Big Generator is a bit disappointing, but there are still some good tracks on it.

Then listen to ABBA and leave YES to the true fans 

 

Bug Generator is simply a train crash from start to finish.

 

90125                2.5*

Big Generator   1.5* 

 

Hear hear!! At least ABBA never pretended to be anything but a pop band. To hear Yes producing music like this after the sheer magic of The Yes Album, Close to the Edge and Relayer is gutting.

Yes, if you someone doesn't like album you do, they're close minded. Love that logic!

And furthermore, why do you create polls if you don't give a damn about opinions of others?

1) 90125 is a great album

2) find me something better by anybody between 1982 and 1986. Can you find more than 10 albums better than those? 

I've come up with twelve:

Camel: Stationary Traveller

Genesis: Genesis

Pink Floyd: Final Cut

Marillion: Fugazi

Marillion: Misplaced Childhood

Steve Hackett: Highly Strung

Rush: Signals

Rush: Grace Under Pressure

Pendragon: The Jewel

Pallas: The Sentinal

IQ: Tales From the Lush Attic

IQ: The Wake

I have so much more.

 

I agree with every one of those choices bar Genesis. All the others are excellent albums.

 

Normally, I agree with you on just about everything, but Stationary Traveller is one of my favourite Camel albums - and Fingertips may be my all time favourite Camel track.

Why don't you just edit it?

I don't understand when people correct typos or ideas in a second post instead of just using the "Edit Post" feature. 

Anyways.. 91025.

BTW that video of "Love Will Find A Way" is really dreadful  

Iván

Lets see

But really... I agree.

 Well said, sir.

I think one of the main reasons why I like 90125 so much is Trevor Horn studio wizardry. There's so much attention to detail on the record and his production makes it sound fantastic. The songs are also good: there's no weak track on it. The efforts of the two Trevors worked quite well together, I think.

I think Horn stepped back to production duties for BG and Trevor Rabin did his wizardry. But as I recall well Eddie Offord once said that Trevor Rabin tends to sterilize things, and I agree: I much prefer Horn's production. Also some of the songs ar sub par, like the chorus for It's Almost Like Love (like Trevor Rabin also tried to say to Chris Squire).

Your loss is prog's gain

90125 just for the epic " Changes"

So you stubbornly follow a band that was in obvious decline since the Tormato album on the basis that the band is changing, when you could have been opening your mind to a whole new experience in the neo-progressive movement that was developing in England at that time. 

 That's also a way of looking at it.

Watch out for the the Welshmen, the Northern Irish and especially the Scots: neo was more than English and I'm sure some people on the site are sensible about that. For instance, Marillion and Pallas came from Scotland.

Having said that: some of us had an extra good time and enjoyed both the magnificent 90125 from Yes and British neo, and other neo for that matter, coming from the Netherlands and some other countries in the world.

Big Generator seemed to be pushing it a bit.  Maybe it was the cover art.  90125 looked 80s and mechanical but Big Generator looked like a Hello Kitty album.  Still, "Love Will Find A Way" is a great song and the rest of the album is pretty good too, though I'm not as familiar with it.

:)

Yep... Of course side two of 90125 was pretty strong as well....

you are close minded I guess

At last somebody who thinks like me.

What differences top 40 from Prog fans, is that they follow an artist, no matter how bad they turn...Prog listeners  follow MUSIC.

Everybody knows I prefer Classic Genesis fropm any band, but this doesn't mean I'm a Genesis fanboy I'm a fanatic of the music Genesis made between Trespass and The lamb and also a fan of the music they did in the two first Collins albums.

But I'm the most acid critic of post W&W Genesis, to the point that I was called "Non true Genesis fan" in the Genesis forum, because I refused to accept what they did with the music.

The same with Yes, I'm not a particular fan of Yes (Due to Jon's voice), but I found greatness in their music between their second album and Tormato (Even when I don't like Tales, there was wizardry in that album), I was slightly disappointed with "Going for the One", lost my interest for "Tormato" recovered hope with "Drama", but then everything was downhill with some good moments after Rabin left.

Why can't fans accept that bands have a a peak and a pit?

If I had kept listening Abacab and Shapes, I would had lost Marillion, Pendragon, Anglagard etc, etc etc.

Every person has a different reaction.

Probably if I would grab to the remains of the glorious 70's, I would had lost part of the 80's, After listening ATTW3, Love Beach and Tormato, I knew it was time to expand my horizons and search for a new alternative, because the 70's, along with Genesis, Yes, ELP, etc, would never come back again.

It's true that  UK, early 80s Moody Blues with Moraz  and other transitional bands were close to the 70's but they were different and good, then came Neo Prog, which i First found  boring and light, but being the only viable alternative, it started to capture me, but first I had to let the icons go.

Now, I'm a fan of the music Marillion, IQ, Pendragon, etc made, something that would had never happened if I remained exclusively faithful to the remains of Yes, Genesis and ELP.

Iván

You are weird.

I'm going to assume you're joking.

90125 by far.  Used to listen to it a lot but not much now so I wouldn't consider it a "classic" album.  On the other hand, I prefer to continually discover new music as opposed to listening to tried and true classics.

I don't know how you not liking something equates with bad.  I get the impression through this thread that some people feel YES betrayed some Prog ideal by the direction they took with these albums.  That just seems such a narrow minded way to think about music.

Yep

Normal is boring 

Iván

I ain't joking

Heh heh heh heh heh 

Oh, good. Then I hope you realize you're contradicting yourself.

It's not pure prog for sure but I still enjoy listening to it

how??

You say The Mars Volta are lame - it's okay, you're not close minded, it's just an opinion.

you understand that better

you don't like The Mars Volta, someone doesn't like 90125/Big Generator. I honestly can't see the difference.

The Mars Volta is a band, 90125/ Big Generator are albums. For me, The Mars Volta are not my preference. Yes fans who dislike those albums either dislike them or are close-minded because those albums are a dramatic departure from the usual Yes sound and they are not willing to accept change, does that sound better

Yes fans who dislike those albums either dislike them or.. There is no or, if someone dislikes the albums, they dislike them, whatever the reason may be. And you have no right to assume it's because they're close minded (which also may be the case), as I don't have any rights to assume you're close minded because you don't like Mars Volta.

Also, change is not always a good thing. Sometimes it's better not to accept it.

Slartibartfast wrote: I'd rather not listen to either.  I'm not close minded.  There's just music that I listen to and music that I don't.  Just because I don't like or listen to something doesn't mean is sucks.

You just clarified to and for yourself what I already told you but that's good at least you know. I don't want any fighting to go on

Me neither. To be clear, I was never against you, it just seemed to me a little too aggressive to assume someone is close minded just because they didn't accept change, which is, in this case, transition to poppier territories.