industry ; does this mean you should or shouldn't enjoy his music ? I don't think so ! Every person has the right to choose what he stands for and this can be different to what his parents stands for. Otherwise the world would be a boring place to live, you would be able to classify every person by knowing the home where he grew up. It is possible to show the negative sides from every social movement even if these bad examples are in contrary with the ideals of that same movement. It may be repulsive ; again, it doesn't mean the band didn't release decent stuff which is enjoyable At the time punk was reacting against many things, progressive rock was just one of these elements and everyone has the right to have it's own opinion. The way of reacting may come across as immature but that's their problem, it's not ours.

Your quite right Fishy, I was being very childish (but I bloody well enjoyed writing it!).

I know a couple of Clash fans at work (who I'm actually quite friendly with so long as we avoid music) and if I'm ever foolish enough to mention my liking for prog they always come out with the inevitable hoary old cliches about triple concept albums and 20 minute drum solos, as though that's what the music consisted of.

Being a bit of a wind-up merchant I've found that some of the comments I listed above are amusingly effective at arousing their ire. In my experience it's usually punks who make an issue over bands' backgrounds. My barbs about Joe Strummer were used on one of the Clash fans who called Yes a bunch of 'middle class t*ssers', coneveniently forgetting the roots of his own hero (and ignorant of the fact that Jon Anderson of Yes was a former milkman from Accrington with more prole credentials than Mr Strummer).

I really couldn't give a monkey's what class Strummer's parents were, but I object when people try to portray bands like the Clash (and punk per se) as somehow more 'authentic' than prog music because of the 'street' image they portrayed.

As you say, everyone has the right to their own opinion and that is mine... 

Fragile wrote: I'm crying right now

Hahahaha, let's invade that site! And destroy them! hahaha, die you dirty slutty punks!

AtomHeartMother wrote: atleast the punks arnt saying punk is the only good one, their jsut saying prog is bad, progs are saying that progs the only good one, and that punk is bad

oh no, you should come to know that a lot of prog fans enjoy classical music and jazz just as much, as well as more desperate styles of music.

boo boo wrote: AtomHeartMother wrote: atleast the punks arnt saying punk is the only good one, their jsut saying prog is bad, progs are saying that progs the only good one, and that punk is bad oh no, you should come to know that a lot of prog fans enjoy classical music and jazz just as much, as well as more desperate styles of music.

i was saying that on the punk web site it looks like the progs only like prog and no other style.

yes on this web site i can clearly see that everyone like many styles not just prog.

AtomHeartMother wrote: boo boo wrote: AtomHeartMother wrote: atleast the punks arnt saying punk is the only good one, their jsut saying prog is bad, progs are saying that progs the only good one, and that punk is bad oh no, you should come to know that a lot of prog fans enjoy classical music and jazz just as much, as well as more desperate styles of music. i was saying that on the punk web site it looks like the progs only like prog and no other style.

well, this forum has more open minded members, expecialy when prog fans can respect the principles of punk weither they like it or not, why cant these punk fans do the same for prog?, or any other genre they think are below them?, why?, WHY?

Man Overboard wrote: There's more than meets the eye.  I took at look at their forum, there are positive threads about Hammill, VdGG, and other prog staples. What I REALLY find interesting is how people try to suck bands they like into their genre to feel validated.  I saw a post trying to explain why DSoTM was pop, not prog, therefore under the umbrella of acceptable music.

listen to on the run and tell me thats pop...and thats my point, to these guys its not acceptable if its not pop, thats why the only prog bands they like are ones with elements of pop music...such as hawkwind.

boo boo wrote: oh no, you should come to know that a lot of prog fans enjoy classical music and jazz just as much, as well as more desperate styles of music.

*disparate

Sorry, had to be done

goose wrote: boo boo wrote: oh no, you should come to know that a lot of prog fans enjoy classical music and jazz just as much, as well as more desperate styles of music. *disparate Sorry, had to be done

thats ok, i admit my grammar is crap...though i do tend to type very fast.

Man Overboard wrote: It's not just that site that does it, bro.  I've seen it on every music forum I've ever posted at, for every genre.

well, there its the common misconception that all songs should be 2 minute pop songs...and i post on a lot of music forums, and they are not clueless like these guys are.

Man Overboard wrote: I'm talking about people sucking music they like into their genre to try to make it 'acceptable'.

i am so guilty of that if I like I always try to make it seem like prog.  CSNY, still cant find ways to make that prog though.

Man Overboard wrote: I'm talking about people sucking music they like into their genre to try to make it 'acceptable'.

haha...i know that feeling, i once got in a big arguement with ivan melgar morey on digitaldreamdoor.com after trying to suggest that bjork could be prog...we tore each other apart, ah...good times, good times...where is ivan by the way?, i miss the guy.

NetsNJFan wrote: And by the way, I did not start this thread to bash punk, I just throught it was an interesting mirror to our sites discussion on punk.

I agree and also to see how opinions differ.

Hi, you prog fans, and thank you to give me the possibility to discover music... So to honor you, I send you a message I wrote to nice punks out there... Enjoy!

Slim City wrote: Blinkered horses,great name for a prog band. Heard Greg Lake(of ELP infamy)on the wireless a  few weeks ago.Nearly fell asleep listening to him mummbling on inanely about his glittering career, kind of says it all, pompous twat.They regularly sold out big venues...yawn, well so did Hitler and he didn't have a top forty hit either,did he ..?  :x  'Get off yer branch and drink yer milk..' as JohnWayne said.  'Death To Prog Rock' as we said in Manchester. :wink:

Hi, all of you!  Well, I just read a lot of texts here, and I'm laughing a lot...  You know, I'm only 17 years old, and I began to listen music by the good way.  There was two possibilities: punk or rap.  I prefered punk, so I began to listen at gay commercial punk like Blink and Good Charlotte..  After checking a little, I discovered better punks: Rancid, Nofx and Big Wig...  That was tru punk, people said to me.  So I checked what was true punk, and it saved me...  Sex Pistols, Ramones and The Clash...  I won't mention Exploited or Casualties, cuz those sh*ti wannabies aren't even call musiciens:)  So by looking at those old founders of punk, I discoverd Led Zep and Deep Purple...  It was similar, but really better in compostion, not only powerchords and lyrics about freedom and government that doesn't make its job...  Then, I saw Pink Floyd, who was between rock and prog rock, and discovered all of your favourite bands, Genesis, Yes, ELP, etc...  I thank God for opening my eyes and my ears to realize how low was punk in music...  And all of punks too:)  « Hey, what's the problem to do 15 minutes songs that make us fall asleep? »  2 weeks ago, I relistened to my old punk cds and laugh so much...  2 minutes songs with a chorus that comes 5 times...  What a composition, yes!  But I don't laugh at people who listen at punk, they have the right to do it, so...  What's funny, too, is to see a page like that about punks who don't like a style of music... way better than punk, by the way...  Well I like to see you yelling Dead to prog rock!!  Give me a reason why it should die?  Because all of you can't even understand what is music?  Because Roger Waters' bass is too beautiful compared to Syd Vicious'?  Hello, there...  We don't tell you that you listen to powerchorders that don't know what's music, so why should you?  Because you're all very intelligent, of course, juste enough to know what music is:)  To conclude, my dear friends, I'd like to tell you that you're right to protest when people say that punk is dead...  You know what?  It's never born...

Thank you, all of you folks, and I'm excited so read your replies...

                                          Harold Dupont (nice name, hé?)

AtomHeartMother wrote: so Harold Dupont are u happy that the progs said punk was gay on thier own web site, or are u mad at the progs for goin to thier web site and saying their music sucks? i cant tell.

i dont go there to say punk sucks, i was just questioning their love for punk and hate for everything else...especialy prog...so far people keep dodging my questions.

i dont think prog n punk are opposittes in fact

i would consider the prog musicians sort of like punks at the time except they new there instruments better alot better

does anybody share this opinion or am i just crazy

Hemispheres wrote: i dont think prog n punk are opposittes in fact i would consider the prog musicians sort of like punks at the time except they new there instruments better alot better does anybody share this opinion or am i just crazy

I disagree, I think they are diametically opposed.

Prog tries to elevate Rock Music to an artform, through the use of jazz, classical, folk, and literary/mythological influences, coupled with innovative composition (extended beyond the simple pop-song structure) and technical proficiency.

Punk is about a look.  It's about hating everything in sight and screaming about it in monotonous verse-chorus-verse songs over the course of 2:30 minutes.
^I know, I really don't sound any better than punks bashing prog, but compared with Classical, Prog, and Jazz I really have no patience for punk.

Hemispheres wrote: i dont think prog n punk are opposittes in fact i would consider the prog musicians sort of like punks at the time except they new there instruments better alot better does anybody share this opinion or am i just crazy

not at all...heres the similaritys.

anti conventional music that dosent follow the rules.

both died out as soon as they started.

similar politcal views about society, war and freedom.

horrible taste in fassion. =)

both are still active today but are now underground.

both are influencial and important to the history of music.

kingofbizzare wrote: I thought this was pretty funny: "Granted, some stuff is worth a listen ( Yes's tales of topographic oceans is a reasonable example) but the crux of the matter is Prog rock was so pretentious, boring, and created by breadheads with too much time on their hands and too many hallucenogenics in their heads." I think someone should post a link to this forum on their forum. It'll let them see how tolerant some of us are and maybe some of them will find some prog and enjoy it.

and let them invade our forum?...hmm, im not sure about that, but whatever, i just dont want anything on this forum to get ugly.

boo boo wrote: kingofbizzare wrote: I thought this was pretty funny: "Granted, some stuff is worth a listen ( Yes's tales of topographic oceans is a reasonable example) but the crux of the matter is Prog rock was so pretentious, boring, and created by breadheads with too much time on their hands and too many hallucenogenics in their heads." I think someone should post a link to this forum on their forum. It'll let them see how tolerant some of us are and maybe some of them will find some prog and enjoy it. and let them invade our forum?...hmm, im not sure about that, but whatever, i just dont want anything on this forum to get ugly.

indeed.  when I posted this thread I never meant for a whole bunch of us to go over there and mess with them, there is no changing their minds so whats the point.

i especially would not want them here.

NetsNJFan wrote: indeed.  when I posted this thread I never meant for a whole bunch of us to go over there and mess with them, there is no changing their minds so whats the point.

at least we tried. =(

Teaflax wrote: This - and the other thread on the same subject - contain some of the saddest excuses for arguments I've seen. It's childish territorial squabbling of the kind that does no one any good whatsoever.   You're like Wolverhampton Wanderers supporters chiding Liverpool fans, like badminton players spitting on golfers, like PC freaks dissing Mac heads, like Swedes denigrating Norwegians, like Piper flyers looking down their noses att Cessna pilots, like Ferarri tifosi laughing at McLaren followers... In short, you're just being incredibly childish.   And what does it say about you that you feel the need to justify yourself to people you obviously consider way below you? Either you don't really believe that they're that stupid and clueless, or you have some serious self-esteem issues to work through.

Wolverhampton Wanderers is the greatest football club in the world.Fact! (I'll fight anyone that doesn't agree )

richardh wrote: Teaflax wrote: This - and the other thread on the same subject - contain some of the saddest excuses for arguments I've seen. It's childish territorial squabbling of the kind that does no one any good whatsoever.   You're like Wolverhampton Wanderers supporters chiding Liverpool fans, like badminton players spitting on golfers, like PC freaks dissing Mac heads, like Swedes denigrating Norwegians, like Piper flyers looking down their noses att Cessna pilots, like Ferarri tifosi laughing at McLaren followers... In short, you're just being incredibly childish.   And what does it say about you that you feel the need to justify yourself to people you obviously consider way below you? Either you don't really believe that they're that stupid and clueless, or you have some serious self-esteem issues to work through. Wolverhampton Wanderers is the greatest football club in the world.Fact! (I'll fight anyone that doesn't agree )

I believe the NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS are the  greatest football club in the world.

"I'm probably the most sympathetic towards Pink Floyd on this message board, but Animals was a potentially decent record (I saw them play most of it live at Wembley in 1974) that was littered with Gilmours meandering and pointless blues guitar and the Wall was the most self pitying, over blown, self indulgent heap of drivel imagineable.They progressed about as much as my nan, and she's been dead for 50 years."

this is what one of the forums senior members said, by far some of the most ignorant words ever spoken.

boo boo wrote: "I'm probably the most sympathetic towards Pink Floyd on this message board, but Animals was a potentially decent record (I saw them play most of it live at Wembley in 1974) that was littered with Gilmours meandering and pointless blues guitar and the Wall was the most self pitying, over blown, self indulgent heap of drivel imagineable.They progressed about as much as my nan, and she's been dead for 50 years." this is what one of the forums senior members said, by far some of the most ignorant words ever spoken.

It pretty much sums up what i think of Animals, meandering and pointless. And it wouldn't occur to me to call The Wall really progressive

I think I'm going to move to the punk side of the force

I hope they have some good threads about neo-punk, and maybe some nightmare theater bashing

boo boo wrote: Man Overboard wrote: There's more than meets the eye.  I took at look at their forum, there are positive threads about Hammill, VdGG, and other prog staples. What I REALLY find interesting is how people try to suck bands they like into their genre to feel validated.  I saw a post trying to explain why DSoTM was pop, not prog, therefore under the umbrella of acceptable music. listen to on the run and tell me thats pop...and thats my point, to these guys its not acceptable if its not pop, thats why the only prog bands they like are ones with elements of pop music...such as hawkwind.

I think DSOTM is more pop than prog.

Trouserpress wrote: The sight of a punk forum that censors the word "sh*t" amused me greatly.

 The irony!

I read the thread on the punk forum, and the post made by most prog fans seem more immature than the ones by punker... sorry, but that's what I think. The 'prog is great, punk suck' thing is kind of shameful for us... They should be the ones saying these kind of things...

I also saw they really have no arguments against prog. Really nothing to says. I guess they doesn't even knows why they hate it. They just hate them because every punkers does...

Borealis wrote: I read the thread on the punk forum, and the post made by most prog fans seem more immature than the ones by punker... sorry, but that's what I think. The 'prog is great, punk suck' thing is kind of shameful for us... They should be the ones saying these kind of things... I also saw they really have no arguments against prog. Really nothing to says. I guess they doesn't even knows why they hate it. They just hate them because every punkers does...

I agree.  Some of us, who went and picked fights, looked like morons, insulting them over there, it was dumb.  Some of us really did not look good. 

tuxon wrote: boo boo wrote: "I'm probably the most sympathetic towards Pink Floyd on this message board, but Animals was a potentially decent record (I saw them play most of it live at Wembley in 1974) that was littered with Gilmours meandering and pointless blues guitar and the Wall was the most self pitying, over blown, self indulgent heap of drivel imagineable.They progressed about as much as my nan, and she's been dead for 50 years." this is what one of the forums senior members said, by far some of the most ignorant words ever spoken. It pretty much sums up what i think of Animals, meandering and pointless. And it wouldn't occur to me to call The Wall really progressive I think I'm going to move to the punk side of the force I hope they have some good threads about neo-punk, and maybe some nightmare theater bashing

pointless?, i thought it had a great point to it, the references comparing man to animals and waters lyrics were brillant...and amazing guitar playing from gilmour...there was a lot of satire but some personal emotion involved as well...its one of floyds best...as is the wall, which is mostly a rock opera...not as prog as floyds other projects but still prog....to say floyd hasnt progressed since DSOTM is just plain stupid. =(

boo boo wrote: tuxon wrote: boo boo wrote: "I'm probably the most sympathetic towards Pink Floyd on this message board, but Animals was a potentially decent record (I saw them play most of it live at Wembley in 1974) that was littered with Gilmours meandering and pointless blues guitar and the Wall was the most self pitying, over blown, self indulgent heap of drivel imagineable.They progressed about as much as my nan, and she's been dead for 50 years." this is what one of the forums senior members said, by far some of the most ignorant words ever spoken. It pretty much sums up what i think of Animals, meandering and pointless. And it wouldn't occur to me to call The Wall really progressive I think I'm going to move to the punk side of the force I hope they have some good threads about neo-punk, and maybe some nightmare theater bashing   pointless?, i thought it had a great point to it, the references comparing man to animals and waters lyrics were brillant...and amazing guitar playing from gilmour...there was a lot of satire but some personal emotion involved as well...its one of floyds best...as is the wall, which is mostly a rock opera...not as prog as floyds other projects but still prog....to say floyd hasnt progressed since DSOTM is just plain stupid. =(

Animals is a great lp..don't let that Styx loving Tuxon tell you otherwise.

gdub411 wrote: boo boo wrote: tuxon wrote: boo boo wrote: "I'm probably the most sympathetic towards Pink Floyd on this message board, but Animals was a potentially decent record (I saw them play most of it live at Wembley in 1974) that was littered with Gilmours meandering and pointless blues guitar and the Wall was the most self pitying, over blown, self indulgent heap of drivel imagineable.They progressed about as much as my nan, and she's been dead for 50 years." this is what one of the forums senior members said, by far some of the most ignorant words ever spoken. It pretty much sums up what i think of Animals, meandering and pointless. And it wouldn't occur to me to call The Wall really progressive I think I'm going to move to the punk side of the force I hope they have some good threads about neo-punk, and maybe some nightmare theater bashing   pointless?, i thought it had a great point to it, the references comparing man to animals and waters lyrics were brillant...and amazing guitar playing from gilmour...there was a lot of satire but some personal emotion involved as well...its one of floyds best...as is the wall, which is mostly a rock opera...not as prog as floyds other projects but still prog....to say floyd hasnt progressed since DSOTM is just plain stupid. =( Animals is a great lp..don't let that Styx loving Tuxon tell you otherwise.

thanks for the info, now i know how to make him cry when we have an arguement. =)

gdub411 wrote: boo boo wrote: tuxon wrote: boo boo wrote: "I'm probably the most sympathetic towards Pink Floyd on this message board, but Animals was a potentially decent record (I saw them play most of it live at Wembley in 1974) that was littered with Gilmours meandering and pointless blues guitar and the Wall was the most self pitying, over blown, self indulgent heap of drivel imagineable.They progressed about as much as my nan, and she's been dead for 50 years." this is what one of the forums senior members said, by far some of the most ignorant words ever spoken. It pretty much sums up what i think of Animals, meandering and pointless. And it wouldn't occur to me to call The Wall really progressive I think I'm going to move to the punk side of the force I hope they have some good threads about neo-punk, and maybe some nightmare theater bashing   pointless?, i thought it had a great point to it, the references comparing man to animals and waters lyrics were brillant...and amazing guitar playing from gilmour...there was a lot of satire but some personal emotion involved as well...its one of floyds best...as is the wall, which is mostly a rock opera...not as prog as floyds other projects but still prog....to say floyd hasnt progressed since DSOTM is just plain stupid. =( Animals is a great lp..don't let that Styx loving Tuxon tell you otherwise.

 that's a new insult I hadn't heard that one before.

Well you're a VDGG apreciating guy yourself.

tuxon wrote: gdub411 wrote: boo boo wrote: tuxon wrote: boo boo wrote: "I'm probably the most sympathetic towards Pink Floyd on this message board, but Animals was a potentially decent record (I saw them play most of it live at Wembley in 1974) that was littered with Gilmours meandering and pointless blues guitar and the Wall was the most self pitying, over blown, self indulgent heap of drivel imagineable.They progressed about as much as my nan, and she's been dead for 50 years." this is what one of the forums senior members said, by far some of the most ignorant words ever spoken. It pretty much sums up what i think of Animals, meandering and pointless. And it wouldn't occur to me to call The Wall really progressive I think I'm going to move to the punk side of the force I hope they have some good threads about neo-punk, and maybe some nightmare theater bashing   pointless?, i thought it had a great point to it, the references comparing man to animals and waters lyrics were brillant...and amazing guitar playing from gilmour...there was a lot of satire but some personal emotion involved as well...its one of floyds best...as is the wall, which is mostly a rock opera...not as prog as floyds other projects but still prog....to say floyd hasnt progressed since DSOTM is just plain stupid. =( Animals is a great lp..don't let that Styx loving Tuxon tell you otherwise.  that's a new insult I hadn't heard that one before. Well you're a VDGG apreciating guy yourself.

Well I try to keep the kiddie gloves on when I "attack" you as you are one of my favorites here.