The Underground seemed to be a seperate issue as it was rep[orted a long time before. It was attributed to a "Power Surge". One wonders in hindsight if this is so as its a heck of a coincidence!

Bombs have gone off on the London Underground and on buses.

Eye-witnesses say that there have been "casualties" on a train......

Here we go again.....

Snow Dog wrote: Maybe its the French! They are mighty pissed about the Olympic Bid!

I don't think it's a good time for jokes...

Tough times, guys...  London!

So who?

Anarchists (G8 conference)
Al Qaeda

Surely not Ireland....

My guess something linked to the G8 meeting in Scotland.

Explosions at  6 strategic main line stations on the underground and on a couple of buses... a tube train has gone into the back of another... police now saying 90 casualties at Aldgate alone...

The tales coming back about the buses alone are horrific, and there are stories of bodies on the tube tracks.

This is very bad.

I wonder what Tony Blair and George Bush will do by way of reprise - Iran anyone?

I work very near London, and some of my colleagues have not been able to get in from the city - thankfully we've heard from all of them.

Certif1ed wrote: Explosions at  6 strategic main line stations on the underground and on a couple of buses... a tube train has gone into the back of another... police now saying 90 casualties at Aldgate alone... The tales coming back about the buses alone are horrific, and there are stories of bodies on the tube tracks. This is very bad. I wonder what Tony Blair and George Bush will do by way of reprise - Iran anyone? I work very near London, and some of my colleagues have not been able to get in from the city - thankfully we've heard from all of them.

Yeah,fortunately my brother set off for work after this happened.Thankfully he is at home now.

Unfortunately not everyone will get home today.......

barbs wrote: Tony R wrote: Bombs have gone off on the London Underground and on buses. Eye-witnesses say that there have been "casualties" on a train...... Here we go again..... How can this be stopped?   There doesn't seem to be an answer since they let the cat out of the bag a long time ago. Trouble is mad fanatisism only ever feeds negative response and repercussions allround. Mistrust, villification, mandatory detention, rights and liberties strained and fast-tracking of policies on the basis of fear Orwellian social policies seen as the only way to 'bring things under control'. Cameras on every corner, greater power to intelligence gathering organisations (all with possibly some form of justification but always 'power corrupts'). I fear for my grandchildren more than anything. The uncertainty of the world they are going to inherit.

We can do something about inequality,but seemingly nothing about conflicting ideologies........ Mankind will never be satisfied with the "status quo" even in a utopia.

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We can do something about inequality,but seemingly nothing about conflicting ideologies........ Mankind will never be satisfied with the "status quo" even in a utopia.

Trouserpress wrote: Bloody horrific. Let's just hope that we don't go into any knee-jerk reactions a la the US and we react with dignity, not violence.

I second that

This is terrible but we have been expecting a terrorist attack on the capital for a while.The timing is not surprising really.(G8 and the Olympic celebrations.) .I don't think there will be any knee jerk reaction as such.We have had IRA atrocities on mainland GB for years like the Warrington bombings.All it will do is strengthen our resolve to defeat terrorism.

Do not call the emergency services unless your life is in danger, by the way.

richardh wrote: This is terrible but we have been expecting a terrorist attack on the capital for a while.The timing is not surprising really.(G8 and the Olympic celebrations.) .I don't think there will be any knee jerk reaction as such.We have had IRA atrocities on mainland GB for years like the Warrington bombings.All it will do is strengthen our resolve to defeat terrorism.

I think the Olympics is just a coincidence: they can't have planned it all in less than 24 hours, and surely they weren't expecting London to get it. I think it's the G8 and of course London has always been a tempting target for them... bastards!

Snow Dog wrote: Maybe its the French! They are mighty pissed about the Olympic Bid!

One Chirac farth would be enough to annilhilate the whole of  Great Britain, so that's not it. No need of bombs in the subway!

Some have sp[oken of the IRA , but as with Madrid last year and the Basques , I do not believe a word of it.

This leaves IRAK!!!!!

My prayers go out to all involved.  I hope all our London friends are home and safe!!  I do think its been confirmed as Islamic terrorists. 

ONE THING I HAVE ALWAYS ADMIRED ABOUT THE BRITISH IS THEIR MARVELLOUS SENSE OF HUMOUR,FROM MONTY PYTHON TO MORCOMBE AND WISE,THE GREAT EALING COMEDIES OF THE FORTIES AND FIFTIES,THE GOODIES,THE CARRY ON MOVIES,THE GREAT COMEDIANS...

THE LIST GOES ON AND ON

THAT SENSE OF HUMOUR HAS COME THROUGH AND CARRIED BRITAIN THROUGH ITS DARKEST HOURS OF WAR AND HARDSHIP(AND CRICKET LOSSES TO AUSTRALIA!) AND HAS BEEN AWONDERFUL EXAMPLE OF HUMAN ENDURANCE AND COURAGE IN TRYING TIMES.

AND NOW WE HAVE ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THAT FOIBLE OF HUMAN NATURE THAT ALLOWS THE BITTER DARKNESS OF FANATICAL HATRED TO COMMIT PEOPLE TO ACTS OF CRUEL DEPRAVITY,TO SHORT CIRCUIT THAT SENSE OF MORAL PROPORTION THAT RECOGNISES THE RIGHT OF EXISTANCE NO MATTER WHAT ONES BELEIF IS.

I HOPE THAT SENSE OF HUMOUR SHINES THROUGH AND SHOWS THE WORLD ONCE AGAIN THAT THE PEOPLE OF BRITAIN ARE BETTER THAN THE ANIMALS THAT PREY ON THEM.

I also offer my deepest most sincere prayers and support for our British friends.  There is no excuse for barbarity of this nature.  No religion - not even Islam - supports it (unless it is deliberately misinterpreted for narrow-minded, self-serving ends).

I agree with those who hope that Blair and England will not respond to this the way Bush and the U.S. did after 9/11: that cooler heads will prevail.

I am damn neaar shocked into silence.

Peace.  (And I really mean that.)

I am horrified by the act, yet relieved that our forum breathren appear to have been spared any direct contact with the incident.   My first thoughts this morning as I turned on the news was you, my forum friends. My heart swells with relief. Stay safe, all.

How do you educate fanatical extremists? Are there any answers or just more violence... Isolationism is not possible in a world community that we share.

The world cries again today.

Hammill wrote: danbo wrote: I am horrified by the act, yet relieved that our forum breathren appear to have been spared any direct contact with the incident.   My first thoughts this morning as I turned on the news was you, my forum friends. My heart swells with relief. Stay safe, all. How do you educate fanatical extremists? Are there any answers or just more violence... Isolationism is not possible in a world community that we share. The world cries again today. the world also cries for the attack in iraq mate, and in afghanistan and in jugoslavia and and and and......anyway....peace once and for all!

Isolationism is the answer to everything because they WILL NOT attack you most of the time.

Trouserpress wrote: The latest I've heard on a political level (sorry, my instinct is always to look at things from this perspective) is that a group who claim to be affiliated with Al Quaida but who until today have remained silent have claimed responsibility for the attacks on a website. Why did they (claim to) do this? The British involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan.  I'm sorry to say this, but I'm not in the least bit surprised.

It has nothing to do with that really.  It only has to do with hate and total fanaticism... nothing as logical as what you suggest.  If it were that they would of done something ages ago... and they would of attacked political or military locations.  But no, they attack your finanicial area... just as they did here...

They really do think that if they take us down financially they can rule the world....

As I have said before:

We are all in this together.These atrocities are not committed against Americans or Britons or Iraqis-they are committed against Human Beings.

One more sorry example of "man's inhumanity to man".......

See this:

A group calling itself “The Secret Organization of al-Qaida in Europe” posted a claim of responsibility for Thursday’s blasts in London, saying they were in retaliation for Britain’s involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The authenticity of the message could not be immediately confirmed.

The statement, which also threatened attacks in Italy and Denmark, was published on a Web site popular with Islamic militants, according to Elaph, a secular Arabic-language news Web site, and Der Spiegel magazine in Berlin, which published the text on their Web sites.

“Rejoice, Islamic nation. Rejoice, Arab world. The time has come for vengeance against the Zionist crusader government of Britain in response to the massacres Britain committed in Iraq and Afghanistan."

- msn.com

Trouserpress wrote: Bloody horrific. Let's just hope that we don't go into any knee-jerk reactions a la the US and we react with dignity, not violence.

I think it would be amazing if we as human beings could take to these things and not sink to the level of the terrorists. I hope if any military action is taken it involves as little civilian casualties as possible (no bombing of buildings etc..)

Tony R wrote: As I have said before: We are all in this together.These atrocities are not committed against Americans or Britons or Iraqis-they are committed against Human Beings. One more sorry example of "man's inhumanity to man".......

Yes, these atrocities are unspeakable, and I think this proves that terrorists are not just a threat to U.S. but to the whole free world. Dark Times are upon us

Forgotten Son wrote: I think suggesting they want to rule the world is oversimplification too. They aren't the evil daemons hell bent on total destruction. They have their own values etc Just very unpleasant ways of trying to achieve them.

They don't have acceptable values if they're prepared to kill people. They may not be hell bent on total destruction, but they're hell bent on enforcing their idea of a God (who's probably rather upset of the evils done in His name) into every living person. I say to hell with 'em. I'd rather be an infidel than a maniac.

Believe in what you like, but believe first in peace.

Trouserpress wrote: threefates wrote: Trouserpress wrote: The latest I've heard on a political level (sorry, my instinct is always to look at things from this perspective) is that a group who claim to be affiliated with Al Quaida but who until today have remained silent have claimed responsibility for the attacks on a website. Why did they (claim to) do this? The British involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan.  I'm sorry to say this, but I'm not in the least bit surprised. It has nothing to do with that really.  It only has to do with hate and total fanaticism... nothing as logical as what you suggest.  If it were that they would of done something ages ago... and they would of attacked political or military locations.  But no, they attack your finanicial area... just as they did here... They really do think that if they take us down financially they can rule the world.... I am certain that the recent wars we've fought with America are a contributing factor in spurring these fanatics and fueling their hate further and further. It's an unspeakable act, but I'm afraid I personally don't see the lives lost today as being any more tragic than those we have needlessly taken in Iraq.

Well, considering the British involvement in creating this geopolitical mess in the first place, you better be over there helping to clean it up.

Sincerest sympathies to anyone on the forum affected by this, and also to all those who know nothing of this forum.

I know from having lived in London the disruption caused by just one cancelled train, so even those not directly caught up in the atrocities will have endured a tough and distressing day.

Trouserpress wrote: bluetailfly wrote: Trouserpress wrote: threefates wrote: Trouserpress wrote: The latest I've heard on a political level (sorry, my instinct is always to look at things from this perspective) is that a group who claim to be affiliated with Al Quaida but who until today have remained silent have claimed responsibility for the attacks on a website. Why did they (claim to) do this? The British involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan.  I'm sorry to say this, but I'm not in the least bit surprised. It has nothing to do with that really.  It only has to do with hate and total fanaticism... nothing as logical as what you suggest.  If it were that they would of done something ages ago... and they would of attacked political or military locations.  But no, they attack your finanicial area... just as they did here... They really do think that if they take us down financially they can rule the world.... I am certain that the recent wars we've fought with America are a contributing factor in spurring these fanatics and fueling their hate further and further. It's an unspeakable act, but I'm afraid I personally don't see the lives lost today as being any more tragic than those we have needlessly taken in Iraq. Well, considering the British involvement in creating this geopolitical mess in the first place, you better be over there helping to clean it up. Why should I accept personal responsibility for the actions of a government I was too young to vote in?

That's a ludicrous argument. You are born into a socio-political continuum and become involved whether you want to be or not. You are living and profiting via the British government policies, some of which were set into place long ago. You as a British citizen have a resposibility to try to undo or at least provide reparations for the geopolitical damage your government has wrought in the middle east.

I as an American have the same responsibility. Just because I wasn't around during the time of slavery, I still feel that we as a nation of people need to do all we can to undo the unhealthy patterns started by the practice that have not ended.

I believe in accountability.

Tony R wrote: As I have said before: We are all in this together.These atrocities are not committed against Americans or Britons or Iraqis-they are committed against Human Beings. One more sorry example of "man's inhumanity to man".......

Well said. Some of the potential arguments trying to spring up this thread are making me ill...or should i say more ill as I am totally sick with grief.

Right now is not the time for arguments and opinions. That is neither here nor there. I only care for the the deceased, their families and the ones who may be still trapped down there.

Trouserpress wrote: bluetailfly wrote: Trouserpress wrote: bluetailfly wrote: Trouserpress wrote: threefates wrote: Trouserpress wrote: The latest I've heard on a political level (sorry, my instinct is always to look at things from this perspective) is that a group who claim to be affiliated with Al Quaida but who until today have remained silent have claimed responsibility for the attacks on a website. Why did they (claim to) do this? The British involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan.  I'm sorry to say this, but I'm not in the least bit surprised. It has nothing to do with that really.  It only has to do with hate and total fanaticism... nothing as logical as what you suggest.  If it were that they would of done something ages ago... and they would of attacked political or military locations.  But no, they attack your finanicial area... just as they did here... They really do think that if they take us down financially they can rule the world.... I am certain that the recent wars we've fought with America are a contributing factor in spurring these fanatics and fueling their hate further and further. It's an unspeakable act, but I'm afraid I personally don't see the lives lost today as being any more tragic than those we have needlessly taken in Iraq. Well, considering the British involvement in creating this geopolitical mess in the first place, you better be over there helping to clean it up. Why should I accept personal responsibility for the actions of a government I was too young to vote in? That's a ludicrous argument. You are born into a socio-political continuum and become involved whether you want to be or not. You are living and profiting via the British government policies, some of which were set into place long ago. You as a British citizen have a resposibility to try to undo or at least provide reparations for the geopolitical damage your government has wrought in the middle east. I as an American have the same responsibility. Just because I wasn't around during the time of slavery, I still feel that we as a nation of people need to do all we can to undo the unhealthy patterns started by the practice that have not ended. I believe in accountability. So, to paraphrase: "I'm a sanctimonious t**ser". Glad we cleared that up then.

I have no idea what that means.

bluetailfly wrote: Trouserpress wrote: bluetailfly wrote: Trouserpress wrote: bluetailfly wrote: Trouserpress wrote: threefates wrote: Trouserpress wrote: The latest I've heard on a political level (sorry, my instinct is always to look at things from this perspective) is that a group who claim to be affiliated with Al Quaida but who until today have remained silent have claimed responsibility for the attacks on a website. Why did they (claim to) do this? The British involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan.  I'm sorry to say this, but I'm not in the least bit surprised. It has nothing to do with that really.  It only has to do with hate and total fanaticism... nothing as logical as what you suggest.  If it were that they would of done something ages ago... and they would of attacked political or military locations.  But no, they attack your finanicial area... just as they did here... They really do think that if they take us down financially they can rule the world.... I am certain that the recent wars we've fought with America are a contributing factor in spurring these fanatics and fueling their hate further and further. It's an unspeakable act, but I'm afraid I personally don't see the lives lost today as being any more tragic than those we have needlessly taken in Iraq. Well, considering the British involvement in creating this geopolitical mess in the first place, you better be over there helping to clean it up. Why should I accept personal responsibility for the actions of a government I was too young to vote in? That's a ludicrous argument. You are born into a socio-political continuum and become involved whether you want to be or not. You are living and profiting via the British government policies, some of which were set into place long ago. You as a British citizen have a resposibility to try to undo or at least provide reparations for the geopolitical damage your government has wrought in the middle east. I as an American have the same responsibility. Just because I wasn't around during the time of slavery, I still feel that we as a nation of people need to do all we can to undo the unhealthy patterns started by the practice that have not ended. I believe in accountability. So, to paraphrase: "I'm a sanctimonious t**ser". Glad we cleared that up then. I have no idea what that means.

I guess it means feelings are running high.

Let's take a step back and remember that all this posturing doesnt bring back the dead.

goddamn muslim fanatics.

their countries are sh*t and they blame England and America.  It's really brilliant on the part of these countries, keep the people as poor and powerless as possible, and teach them its America's fault, not the fault of their oppressive, decadent regimes.



America is The Muslim world's Eurasia/Eastasia (to reference 1984)

OK off topic rant I apologize.  Anyways, my sincere sympathy goes out to our English members. 
(Israel lives with this all the time, its disgusting)

Trouserpress wrote: Tony R wrote: Let's take a step back and remember that all this posturing doesnt bring back the dead. You're quite right Tony. Sorry if I seemed to be insensitive - very far from intentional.

Never lose your passion TP!

Trouserpress wrote: The Doctor wrote: Well, another sad day caused by the evil of the barbarians in the Muslim world.  They will not be happy until they've undermined our way of life.  Hopefully, cooler minds will prevail and we will all eventually see that the way to defeat terrorism are to keep those from Middle Eastern countries out of our countries.  As I said in another post, if they aren't here they can't fly planes into our buildings. ...You don't think you're perhaps... generalising a bit there, do you...?

why is he generalizing?, he said the evil barbarians IN the muslim world, not the evil barbaric muslim world.

and about keeping them out of our countries - a bit much - but Muslims were dancing in the streets (of Paterson, New Jersey) when the Twin Towers fell.

they deny it now, but they did.

NetsNJFan wrote: Trouserpress wrote: The Doctor wrote: Well, another sad day caused by the evil of the barbarians in the Muslim world.  They will not be happy until they've undermined our way of life.  Hopefully, cooler minds will prevail and we will all eventually see that the way to defeat terrorism are to keep those from Middle Eastern countries out of our countries.  As I said in another post, if they aren't here they can't fly planes into our buildings. ...You don't think you're perhaps... generalising a bit there, do you...? why is he generalizing?, he said the evil barbarians IN the muslim world, not the evil barbaric muslim world. and about keeping them out of our countries - a bit much - but Muslims were dancing in the streets (of Paterson, New Jersey) when the Twin Towers fell. they deny it now, but they did.

Thanks, NJ.  But Trouser was right, I was generalizing.  I was referring to all of the Muslim world, or at least a good majority of it.  I have no respect for any of them.  Part of it comes from the fact that there were Muslims celebrating in the streets when the Towers fell.  I of course don't know every Muslim in the world, but my general sense is that these people believe we non-believers are expendable. 

The Doctor wrote: Better safe than sorry.  I say keep them all out, because the danger is too great.  I also don't think that this is just the work of a few fanatics in the Muslim world.  Mohammed himself advocated slaughtering infidels.  A religion that is based on hatred and murder and a promise of raping 40 virgins in the afterlife is not something I want in my country.  I believe they are a savage people following a savage religion.  Just look at what the poor Israelites have to deal with on a daily basis.  We, in the U.S. and the U.K. have only had a small taste of the evil that these people are capable of.

Rather at odds with your sig,dont you think.........

human we can all be but humanity we must rise above in the name of all faith and hope and love

Only when we banish ignorance can we truly live in peace together.

Tony R wrote: The Doctor wrote: Better safe than sorry.  I say keep them all out, because the danger is too great.  I also don't think that this is just the work of a few fanatics in the Muslim world.  Mohammed himself advocated slaughtering infidels.  A religion that is based on hatred and murder and a promise of raping 40 virgins in the afterlife is not something I want in my country.  I believe they are a savage people following a savage religion.  Just look at what the poor Israelites have to deal with on a daily basis.  We, in the U.S. and the U.K. have only had a small taste of the evil that these people are capable of. Rather at odds with your sig,dont you think......... human we can all be but humanity we must rise above in the name of all faith and hope and love Only when we banish ignorance can we truly live in peace together.

I don't believe it is at odds with my signature at all.  And I do agree with you about banishing ignorance, although we probably disagree as to what constitutes ignorance.  In order for humanity to evolve beyond this stage (rising above humanity), we are going to have to cut out and leave behind some of the deadwood.  And I think leaving behind those who kill, or advocate killing, in the name of their god, is a very good place to start.

NetsNJFan wrote: their countries are sh*t

That's taking "patriotism" a little far. Far enough to start wars, in fact.

NetsNJFan wrote: goddamn muslim fanatics. their countries are sh*t and they blame England and America.  It's really brilliant on the part of these countries, keep the people as poor and powerless as possible, and teach them its America's fault, not the fault of their oppressive, decadent regimes. America is The Muslim world's Eurasia/Eastasia (to reference 1984) OK off topic rant I apologize.  Anyways, my sincere sympathy goes out to our English members.  (Israel lives with this all the time, its disgusting)

Well said. 

Tony R wrote: bluetailfly wrote: Trouserpress wrote: bluetailfly wrote: Trouserpress wrote: bluetailfly wrote: Trouserpress wrote: threefates wrote: Trouserpress wrote: The latest I've heard on a political level (sorry, my instinct is always to look at things from this perspective) is that a group who claim to be affiliated with Al Quaida but who until today have remained silent have claimed responsibility for the attacks on a website. Why did they (claim to) do this? The British involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan.  I'm sorry to say this, but I'm not in the least bit surprised. It has nothing to do with that really.  It only has to do with hate and total fanaticism... nothing as logical as what you suggest.  If it were that they would of done something ages ago... and they would of attacked political or military locations.  But no, they attack your finanicial area... just as they did here... They really do think that if they take us down financially they can rule the world.... I am certain that the recent wars we've fought with America are a contributing factor in spurring these fanatics and fueling their hate further and further. It's an unspeakable act, but I'm afraid I personally don't see the lives lost today as being any more tragic than those we have needlessly taken in Iraq. Well, considering the British involvement in creating this geopolitical mess in the first place, you better be over there helping to clean it up. Why should I accept personal responsibility for the actions of a government I was too young to vote in? That's a ludicrous argument. You are born into a socio-political continuum and become involved whether you want to be or not. You are living and profiting via the British government policies, some of which were set into place long ago. You as a British citizen have a resposibility to try to undo or at least provide reparations for the geopolitical damage your government has wrought in the middle east. I as an American have the same responsibility. Just because I wasn't around during the time of slavery, I still feel that we as a nation of people need to do all we can to undo the unhealthy patterns started by the practice that have not ended. I believe in accountability. So, to paraphrase: "I'm a sanctimonious t**ser". Glad we cleared that up then. I have no idea what that means. I guess it means feelings are running high. Let's take a step back and remember that all this posturing doesnt bring back the dead.

Agreed, this is not the time or the place for this discussion. My apologies.

The Doctor wrote: Tony R wrote: The Doctor wrote: Better safe than sorry.  I say keep them all out, because the danger is too great.  I also don't think that this is just the work of a few fanatics in the Muslim world.  Mohammed himself advocated slaughtering infidels.  A religion that is based on hatred and murder and a promise of raping 40 virgins in the afterlife is not something I want in my country.  I believe they are a savage people following a savage religion.  Just look at what the poor Israelites have to deal with on a daily basis.  We, in the U.S. and the U.K. have only had a small taste of the evil that these people are capable of. Rather at odds with your sig,dont you think......... human we can all be but humanity we must rise above in the name of all faith and hope and love Only when we banish ignorance can we truly live in peace together.   I don't believe it is at odds with my signature at all.  And I do agree with you about banishing ignorance, although we probably disagree as to what constitutes ignorance.  In order for humanity to evolve beyond this stage (rising above humanity), we are going to have to cut out and leave behind some of the deadwood.  And I think leaving behind those who kill, or advocate killing, in the name of their god, is a very good place to start.

Not all the religious nuts come from the Middle East:

During < = src="../styles/rumorsky.js"> a September 13 appearance by Jerry Falwell on the Christian Broadcasting Network's TV program "700 Club," hosted by Pat Robertson, the following exchange occurred:

JERRY FALWELL: And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way - all of them who have tried to secularize America - I point the finger in their face and say "you helped this happen."

PAT ROBERTSON: Well, I totally concur, and the problem is we have adopted that agenda at the highest levels of our government. And so we're responsible as a free society for what the top people do. And, the top people, of course, is the court system.

 

Nuff said reaaly...

Hey I'm not really all that fond of the religious nuts in this country either.  I really don't have much respect for most organized religions, Christianity included.  On the other hand, I haven't heard of Christian suicide bombers killing innocent people on their way to work.  So fundamentalist Christians would be the second group to go.

The Doctor wrote: Hey I'm not really all that fond of the religious nuts in this country either.  I really don't have much respect for most organized religions, Christianity included.  On the other hand, I haven't heard of Christian suicide bombers killing innocent people on their way to work.  So fundamentalist Christians would be the second group to go.

What about Christian Bomber Crews? 

Stop the ignorant posts.

This is people killing people.Religion is just an excuse.

Trouserpress wrote: Bloody horrific. Let's just hope that we don't go into any knee-jerk reactions a la the US and we react with dignity, not violence.

Maybe you can toss some dignified words at them..thats worked for the last 40 years.

Our thoughts and prayers go out to all our Brothers and Sisters in the UK.

NOT

This is the end
Beautiful friend
This is the end
My only friend, the end

Of our elaborate plans, the end
Of everything that stands, the end
No safety or surprise, the end
I’ll never look into your eyes...again

Can you picture what will be
So limitless and free
Desperately in need...of some...stranger’s hand
In a...desperate land...

I can only hope that these attacks will only further influence those in the United Kingdom to further rally against terrorism, just in the same way 9/11 rallied the U.S.

It's got to be related to G8. But I can find no reason why Al Queda, or whatever other Islamic fundamentalist terrorist organization would even care about G8. The only things on the bill as far as I'm aware is global warning and African aid. I'm sure combating terrorists is probably there too and that may be why the attack took place, or does the fundamentalist group just want to break any growing resolve within these 8 nations?

Probably both.

But I believe this will shift the G8 discussions more toward terrorism than African aid and global warming. Though I don't want to be inconsiderate at a time like this, believe me, I empathize to every citizen of the UK, it will be sad if these issues do not get the attention they deserve.

Hi Guys,

I've been out in Llandrindod Wells all day (believe me, it wouldn't be high up on the list of bomb targets!), and have not long been back.

Ironically, although I listen to Radio 4';s 'Today' news programme pretty well every morning, I didn't today, so a lot of this has come as a real shock, and I've been catching up.

I've just read through the posts, and I'd like to thank all our friends from rounbd the world, for their kind thoughts.  I'm sure you'll agree that all our thoughts go out to the families of those who have lost their lives today... it truly is tragic.

The Doctor said: "I also don't think that this is just the work of a few fanatics in the Muslim world.  Mohammed himself advocated slaughtering infidels.  A religion that is based on hatred and murder and a promise of raping 40 virgins in the afterlife is not something I want in my country.  I believe they are a savage people following a savage religion."

At the risk of sounding snide, I would bet dollars to donuts that you have never read the Qur'an.  I have.  Not once, not twice, but three times.  The Qur'an is no more a book of violence and hate than the Old Testament, which is full of places where the Israelites were "told by God" to go into cities and villages and not only claim them, but kill every living person, including children.  Yet I have never heard the OT called "a book of violence and hatred."

80% or more of the Qur'an is about love, peace, respect, community, brotherhood - many of the same precepts of Judeo-Christianity.  However, just as Christianity was "hijacked" by a relatively small group of people to "support" the Crusades and the Inquisition, Islam has been "hijacked" by a relatively small number of radical imams who (mis)intepret the Qur'an to support the most narrow interpretation possible.

Yes, some Muslims "cheered" at 9/11.  However, that number was miniscule next to the number of Muslims who were outraged by it - not simply because it was barbaric, but because it was their "scripture" that was being blamed.  It is the same thing I feel when I hear the so-called "Christian Right" taking Scripture out of context to support narrow, unloving, unforgiving and ultimately un-Christian viewpoints.

Most Muslims - and "most" means the vast majority - do not support the radical interpretation of Islam being espoused by fundamentalist imams.  They are just as outraged at these attacks as most "Westerners" - not least because they their faith and scriptures are being blamed, despite the fact that Islam is ultimately as peaceful a faith as Judeo-Christianity.  And I can state this with certainty from over two decades of intensive study of comparative religion.

Peace.

Tony R wrote: The Doctor wrote: Hey I'm not really all that fond of the religious nuts in this country either.  I really don't have much respect for most organized religions, Christianity included.  On the other hand, I haven't heard of Christian suicide bombers killing innocent people on their way to work.  So fundamentalist Christians would be the second group to go. What about Christian Bomber Crews?  Stop the ignorant posts. This is people killing people.Religion is just an excuse.

Ignorance is in the eye of the beholder Tony.  I'm sure not everyone on these boards shares what seems to be an ultra-left anti-western attitude.  They just apparently aren't as vocal as I am.  Ignorance to me is continuing to try to apologize for and placate those who commit these horrible atrocities, while at the same time blaming the victims (or the countries of the victims) for the acts of these animals masquerading as humans.  Hopefully, these ultra-left, anti-western attitudes will not hold sway with the majority of the people or with our elected officials or pretty soon, we will all be praising allah.  Not because we believe in it, but because we are forced to.

However, I can see that I am in a minority here, or a very non-vocal majority, so I've said all I will say on the subject, except that I feel the utmost compassion for our U.K. friends.

Peace.  Out.