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Topic: The First Prog Punk Band?Posted By: Jonathan
Subject: The First Prog Punk Band?
Date Posted: August 11 2012 at 20:48
What was the First Prog Punk Band? Was it Etron Fou Leloublan, The Art Bears, or This Heat?
Replies: Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: August 11 2012 at 20:56
The Cardiacs.
Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: August 11 2012 at 20:57
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: August 11 2012 at 21:10
But there also were Punishment of Luxury, Spizz Energi or Oingo Boingo at the same times.
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: August 11 2012 at 21:29
Alice Cooper should get a vote....their first LP, "Pretties For You," was signed to Frank Zappa's "Straight" label.
"The first Alice Cooper album is a real oddity baring few signs of what
was to come. Showing the obvious influence of both Syd Barrett's Pink
Floyd and Frank Zappa (on who's label it was orginally released) it
shows a band still finding its legs but there are still some great
tracks on offer. 'Reflected' later became 'Elected' and was a huge hit
in 1972, and 'Fields Of Regret' and 'Levity Ball' also show signs of
what is to come. Not exactly essential, but certainly not as band as
some people claim. Dennis Dunaway still notes this as his favourite
Alice Cooper record."
Posted By: Jonathan
Date Posted: August 11 2012 at 21:50
None of the Bands I mentioned are Punk?
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: August 11 2012 at 22:26
Nope.
Posted By: Jonathan
Date Posted: August 11 2012 at 22:36
Are you sure? Wikipedia says they are Punk.
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: August 11 2012 at 22:44
Nomeansno deserves a mention here.
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Posted By: Ambient Hurricanes
Date Posted: August 11 2012 at 22:48
Jonathan wrote:
Are you sure? Wikipedia says they are Punk.
You can never trust the Wikipedia genre classifications. I've seen some that are quite a stretch.
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Posted By: Jonathan
Date Posted: August 11 2012 at 22:53
Could you give me some examples?
Posted By: Ambient Hurricanes
Date Posted: August 11 2012 at 23:01
^30 Seconds to Mars -progressive metal Spock's Beard - progressive metal System of a Down - progressive rock
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Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: August 11 2012 at 23:02
Early Roxy Music the first 2 albums had an edge to them and were huge influence on the emerging Brit punk scene. Bob Calvert most certainly was a prog-punkster, his solo material particularly. The first 3 Ultravox albums also would be in there, close to Magazine's output.
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Posted By: Master of Time
Date Posted: August 12 2012 at 00:06
Ambient Hurricanes wrote:
^30 Seconds to Mars -progressive metal Spock's Beard - progressive metal System of a Down - progressive rock
They also classify Angels & Airwaves as neo-prog.
Posted By: Raccoon
Date Posted: August 12 2012 at 00:16
Ambient Hurricanes wrote:
^30 Seconds to Mars -progressive metal Spock's Beard - progressive metal System of a Down - progressive rock
you weren't joking! Good ol' Wikipedia.
Posted By: The Stygian Heresy
Date Posted: August 12 2012 at 00:16
I haven't heard the Cardiacs, but The Damned went prog (or art rock, whichever you will) about halfway into their career. The Dickies went arty prog, too, but they kept the punk vocals alongside the ripping heavy Hammond organ. Check out their track, "Caligula". Prog punk at its finest!
Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: August 12 2012 at 00:52
tszirmay wrote:
Early Roxy Music the first 2 albums had an edge to them and were huge influence on the emerging Brit punk scene. Bob Calvert most certainly was a prog-punkster, his solo material particularly. The first 3 Ultravox albums also would be in there, close to Magazine's output.
I totally agree!
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 12 2012 at 02:53
Roxy Music is a good shout although I would probably include them under 'art rock'.
Always thought this was very proggy although Squeeze were probably not really 'punk' just happened to come along at the that time
The Stranglers were the first proper prog punk band imo
Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: August 12 2012 at 06:37
Jonathan wrote:
None of the Bands I mentioned are Punk?
Not so sure about Art Bears or This Heat but Etron Fou Leloublan is definitely one of the first bands to mix prog and punk.
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: August 12 2012 at 08:18
Almost forgot the Subhumans. While I wouldn't call them a prog punk band, they took an admirable stab at prog rock on their album "From the Cradle to the Grave" in 1984. The first side was a string of 9 short-to-medium length songs that segued together, and the second side was a single 17 minute multi-part suite. Probably my favorite punk album of all time.
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Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: August 12 2012 at 10:21
Jonathan wrote:
What was the First Prog Punk Band? Was it Etron Fou Leloublan, The Art Bears, or This Heat?
This Heat definitely had some punkish influences, just check out ' S.P.Q.R.'
Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: August 12 2012 at 10:30
I forgot about Here & Now. This band had a wide range of influences, psychedelic, ragae, progressive and of course punk. The best example would be a live show called All Over The Show.
Definitely one of the most overlooked bands here in PA.
Posted By: mithrandir
Date Posted: August 12 2012 at 18:08
Dr. Z
Posted By: MFP
Date Posted: August 12 2012 at 18:52
VDGG
Posted By: KingCrInuYasha
Date Posted: August 13 2012 at 00:21
Syd-era Pink Floyd.
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Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: August 13 2012 at 01:04
sagichim wrote:
Jonathan wrote:
What was the First Prog Punk Band? Was it Etron Fou Leloublan, The Art Bears, or This Heat?
This Heat definitely had some punkish influences, just check out ' S.P.Q.R.'
Totally agree! This Heat, the 2 first ENO solo albums, Quiet Sun (Phil Manzanera and Charles Hayward)
plus a little ditty called Random Hold (a one shot wonder punk-prog band featuring David Rhodes (future Peter Gabriel guitarist and bassist Bill MacCormick of Matching Mole fame.
BTW, the Stranglers is a good call!
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Posted By: Jonathan
Date Posted: August 15 2012 at 08:31
Ambient Hurricanes wrote:
^30 Seconds to Mars -progressive metal Spock's Beard - progressive metal System of a Down - progressive rock
But 30 Seconds to Mars is Progressive Metal in my opinion. *Sigh* If only they were added to this site.
If we have Coheed and Cambria on here then 30 Seconds to Mars and System of a Down should be on here too.
But sadly, it probably won't happen.
Posted By: Jonathan
Date Posted: August 15 2012 at 08:32
I hereby declare Progressive Rock mixed with Punk a Genre called Pronk.
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 15 2012 at 08:40
Posted By: Jonathan
Date Posted: August 15 2012 at 08:48
^There are so many Metal Genres I can't keep up with all of them. But at least Spu would be better than Mathcore. (No Offense, just couldn't get into the Mathcore Bands. Math Rock Bands like Minus the Bear are good though.)
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 15 2012 at 08:49
^The word Spu.....is incomplete. I thought it tasteless to finish the obvious gag.
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: August 15 2012 at 08:52
Hawkwind.
Songs like Brainstorm, You shouldn't do that, Urban Guerilla etc were committe to vinyl before any of the actual punk bands were actvely making music. The Hawks were clearly more anti-establishment than any of those punk bands, who were driven by the record companies desire to create the perception they were anti establishment. Nik Turner actually had the bomb squad round his house tearing up floorboards looking for explosives.
They had elements of prog and elements of punk, and had formed in the 60's. That makes them the first PP band imo...
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: August 15 2012 at 08:54
Snow Dog wrote:
^The word Spu.....is incomplete. I thought it tasteless to finish the obvious gag.
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Posted By: Jonathan
Date Posted: August 15 2012 at 09:13
Well even though I ain't crazy about Mathcore, it beats Grunge Rock/Post Grunge.
Anyways, Peter Hammil's Nadir's Big Chance was Prog mixed with Proto-Punk.
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: August 15 2012 at 09:27
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Posted By: Heliosphan
Date Posted: August 25 2012 at 11:55
Oh wow, I didn't even this genre existed. I'll definitely check out some of the artists mentioned in this thread.
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 26 2012 at 03:13
Heliosphan wrote:
Oh wow, I didn't even this genre existed. I'll definitely check out some of the artists mentioned in this thread.
actually it doesn't really exist but then pure punk music was not the same as what actually became popular and was called 'punk' imo.
Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: August 28 2012 at 08:19
Hawkwind.
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Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: August 28 2012 at 08:24
Jonathan wrote:
I hereby declare Progressive Rock mixed with Punk a Genre called Pronk.
Pronk is a late 70s term, I think.
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Date Posted: August 29 2012 at 20:36
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Posted By: brainstormer
Date Posted: September 02 2012 at 11:05
What do you guys think of the Cocteau Twins?
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: September 02 2012 at 12:57
Post-Punk, Cold-Wave, Aetheral, Dream-Pop... But not the first "prog punk band": their first LP was released in 1982.
Posted By: catfood03
Date Posted: September 03 2012 at 10:51
I was going to suggest early Split Enz, but that's more progressive-pop, not punk
Posted By: Zombiezilla
Date Posted: September 04 2012 at 19:13
The Damned? They might have held off on busting out the epics until their 1982 album The Black Album, but they always had a touch of the experimental in them. Plus, their second album was produced by Nick Mason.
Here is a recent live version of their tune "Curtain Call." This was Dave Vanian's (vocalist) tune, as he always loved the theatric side of music.
Posted By: Jonathan
Date Posted: March 04 2013 at 11:57
Were The Residents Punk in the 70's?
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: March 04 2013 at 12:06
Ambient Hurricanes wrote:
Jonathan wrote:
Are you sure? Wikipedia says they are Punk.
You can never trust the Wikipedia genre classifications. I've seen some that are quite a stretch.
Jonathan wrote:
Could you give me some examples?
Bee Gees' Odessa is a prog rock album? Really?
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: March 04 2013 at 12:06
Crass
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Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: March 04 2013 at 12:07
is Prog Punk a subgenre? As much so as is Prog Funk, I reckon.
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: March 04 2013 at 12:12
Does anyone else besides me think that the Vandies sounded quite punk in some places on Pawn Hearts ... like ... "Man-Erg"?
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: March 04 2013 at 12:12
Jonathan wrote:
Were The Residents Punk in the 70's?
Jon Savage, author of England's Dreaming, seems to think so. And I must say he had a point there, but it would be less confusing to describe the Residents as proto-punk AND post-punk, not to forget the "avant-garde rock" label...
Er, proto-avant-post-punk???
Posted By: Jonathan
Date Posted: March 04 2013 at 12:14
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Ambient Hurricanes wrote:
Jonathan wrote:
Are you sure? Wikipedia says they are Punk.
You can never trust the Wikipedia genre classifications. I've seen some that are quite a stretch.
Jonathan wrote:
Could you give me some examples?
Bee Gees' Odessa is a prog rock album? Really?
I think you have a point there. They also listed A Flock of Seagulls Self-Titled Debut Album as Space Rock.
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: March 04 2013 at 12:15
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Does anyone else besides me think that the Vandies sounded quite punk in some places on Pawn Hearts ... like ... "Man-Erg"?
I was about to suggest them as well. Not just on Pawn Hearts, but parts of H to He and Wave, and most of Godbluff and Still Life have what I would consider to be a very punkish atmosphere. And let us not forget PH's Nadir's Big Chance.
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Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: March 04 2013 at 20:17
^VDGG were an influence on punk, as were Captain Beefheart, Gong, Hawkwind, Can, Neu! and others.
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Posted By: Jonathan
Date Posted: March 04 2013 at 22:33
IMHO if it was released before 1976 then it's not Punk, It would be Proto-Punk.
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Posted By: prog4evr
Date Posted: March 04 2013 at 22:56
Jonathan wrote:
Are you sure? Wikipedia says they are Punk.
And you believed Wikipedia??
Posted By: prog4evr
Date Posted: March 04 2013 at 22:58
Never mind - I admit I am wrong on this...
Posted By: Jonathan
Date Posted: March 04 2013 at 22:58
Well at least they don't have Shakti listed as a Rock Band.
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Posted By: prog4evr
Date Posted: March 04 2013 at 22:59
Jonathan wrote:
IMHO if it was released before 1976 then it's not Punk, It would be Proto-Punk.
Genesis, Lamb Lies Down - "Back in NYC" Most say this gave great impetus to Punk, and it came out in 1974...
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: March 04 2013 at 23:03
^ Then, I guess, it's proto-punk.
Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: March 04 2013 at 23:51
Listen to Roxy Music's debut and 'Remake/Remodel' with its rather aggressive lyrics, including "I can talk, talk, talk myself to death", we are talking 1972 ! Then try "Editions of You" off the "For Your Pleasure" album. Late 1972 !
rest my case!
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: March 05 2013 at 00:04
tszirmay wrote:
Listen to Roxy Music's debut and 'Remake/Remodel' with its rather aggressive lyrics, including "I can talk, talk, talk myself to death", we are talking 1972 ! Then try "Editions of You" off the "For Your Pleasure" album. Late 1972 !
rest my case!
Seconded. "Do The Strand" is another classic example. "The Thrill of It All" also kind of follows suit.
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: March 05 2013 at 06:54
Dayvenkirq wrote:
tszirmay wrote:
Listen to Roxy Music's debut and 'Remake/Remodel' with its rather aggressive lyrics, including "I can talk, talk, talk myself to death", we are talking 1972 ! Then try "Editions of You" off the "For Your Pleasure" album. Late 1972 !
rest my case!
Seconded. "Do The Strand" is another classic example. "The Thrill of It All" also kind of follows suit.
Thirded (if this word exists...). It's hard to find another band which managed to balance sound sophistication and dynamic/agressive rocking tunes. VdGG lacked this "Rock'n'Roll" edge that Roxy Music could bring at the party.
Posted By: Jonathan
Date Posted: March 06 2013 at 12:45
Either The Residents were the first Prog Punk Band with the Album Fingerprince or Univers Zero with 1313 or maybe even Throbbing Gristle.
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: March 06 2013 at 15:29
Jonathan wrote:
Either The Residents were the first Prog Punk Band with the Album Fingerprince or Univers Zero with 1313 or maybe even Throbbing Gristle.
Mmmm... Univers Zéro has strong roots in jazz and classical music (and they were purely instrumental and not politised). Throbbing Gristle were so strictly contemporary of the Punk scene that they were considered as fully part of this said scene. So, I don't think that the last two bands really qualify.
Posted By: Metalmarsh89
Date Posted: March 07 2013 at 01:06
The Who?
Posted By: Jonathan
Date Posted: March 07 2013 at 11:33
The Who IMHO were neither Prog nor Punk. They put out ONE Proto-Prog Album called "A Quick One" and were a Proto-Punk Band but they weren't Prog Punk.
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 07 2013 at 11:35
I'd probably say Faust - IV.
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: March 07 2013 at 23:46
The Beatles...rotten punks.
HolyMoly wrote:
Almost forgot the Subhumans...
"Worlds Apart" is my favorite. I'll have to listen to "From the Cradle to the Grave".
Posted By: Mirkwood
Date Posted: March 14 2013 at 05:39
I would say Penetration, they formed in 1976, were part of the punk scene. Their album "Moving Targets" which came out in 1978 has lots of progressive elements, some of the songs are basically metal too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxdBB2pKgEA" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxdBB2pKgEA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i5_ScLoI2w" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i5_ScLoI2w http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLvRewk7kGQ" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLvRewk7kGQ also the song "Reunion", not on youtube but whole album is like this
Chron Gen's "Nowhere to Run" EP is also very proggy, I have a hard time considering it punk, but they were very much a part of the punk scene. Maybe a bit AOR sounding at times. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWozk_XieJ8" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWozk_XieJ8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fmFbRvF2eE" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fmFbRvF2eE
Also, Youth Brigade (the California band) has some progressive elements, listen to the guitar work. Great vocals and intelligent lyrics too. They were way ahead of their time with a hip hop song on their album in the early 1980s. Maybe more punky than prog, but great band. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zb9VSGTjShI" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zb9VSGTjShI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6BuoXNGbMg" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6BuoXNGbMg
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: March 14 2013 at 06:01
I've been thinking about ELP's Benny the Bouncer as somewhat a prog-punk song and other of their works like A Time and A Place(could ELP be considered a Prog-Punk band?) but hell I could be wrong
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Posted By: topographicbroadways
Date Posted: March 14 2013 at 06:32
Punk was progressive from day one. Progressive Rock stayed fairly stagnant for a decade which is why it fizzled out.
Whereas Punk has continued to evolve from it's simplistic beginnings in the Sex Pistols, Ramones etc. into Hardcore in the 80s and dozens of Hardcore influenced genres from Grindcore to Thrash metal to Mathcore, Metalcore, Screamo, skapunk, Post-Hardcore. Dozens of progressive bands and movements that can be traced back to the original punk movement.
Punk is the real prog when you think about it...
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Date Posted: March 14 2013 at 09:30
topographicbroadways wrote:
Punk was progressive from day one. Progressive Rock stayed fairly stagnant for a decade which is why it fizzled out.
Whereas Punk has continued to evolve from it's simplistic beginnings in the Sex Pistols, Ramones etc. into Hardcore in the 80s and dozens of Hardcore influenced genres from Grindcore to Thrash metal to Mathcore, Metalcore, Screamo, skapunk, Post-Hardcore. Dozens of progressive bands and movements that can be traced back to the original punk movement.
Punk is the real prog when you think about it...
And The Stooges are the original Prog Punk band. "We Will Fall" from their 1969 debut album is over ten minutes long, and "LA Blues" from their 2nd album is edited from a 17-minute piece.
Just kidding!
The original Prog Punk band is obviously Public Image Limited.
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 14 2013 at 09:47
I guess there's a lot of similarities with punk and Krautrock - even in the early days, but the artist I personally think was the first to sound like a proper punk band doing prog, was Daevid Allen's Floating Anarchy. Here & Now, who was his band for that gig then made their debut afterwards, which I feel is the best example of the two genres meshing together:
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Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: March 14 2013 at 11:04
Most punk was NOT progressive. It was a change from the established commercial forms of rock, for sure. But progressive it was not.
Punk was meant to strip away all of the so-called pretensions of rock and pop, and create a form that would allow anyone to pick up an instrument and form a band. Agression was important. Ability was not. The entire basis of the genre was anti-prog.
Malcolm McLaren even dubbed fis creation, The Sex Pistols, as "The great rock & Roll swindle". In effect he was saying that he could bring together the most untalented individuals he could find, and successfully sell it to the recording industry and the general public, and make a fortune from them. Surprisingly, Johnny (Rotten) Lydon actually managed to develop some artistry in his music not very long after.
And like any music style, a few artists managed to raise the genre above it's basic roots, and insert some true creativity. Although a few of these artists added some progressive elements to some of their songs, that would not serve to categorize the genre as progressive.
Progressive-regressive? Maybe.
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Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: March 14 2013 at 13:55
Guldbamsen wrote:
I guess there's a lot of similarities with punk and Krautrock - even in the early days, but the artist I personally think was the first to sound like a proper punk band doing prog, was Daevid Allen's Floating Anarchy. Here & Now, who was his band for that gig then made their debut afterwards, which I feel is the best example of the two genres meshing together:
I also suggested them. Their post debut album EPs and the concert It's All Over The Show is even a better example of their punkish direction. Are you familiar with it David??
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 14 2013 at 14:43
Hadn't heard Little Things no, but I'm glad I just did though. Yummy.
I have also heard their second album Fantasy Shift, albeit on YouTube. That one sounds like a Canterbury version of The Police.
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Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: March 14 2013 at 15:05
^ Exactly! I like it though. One thing I always loved about them is the fact that no matter which direction the band went, the musicians still maintained their spacey/punkish elements.
About that concert video, it's the only video I could find in utube so I posted it. There are far more engaging tracks in that raw live show.
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 14 2013 at 15:20
Definitely agree about the psych punk core of the band. On Fantasy Shift there's even some ska in there.
I need to get my hands on those eps though. Thanks for the rec Sagi!
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: March 14 2013 at 15:21
Maybe its The Fall as Mark is a big Can Fan
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Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: March 14 2013 at 15:26
Oh thanks Sag I had completly forgotten "Little things". Strangely, I've always associated it to the Biology 2 song of the Sparks.
Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: March 14 2013 at 15:26
Those 79' EPs/singles are actually not that hard to find because they were added to the reissue of the debut (5 bonus tracks), so you actually might know them already.
Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: March 14 2013 at 15:39
I had so much punk Lps and Eps. Even an orioginal copy of the first Buzzcoks signed by Howard Devoto. All gone now. I gave them to a friend. No regrets. I've never been a collector.
Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: March 14 2013 at 15:47
Posted By: Mirkwood
Date Posted: March 15 2013 at 09:50
Certainly interesting, although I don't see why you would classify that as punk.
Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: March 15 2013 at 10:06
You're right, but Szjajner and Devoto came from punk.
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: March 15 2013 at 10:08
CPicard wrote:
The Cardiacs.
I'd say Doctors Of Madness
Their first album is really punk-glam-prog and dates from early 76... and it's quite good too
I wonder if they're now in the DB
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Date Posted: March 15 2013 at 10:25
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Date Posted: March 15 2013 at 10:30
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Posted By: Mirkwood
Date Posted: March 15 2013 at 12:38
Evolver wrote:
Most punk was NOT progressive. It was a change from the established commercial forms of rock, for sure. But progressive it was not.
Punk was meant to strip away all of the so-called pretensions of rock and pop, and create a form that would allow anyone to pick up an instrument and form a band. Agression was important. Ability was not. The entire basis of the genre was anti-prog.
Malcolm McLaren even dubbed fis creation, The Sex Pistols, as "The great rock & Roll swindle". In effect he was saying that he could bring together the most untalented individuals he could find, and successfully sell it to the recording industry and the general public, and make a fortune from them. Surprisingly, Johnny (Rotten) Lydon actually managed to develop some artistry in his music not very long after.
And like any music style, a few artists managed to raise the genre above it's basic roots, and insert some true creativity. Although a few of these artists added some progressive elements to some of their songs, that would not serve to categorize the genre as progressive.
Progressive-regressive? Maybe.
pretty much this.
Unless you talk about proto-punk, I'm surprised no mentioned Hawkwind (or maybe they have and I didn't notice).
Or post-punk for that matter. That can be pretty progressive.
Actually I was thinking many of the projects from (ex-)Bauhaus members, like Tones on Tail, Love and Rockets, and Peter Murphy's solo stuff, those aren't really much post-punk but they are pretty progressive.
Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: March 16 2013 at 14:17
Posted By: LinusW
Date Posted: March 16 2013 at 14:26
Very much enjoy both The Stranglers and Magazine. Good stuff if you like artsy, adventurous punk/post-punk. Their later albums aren't bad either, but more New Wave-ish. Don't know if they were pioneers or actually first in playing that kind of music though.
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: March 16 2013 at 15:30
hellogoodbye wrote:
Not the first, I think. For me, bands like Magazine, Japan and others are the illegitimate children of Roxy music.
They may well be influenced by RM but i don't think Roxy were anything to do with Punk (neither were Japan for that matter) Magazine however, sprang directly from punk
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Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: March 16 2013 at 16:01
I don't agree completely. The sound of the Devoto's Magazine is inspired by punk but by Roxy too. David Sylvian in many ways comes from Brian Ferry.
Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: March 16 2013 at 19:29
Ultravox : Artificial Life. That song, I think, is punk and prog.
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 20 2013 at 11:04
Hi,
I wanna joke and say it was The Ramones!
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Posted By: Mirkwood
Date Posted: March 21 2013 at 06:19
Actually the Dead Kennedys had pretty complicated songs ( but not the In God We Trust Inc. EP).
Besides the surf and other influences, the songs have a lot of different parts. I was in a band that did a cover of one of their songs, and it must have taken 2 or 3 band practices to get it down. Not that the individual parts were hard to play, but there are lots of changes.
Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: March 23 2013 at 23:53