Pagan's Mind vs Symphony X
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Topic: Pagan's Mind vs Symphony X
Posted By: The Mystical
Subject: Pagan's Mind vs Symphony X
Date Posted: June 27 2012 at 05:55
What do you guys think?
I am personally more of a fan of "Pagan's Mind", but as they bear so many similarities, I would like to see who you prefer.
No hate please guys! Keep responses friendly!
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Posted By: dtguitarfan
Date Posted: June 27 2012 at 05:56
I love PM, but they broke my heart with the last album, and Symphony X has more good stuff total.
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Posted By: The Mystical
Date Posted: June 27 2012 at 05:58
True, I actually love their new album! Iconoclast is great though.
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Posted By: dtguitarfan
Date Posted: June 27 2012 at 06:36
I felt like PM weren't even playing Prog Metal any more with their latest. Too much 4/4 time and verse/chorus structure.
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Posted By: Jbird
Date Posted: June 27 2012 at 19:06
Love 'em both but Symphony X is the bees knees.
Something about Nils voice grates on me after awhile. He's got a great voice, don't get me wrong, but after listening to a whole Pagan's Mind album (or the Eidolon album he did) I'm ready to hear someone else sing for awhile.
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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: June 27 2012 at 21:08
Symphony X every time.
PM is good, but they're on a totally different level than SX.
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: June 28 2012 at 00:57
Andy Webb wrote:
Symphony X every time.
PM is good, but they're on a totally different level than SX. |
I hope you mean that they are in a much lower level than SX.
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Posted By: tigka_progka
Date Posted: June 28 2012 at 01:28
Symphony X, although i don't like their latest
stuff.
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: June 28 2012 at 07:03
Symphony X are so much better than PM it's not even funny.
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: June 28 2012 at 10:49
sleeper wrote:
Symphony X are so much better than PM it's not even funny.
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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: June 28 2012 at 11:45
CCVP wrote:
Andy Webb wrote:
Symphony X every time.
PM is good, but they're on a totally different level than SX. |
I hope you mean that they are in a much lower level than SX. |
well duh
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: June 28 2012 at 11:47
I like both very much- but listen to Symphony X more- so they get my vote.
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: June 28 2012 at 12:56
Andy Webb wrote:
CCVP wrote:
Andy Webb wrote:
Symphony X every time.
PM is good, but they're on a totally different level than SX. |
I hope you mean that they are in a much lower level than SX. |
well duh |
I can't read your mind, k?
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Posted By: The Mystical
Date Posted: June 29 2012 at 17:44
Wow, I see you all passionately prefer Symphony X...how come? To me (just my opinion) they seem not very original. I think I prefer PM because they are more surreal and diverse.
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: June 29 2012 at 19:18
Pagan's Mind are a pretty bog standard DT clone (and have even stole whole parts of Dream Theater songs for tracks on Celestial Entrance, I was not impressed when I first heard Back to the Magic of Childhood Pt2 (I think its that song, havent listened in several years now) and found it to be a rip off of Learning to Live)with nothing special about them bands like Suspyre and Haken do the same thing with far more creativity and quality.
Blending Neo-Classical Power Metal and prog was a pretty original thing back in the early-mid 90's and, granted SX havent progressed much, if at all, in the near 20 years since but I find their music very enjoyable still with each album. One of the very few vanilla prog metal bands that I still listen to on even a semi regular basis.
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: June 29 2012 at 21:43
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 29 2012 at 21:57
The Mystical wrote:
Wow, I see you all passionately prefer Symphony X...how come? To me (just my opinion) they seem not very original. I think I prefer PM because they are more surreal and diverse. |
Honestly, I don't listen that diversity (much less originality), they sound extremely close and derivative of Dream Theater IMO.
On the other hand, Symphony X is pretty much one of a kind.
Iván
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: June 30 2012 at 05:41
CCVP wrote:
sleeper wrote:
Pagan's Mind are a pretty bog standard DT clone (and have even stole whole parts of Dream Theater songs for tracks on Celestial Entrance, I was not impressed when I first heard Back to the Magic of Childhood Pt2 (I think its that song, havent listened in several years now) and found it to be a rip off of Learning to Live)with nothing special about them bands like Suspyre and Haken do the same thing with far more creativity and quality.
Blending Neo-Classical Power Metal and prog was a pretty original thing back in the early-mid 90's and, granted SX havent progressed much, if at all, in the near 20 years since but I find their music very enjoyable still with each album. One of the very few vanilla prog metal bands that I still listen to on even a semi regular basis.
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I disagree with you on this last paragraph, bro. They changed their sound since the 90's, but they stagnated after V - Mythology Suite. |
Well, they definitely changed a bit from The Odyssey onwards, but I'm never sure by how much or in what way, other than getting heavier. I know plenty of people say they're less prog but to be honest I dont hear much less from Paradise Lost or Iconoclast compared to Divine Wings... and Twilight in Olympus.
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Posted By: JS19
Date Posted: June 30 2012 at 05:44
sleeper wrote:
CCVP wrote:
sleeper wrote:
Pagan's Mind are a pretty bog standard DT clone (and have even stole whole parts of Dream Theater songs for tracks on Celestial Entrance, I was not impressed when I first heard Back to the Magic of Childhood Pt2 (I think its that song, havent listened in several years now) and found it to be a rip off of Learning to Live)with nothing special about them bands like Suspyre and Haken do the same thing with far more creativity and quality.
Blending Neo-Classical Power Metal and prog was a pretty original thing back in the early-mid 90's and, granted SX havent progressed much, if at all, in the near 20 years since but I find their music very enjoyable still with each album. One of the very few vanilla prog metal bands that I still listen to on even a semi regular basis.
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I disagree with you on this last paragraph, bro. They changed their sound since the 90's, but they stagnated after V - Mythology Suite. |
Well, they definitely changed a bit from The Odyssey onwards, but I'm never sure by how much or in what way, other than getting heavier. I know plenty of people say they're less prog but to be honest I dont hear much less from Paradise Lost or Iconoclast compared to Divine Wings... and Twilight in Olympus.
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Well all I know is I dislike pre-Odyssey albums and love post-Odyssey albums so there must be some fairly large difference...
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Posted By: dtguitarfan
Date Posted: June 30 2012 at 07:32
CCVP wrote:
sleeper wrote:
Pagan's Mind are a pretty bog standard DT clone (and have even stole whole parts of Dream Theater songs for tracks on Celestial Entrance, I was not impressed when I first heard Back to the Magic of Childhood Pt2 (I think its that song, havent listened in several years now) and found it to be a rip off of Learning to Live)with nothing special about them bands like Suspyre and Haken do the same thing with far more creativity and quality.
Blending Neo-Classical Power Metal and prog was a pretty original thing back in the early-mid 90's and, granted SX havent progressed much, if at all, in the near 20 years since but I find their music very enjoyable still with each album. One of the very few vanilla prog metal bands that I still listen to on even a semi regular basis.
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I disagree with you on this last paragraph, bro. They changed their sound since the 90's, but they stagnated after V - Mythology Suite. |
Stagnated? Their last two albums are more metal, and more widely appealing to fans of other sub-genres of metal, than any other of their albums. I, personally, prefer The Odyssey to anything else they've done, but I can recognize the development of their style in the last two albums and appreciate it for what it is as well.
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: June 30 2012 at 11:38
dtguitarfan wrote:
CCVP wrote:
sleeper wrote:
Pagan's Mind are a pretty bog standard DT clone (and have even stole whole parts of Dream Theater songs for tracks on Celestial Entrance, I was not impressed when I first heard Back to the Magic of Childhood Pt2 (I think its that song, havent listened in several years now) and found it to be a rip off of Learning to Live)with nothing special about them bands like Suspyre and Haken do the same thing with far more creativity and quality.
Blending Neo-Classical Power Metal and prog was a pretty original thing back in the early-mid 90's and, granted SX havent progressed much, if at all, in the near 20 years since but I find their music very enjoyable still with each album. One of the very few vanilla prog metal bands that I still listen to on even a semi regular basis.
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I disagree with you on this last paragraph, bro. They changed their sound since the 90's, but they stagnated after V - Mythology Suite. |
Stagnated? Their last two albums are more metal, and more widely appealing to fans of other sub-genres of metal, than any other of their albums. I, personally, prefer The Odyssey to anything else they've done, but I can recognize the development of their style in the last two albums and appreciate it for what it is as well.
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But they have not brought anything new to the table except being heavier.
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Posted By: dtguitarfan
Date Posted: June 30 2012 at 13:54
CCVP wrote:
dtguitarfan wrote:
CCVP wrote:
sleeper wrote:
Pagan's Mind are a pretty bog standard DT clone (and have even stole whole parts of Dream Theater songs for tracks on Celestial Entrance, I was not impressed when I first heard Back to the Magic of Childhood Pt2 (I think its that song, havent listened in several years now) and found it to be a rip off of Learning to Live)with nothing special about them bands like Suspyre and Haken do the same thing with far more creativity and quality.
Blending Neo-Classical Power Metal and prog was a pretty original thing back in the early-mid 90's and, granted SX havent progressed much, if at all, in the near 20 years since but I find their music very enjoyable still with each album. One of the very few vanilla prog metal bands that I still listen to on even a semi regular basis.
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I disagree with you on this last paragraph, bro. They changed their sound since the 90's, but they stagnated after V - Mythology Suite. |
Stagnated? Their last two albums are more metal, and more widely appealing to fans of other sub-genres of metal, than any other of their albums. I, personally, prefer The Odyssey to anything else they've done, but I can recognize the development of their style in the last two albums and appreciate it for what it is as well.
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But they have not brought anything new to the table except being heavier. |
That depends on your viewpoint.
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Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: June 30 2012 at 21:24
dtguitarfan wrote:
CCVP wrote:
dtguitarfan wrote:
CCVP wrote:
sleeper wrote:
Pagan's Mind are a pretty bog standard DT clone (and have even stole whole parts of Dream Theater songs for tracks on Celestial Entrance, I was not impressed when I first heard Back to the Magic of Childhood Pt2 (I think its that song, havent listened in several years now) and found it to be a rip off of Learning to Live)with nothing special about them bands like Suspyre and Haken do the same thing with far more creativity and quality.
Blending Neo-Classical Power Metal and prog was a pretty original thing back in the early-mid 90's and, granted SX havent progressed much, if at all, in the near 20 years since but I find their music very enjoyable still with each album. One of the very few vanilla prog metal bands that I still listen to on even a semi regular basis.
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I disagree with you on this last paragraph, bro. They changed their sound since the 90's, but they stagnated after V - Mythology Suite. |
Stagnated? Their last two albums are more metal, and more widely appealing to fans of other sub-genres of metal, than any other of their albums. I, personally, prefer The Odyssey to anything else they've done, but I can recognize the development of their style in the last two albums and appreciate it for what it is as well.
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But they have not brought anything new to the table except being heavier. |
That depends on your viewpoint.
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Exactly. They do sound a lot different, away from proggy but wider in subgenres of metal.
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: June 30 2012 at 23:39
If i had to take one album between the two it would be Celestial Entrance but overall Symphony X would easily be my choice.
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Posted By: The Mystical
Date Posted: September 28 2012 at 18:11
Yeah, after listening to "Iconoclast", I would have to say that Symphony x's later stuff is incredible. I do love Pagan's Mind's new album.
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Posted By: Chozal
Date Posted: September 28 2012 at 19:06
Never understood why so many people got excited about Iconoclast ... I loved Paradise Lost, and Iconoclast sounded like Paradise Lost - only less diverse. Too many moments when I went "hang on I know this riff ..." to interest me. Plus the exact same production as the previous album.
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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: September 29 2012 at 09:06
^. Agreed! ICONOCLAST is badass. I love it. When i feel like a really good tech metal/heavy metal album I through that double discer on! Great stuff indeed. Saw them live last year. They opened for ICED EARTH.
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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: September 29 2012 at 09:07
progbethyname wrote:
^. Agreed! ICONOCLAST is badass. I love it. When i feel like a really good tech metal/heavy metal album I through that double discer on! Great stuff indeed. Saw them live last year. They opened for ICED EARTH. | Woops! Forgot the question. Yes. SYMPHONY X over PAGAN any day for me. 😜
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Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: October 04 2012 at 13:23
Symphony X for me. Far superior IMO.
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Posted By: prog4evr
Date Posted: October 05 2012 at 22:27
Chozal wrote:
Never understood why so many people got excited about Iconoclast ... I loved Paradise Lost, and Iconoclast sounded like Paradise Lost - only less diverse. Too many moments when I went "hang on I know this riff ..." to interest me. Plus the exact same production as the previous album.
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Agreed. After four years (2007 to 2011), you would think they would come out with something taking it to another level - but alas, no...
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Posted By: Jbird
Date Posted: October 06 2012 at 08:24
Iconoclast, taken by itself without context, is a very good album.
But yes, it does sound pretty much like Paradise Lost 2.0, without some of the diversity PL had.
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Posted By: Prog Snob
Date Posted: October 06 2012 at 09:02
Whoever said Celestial Entrance takes some parts from DT is correct. I also noticed a couple of Fates Warning parts in there. However, the album as a whole is pretty good. This is a tough call. I don't like everything Symphony X has done. I don't like everything PM has done either. In the end however I would probably choose Symphony X. Through The Looking Glass is one my favorite songs ever. (Though it does bear some resemblances to Under A Glass Moon. Anyone else pick this up?)
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