Should Art Rock Be A Sub-Genre On PA?
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Topic: Should Art Rock Be A Sub-Genre On PA?
Posted By: Textbook
Subject: Should Art Rock Be A Sub-Genre On PA?
Date Posted: June 15 2012 at 04:31
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I'm aware this this subject is probably DOA because admin is (completely undertstandably, it's a huge job) reluctant to fool about with the sub-genres as it would involve so much reorginisation, but it strikes me that art rock, though not "progressive rock", is "progressive" and has a home here. Avant garde is not prog rock either, but is included because prog fans are often interested in experimental music generally and I'd say the same of art rock. A whole lot of art rockers get included in prog-related or crossover, but sometimes the categorisation is awkward. Further art rockers are either not on the site at all or included controversially. IMO, "Art Rock" as a category would add a lot of acts that people want to see here, would tidy up categorisation and would be a fairly busy and popular category as well. Anyway, not expecting this to go anywhere but I figured this folder was for people to put in their two cents. P.S. RPI is not a genre *ducks*
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Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: June 15 2012 at 05:04
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Art Rock used to be a sub-genre on PA, but it was decided to split it into Heavy, Crossover, Ecletic, Proto-Prog and Prog-Related. ------------- Bigger on the inside. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 15 2012 at 05:20
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Kotro wrote:Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: June 15 2012 at 05:37
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Art rock is more or less soft-avant-garde? Where does that conclusion come from given that the likes of Cockney Rebel, Roxy Music, Procul Harum, Velvet Underground, Pere Ubu, David Bowie, Doctors of Madness, Talk Talk and Be Bop Deluxe might conceivably tick all the relevant boxes but none of the foregoing would even dent the pillow of avant-garde IMO. ------------- 
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: June 15 2012 at 06:17
As far as I can remember: Proto-Prog and Prog Related were already there before Art Rock was split up. Art Rock was divided into Heavy, Crossover and Eclectic Prog. ------------- 
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 15 2012 at 06:20
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Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: June 15 2012 at 06:53
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There is no avant-garde on PA, only 'Avant-Prog' which is not the same; that's like saying 'Prog Folk' is the same thing as folk music.
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: June 15 2012 at 06:59
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Right, and Progressive Rock is deemed to be the same phenomenon as rock music. Who precisely is claiming that Prog Folk is the same as folk music?
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Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: June 15 2012 at 07:47
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I for one think we should be cutting down genres instead of adding new ones. Bands in RPI, Zheul, Indo Prog (c'mon), and maybe even Krautrock, could be divided into the other PA sub-genres, IMHO. ------------- There be dragons |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: June 15 2012 at 08:07
Pere Ubu might fit, but thats a technicality. ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 15 2012 at 08:16
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: June 15 2012 at 12:17
There are some on the site who agree with you wholeheartedly. I am one. There are others who would probably cut off your balls and sell them to the devil for suggesting such a thing. I don't think there will ever be a consensus on the issue. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: June 15 2012 at 12:29
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: June 15 2012 at 12:38
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Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: June 15 2012 at 12:42
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All in favor of progressive hip-hop?
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 15 2012 at 12:44
one more quip like that and I'll hide the WD40 and stand you out in the rain robot boy.  ------------- What? |
Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: June 15 2012 at 13:48
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Posted By: Sheavy
Date Posted: June 15 2012 at 14:42
 . I only think RPI should. Since most of those bands can fit into other Prog genres.I think that PA should get a genre that includes composers who had a massive influence on Prog. (Stockhausen, Varese etc..) ------------- 
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Posted By: TheGazzardian
Date Posted: June 15 2012 at 14:45
I see no reason they should be put in PA, but if someone were to write a blog entry outlining their significance and relation to the genre, I'd probably read it.
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: June 15 2012 at 15:24
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If you think PA has too many sub-genres, take a stroll over to JazzMusicArchives, PA's sister site.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 15 2012 at 15:46
Three primary subs and a solid set of subs under those so that there will probably never be the need for a discussion about adding any. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: infocat
Date Posted: June 16 2012 at 00:45
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One person's opinion. The following sub-genres should be axed; or made into sub-sub-genres. I foresee the following: RIO/Avant-Prog - Rename Avant Prog. RIO is a sub-sub-genre. Krautrock - Merge mostly into Psychedelic/Space Rock; maybe some Avant Prog. Rock Progressivo Italiano - Merge mostly into Symphonic Prog. Zeuhl - Merge mostly into Avant Prog. Canterbury Scene - Split out as appropriate! This was never really a genre. As the name indicates, it was a "scene". Indo-Prog/Raga Rock - Prog Folk? I have no idea... Neo-Prog - Merge into Symphonic Prog and some Crossover Prog. Interestingly enough I think having the three metal groups split as they are is appropriate. All that being said, I would be all for Art Rock for bands/artists like Kate Bush, Tori Amos, maybe Radiohead, etc. ------------- -- Frank Swarbrick Belief is not Truth. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: June 16 2012 at 01:19
^ what difference does it make, the artists are here
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 16 2012 at 01:32
There's a well known place that has like 100 Prog sub-genres...Absurd Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: June 16 2012 at 01:39
I think some of your misgivings about the validity of some of the sub genres may be justified but what is more valuable about your quoted list is how effectively all those sub genres accurately reflect the widely acknowledged pivotal developments in the history of Progressive Rock over the last 50 years. Simplification is fine as an aid to clarity and understanding yes, but Hamlet loses much of it's depth, sophistication and resilience if tackled by Sylvester Stallone: To be or what?  We already have perfectly adequate categories for the inclusion of Bush, Amos and Radiohead. (why put old wine in new bottles?) I do agree that RIO appearing on the front of Avant Prog might be considered superfluous. Were you to excise Krautrock you would merely remove a hugely important pot-pourri of European styles which would benefit precisely no-one with even a passing interest in the gestation and lineage of the Progressive movement. I also happen to believe that the music of the so-called Canterbury Scene, Zeuhl and RPI has a distinct and unique flavour deserving of standalone status. Yes, there are broad similarities with other established sub genres but assimilating them elsewhere does not do justice to a conflation of localised events that forged an inimitable and discernible musical signature. Rather than dumbing down our beloved music into a disingenuous primer, we should instead be celebrating the divergence and variety of Prog which stubbornly refuses to be shoe-horned into any old ill fitting slipper. We shall not go the ball but who gives a f*ck? (I've got nothing to wear anyway) -------------
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 16 2012 at 05:26
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Art Rock is a nebulous term that had a multitude of meaings, in the USA in the 70s it was synonymous with Prog Rock, in Europe it was something distinct from, but related to, Prog Rock. Since this is a multinational site we tend to regard some Art Rock as Prog Rock and some Art Rock as not Prog Rock.
Therefore it has never been an aim of this site to list all Art Rock, the old Art Rock subgenre was essentially Progressive Art Rock and those Art Rock bands that were kind-of related to Prog Rock while not being regarded as Prog Rock (such as 10cc, Queen, Roxy Music etc.) were filed under Prog Related, and those Art Rock bands that were not related to Prog Rock in some way were excluded. [gah!, I've just noticed the 1-2-3 vandals have got at the wikipedia Art Rock page too].
In the main I think we've inculded most of the Art Rock band from the past 40 years that should be here - I suspect there are a few stragglers that haven't made it yet and there will always be argument over the more prominant "The Fish John West rejects" bands like The Stranglers, Pere Ubu, The Tubes, Television, and that's cool.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 16 2012 at 09:37
But now I'm not so sure, RPI is huge, they are the country with more Symphonic bands (More than UK by far), I believe that's a special case because of the dimensions and the unique size and tghey should stay. But I agree on Indo Raga Prog, never understood that sub-genre. Also have strong doubts about Zeuhl, that's a one band genre being that IMO no Zeuhl band sounds remotely as Magma. Neo Prog should stay, that's behind any doubt, there's no other genre that represents Symphonic (Genesis mostly) oriented Prog of the 80's. Iván -------------
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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: June 16 2012 at 09:43
No but there is no genre represention Jazz/Rock, Avant Prog, Heavy prog ect, of the 80's either, and that is just why Neo prog is a bit strange, because it is just Symp. prog from later than 79. ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 16 2012 at 10:13
I said Symphonic oriented, but Neo Prog is much more. Neo added elements of Symphonic, AOR, Space Rock, Heavy Prog and even Pop to create a distinctive brand of Prog. Iván
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 16 2012 at 10:16
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 16 2012 at 12:15
I rather like the idea of creating sub-categories under a category name, but could be problematic (RIO and Avant Prog generally and much Crossover could, for instance, be under the greater category Eclectic Prog, but it would present problems. Indo-Prog could be under Prog-Folk. I'd rather albums in it be tagged, say, Indo Prog, Prog Folk, and Psych). You mention Canterbury Scene as not really being a genre, but on can say the same of R.I.O. being a movement, though it has come to represent a broader meaning. And Henry Cow is linked to the Canterbury Scene (before RIO was inaugurated, I would say that Henry Cow's early albums were Canterbury Scene sounding). There is style that one can associate with Canterbury Scene. While I would still keep the main categorical heading for the bands, ideally this site would have album tagging and he ability to search for albums using multiple category tags (the ones we have plus some others such as Chamber Rock). I'm not keen on calling the categories sub-genres. Instead I would rename it Categories. Some categorical names were made-up for organisational purposes. I wouldn't call Eclectic, for instance, a sub-genre, but it is a useful category.
Funny you mention that since I read another post from today that said:
Although Magma developed the term Zeuhl, I don't think that they need sound very much like Magma to sound Zeuhl. Lots of them sound at least remotely like Magma to me. I recognise the Zeuhl sound (a lot of from the bass guitar style) when I hear it and find the categorisation useful. It's also a scene, in a sense, with lots of interlocking musicians (two major scenes being From france originally and later the Japanese ones). Magma and Zao are the two main ones for me from France. |
Posted By: Sheavy
Date Posted: June 16 2012 at 12:51
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Me thinks it's best the way it is. Indo Prog should stay, because a lot of those Indo Prog bands don't sound anything remotely like Prog Folk. and on and on. -------------
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 16 2012 at 13:28
| ^ I agree that Indo-Prog should stay. In my case I meant that if one had sub-sub "genre" categories, it would be possible to place Indo-Prog generally under Prog Folk, as Prog Folk can encompass "world or ethnic music". Pelt is terrific, by the way. All are great that you mentioned, but I haven't any Pelt albums and must remedy that. It's a shame that so few seem into the music there as there is fantastic music in that category. |
Posted By: Sheavy
Date Posted: June 16 2012 at 13:39
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Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: June 18 2012 at 04:36
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I think the site realised quite some time ago that albums, not artists, should be sorted by genre but by then it was already such a monumental task to go back and individually label every single album, that everyone knew it would never be done. Anyway, good to see a discussion going, that's all I ask for. Art rock would basically be any band that is progressive in that they try unusual/artistic things, but do not fit the "prog rock" cliche of twenty minute long songs about depressed unicorns with a mellotron and drumming so impressive that it somehow becomes unimpressive. Art rock would also finally, FINALLY, give us a place to stick the contentious "prog punk" acts like Television, Wire, Magazaine, Pere Ubu, Talking Heads, Blood Brothers, Titus Adronicus, um, Devo etc and also it's where a lot of the "BUT THEY'RE NOT PROG" acts like Radiohead and David Bowie actually belong etc WHY THE HELL ARE SWANS NOT ALREADY ON THE WEBSITE etc WHERE'S GLENN BRANCA etc
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: June 18 2012 at 05:37
Pretty much 90% of all the music currently on PA doesn't even remotely resemble the clichés you describe.(Although I enjoyed your description) What compelling argument do we have to include the bands and artists you have listed on PA apart from that many of us adore them? I'm quite happy to consider most of them as Post-Punk but feel no pressing need to build an ark to protect Tom Verlaine, Howard Devoto or David Thomas from the mainstream flood. Prog Punk is a non sequitur as sophisticated, unconventional and adventurous rock music with thought provoking subject matter does not Progressive Rock make. -------------
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Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: June 18 2012 at 06:17
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"sophisticated, unconventional and adventurous rock music with thought provoking subject matter does not Progressive Rock make." Uh, what now? And if it doesn't, well it should. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 18 2012 at 10:48
I believe that Zeuhl is a special case:
So in this case, any Zeuhl band needs to have a strong connection with Magma, I heard most of them and IMO there's no connection between anyone and Magma. So..Why do we have Zeuhl? I understand Canterbury, I understand RPI, I defend the existence of Kraut Rock, but Zeuhl and Indo Raga Prog I don't get.
What other sites got when tagging special band oriented genres is:
They had to step back and create another set of genres, because this was chaotic Now imagine the chaos if we were to do it band by band. Iván -------------
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: June 18 2012 at 12:15
Ivan, what you are saying is right, it would be chaotic. But Textbook was not suggesting special band orientated genres, he was suggesting, as others have, that it would be better if we tagged by album, not by artist. So, to go on what you said in a previous post elsewhere, for example, Genesis would have SEBTP, Foxtrot & etc tagged as symphonic, whilst Abacab would be prog-related. You know I don't agree with you regarding Genesis, but I state the above for illustrative purposes. There would not be a special Genesis orientated sub-genre. All you would do would be to place the albums in the sub-genres we already have. (And yes, I know this would be chaotic as well  )------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 18 2012 at 12:50
By the contrary, I offered to start a task, adding secondary genres to band's albums. They would stay in Symphonic, be in correlative order by bands only that some albums would have a secondary tag bellow the Symphonic one . The Symphonic Team was ready to do that, but we needed a small extra slot in the band pages, it would look like this: FOXTROThttp://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1" rel="nofollow - Genesis•Symphonic ProgSecondary Genres: -------------In this case, no secondary genre is required, because the album is mainly Symphonic INVISIBLE TOUCHhttp://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1" rel="nofollow - Genesis•Symphonic ProgSecondary genres:Crossover - POPIn this case a second tag as shown could be required as shown. We never received the green light, and we were willing to do this as a team, this wouldn't affect the Crossover Team because the album will remain with all Genesis albums in Symphonic. But believe me, even if we did this, people would protest Why Crossover if it's pure Pop? Why Pop if it's Prog? Why not Eclectic? People will always be ready to protest (Specially the ones who never did anything for PA - not talking about any member in particular, just about guys who come, make a rating without a review and still protest), but I think this would help and could be done by our team in Symphonic as a test. Iván
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: June 18 2012 at 13:20
I am, by my nature, against most suggestions that merely serve to increase bureaucracy (and I say that as a civil servant), but, actually, I think it is a very good idea, and a workable compromise between keeping the present system and moving everything to an album based archive. It would mean that the teams would have a fair bit of work to do, but I, for one, would be happy to do it in neo. Of course, you will always have arguments about what fits where and why. You will get that in any system. For example, I would consider the pair of us to be intelligent and knowledgeable about prog, but we do disagree about certain issues. That's fine and healthy as long as it is done in a pleasant manner and an overall consensus is reached. The people who merely rate and do nothing for PA do not, in my opinion, count for a great deal. In conclusion, it is pleasant to see us agreeing. I think yours is a very good idea. Now, if only we can reach the same accord about additions to the site   ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 18 2012 at 13:26
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I think secondary genres is an over-complex way of album tagging - we just need to be able to tag each album with a list of genres/styles - MMA and JMA have this and while I don't know "how" they do it, it does seem to work, so I see no reason not to do it here and no reason why we need to do it differently. ------------- What? |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: June 18 2012 at 13:42
I have to admit, I haven't been on either for a long time, but I just went onto MMA to have a look, and chose Metallica as an example, and the albums are listed in their respective sub-genres perfectly well, and it also looks very good. Have MMA & JMA been able to do this because they are relatively new sites and are able, so to speak, to do this afresh, whereas we would have to go back over god knows how many albums? Whether it is your's or Ivan's suggestion (and both are very good, although I tend towards yours as it is, IMO, easier), I do think bit is about time we started to get a move on with changing things. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: June 18 2012 at 14:09
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Change, Yes we can !!!
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 18 2012 at 14:13
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Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: June 18 2012 at 14:18
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Most art rock bands can also fit into Prog Related, I see no need to add it ------------- http://bit.ly/1kqTR8y" rel="nofollow">  The greatest record label of all time! |
Posted By: Sheavy
Date Posted: June 18 2012 at 14:25
Harmonium said he was accepted for Prog Related...? -------------
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: June 18 2012 at 15:54
Bien! Chocolat, s'il vous plait! Seriously, you are, of course, spot on. Faisons-le maintenant. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 18 2012 at 16:45
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Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: June 18 2012 at 18:10
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You know where Branca would fit right in? Art Rock. MAKE IT SO Please?
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: June 18 2012 at 20:15
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The assumption that tagging albums is better than tagging artists is erroneous, and the notion that someone is confused or put off to find, say, Duke as part of a Symph band's catalog is also presumptuous. People get it; they see that PA classes bands by general musical history and understand this may include material not traditionally thought of a 'This' or 'That'. Pop artists go in different directions too; would you categorize Graceland or Paul Simon as being partly "World Music" or "African Vocal" just because of a single record ?. Certainly not, that would be silly, inaccurate, and not helpful at all. |
Posted By: geneyesontle
Date Posted: June 18 2012 at 20:50
Bands like King CRUN-DMC, Pink Flo Rida, GeNAS, YesEminem and RUSH 50 Cent were formed as we are talking about that. ------------- Poseidon wants to Acquire the Taste of the Fragile Lamb - Derek Adrian Gabriel Anderson, singer of the band Geneyesontle |
Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: June 18 2012 at 22:55
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Progressive hip-hop exists mostly in theory for now, but it probably will exist as an actual genre one day. There is a scattering of artists you could call progressive hip-hop (El-P's new album Cure For Cancer concludes with a full-blown progressive rap song) but enough to build a genre around. It would never exist as a genre on here regardless due to entrenched snobbery. Atavachron: RYM categories every album individually by genre and I think it works just fine. There are primary tags and secondary tags for each record. Let's look at Paul Simon's Graceland: http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/paul_simon/graceland/" rel="nofollow - http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/paul_simon/graceland/ Its primary tags are pop rock and singer/songwriter because the album mostly inhabits this world, but it has secondary tags of world music, mbagang, zydeco and folk rock for featuring significant elements of these styles. While the primary/secondary multiple tag approach is a LOT of work, it is ultimately much more satisfying than saying PAUL SIMON IS FOLK ROCK THAT'S IT NOTHING ELSE. Geneys: Allow me to do that properly Pimp Crimson Yes Ya'll Genidiss Pimp Floyd Rush Groove
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: June 18 2012 at 23:14
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 18 2012 at 23:25
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Your examples are perfectly correct David. However, (there's always a "however"), The Wall isn't Psyche/Space Rock, War Child isn't Folk Rock, Hergest Ridge isn't Crossover Prog and Heritage isn't Tech/Extreme Metal. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 18 2012 at 23:36
That's why I believe we should allow one or two teams to try multi tagging, they can even ask other teams for advise when there's any doubt. We were ready with HT and Guigo to do this, because together we had heard most albums in Symphonic and at least one album from each band each one of us, but I'm sure that Scott and Fritz can make the job with me. Iván -------------
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: June 19 2012 at 01:30
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 19 2012 at 01:48
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: June 19 2012 at 01:51
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Yes I get it, what I'm saying is tagging systems are musicologically incorrect when they individually tag albums -- RYM is wrong, and the more tags they allow thrown on the wronger they shall be. |
Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: June 19 2012 at 02:14
He's more of avant-classical with a dash of art rock ------------- http://bit.ly/1kqTR8y" rel="nofollow"> The greatest record label of all time! |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 20 2012 at 06:41
I tend to remember it as someone else does.... Proto and Related existed before the spilt of Art Rock
But does it matter nowadays???
This is an interestting idea (one that I'd advocate, along with less restrictive genre definitions/descriptions in order to be more inclusive), but this would upset greatly some private property owners, who would have to share their gardened fences... Sadly (very sadly), that's a no-no for many!!
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 20 2012 at 06:58
Of course they existed before the split, but that's not what I said.
Before November 2005 many of the artists that were in Prog Related after that date (Peter Gabriel, 801, Alan Parsons, etc.) were in Art Rock.... in essence Prog Related was created from Art Rock.
However, it does not matter at all.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 20 2012 at 08:48
Indeed ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 20 2012 at 11:00
To complement what Dean rightly said: - In the early days of Prog, Art Rock was just another name top call the genre. - Before Prog Related was created Art Rock was the equivalent to Prog Related, and as a fact it was like that everywhere
- Then we made Art Rock Change on august 30, 2006, with this definition:
- When Micky and Raff left the Symphonic Team, they took care of Art Rock and being that the genre was incredibly big, they asked to split it into
That's the story of Art Rock in PA till now, and i hope we don't resurrect it, because it was always ambiguous. Iván -------------
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Posted By: Ancient Tree
Date Posted: June 20 2012 at 12:27
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 20 2012 at 12:33
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I might just as well be talking to a brick wall.
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: June 20 2012 at 12:41
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or a tree
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 20 2012 at 13:01
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Please Ancient Tree Proto Prog and Prog Related are not, never were and will never be part of Art Rock. I believe this is clear enough Iván -------------
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 20 2012 at 13:11
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The white zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the red zone. ------------- What? |
Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: June 20 2012 at 15:49
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The red zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the white zone. -------------  
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