Lizard Supper
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Topic: Lizard Supper
Posted By: Icarium
Subject: Lizard Supper
Date Posted: December 27 2012 at 10:34
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what is your favorite sidelong epic, which song enthuse you more, and who do you find more exiting and innovative -------------  
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Posted By: Earthmover
Date Posted: December 27 2012 at 10:59
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Lizard by far. Supper's Ready is great, but Lizard is stellar. But we all do know who's going to win. -------------  |
Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: December 27 2012 at 11:09
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Supper's ready for me and it's not close :) ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: December 27 2012 at 11:15
| Frankly, I love both. Quite different styles, but excellent in all aspects of the music. I'll listen to them depending on the mood I'm in, and enjoy them very much. I cannot choose. |
Posted By: ProgKev
Date Posted: December 27 2012 at 11:36
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Supper's Ready. One of the best epic ever made. And how Hackett revisited that song on his new album.. It is mandatory to check it ! ------------- My Last.FM, Feel free to invite me ! : www.last.fm/user/darkfuneral18 |
Posted By: ayreont
Date Posted: December 27 2012 at 11:44
| Supper's Ready by far |
Posted By: SpectralHorizons
Date Posted: December 27 2012 at 11:52
| Lizard. It is the first prog epic! |
Posted By: lubito
Date Posted: December 27 2012 at 12:11
| Lizard! |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: December 27 2012 at 12:27
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I don't like some of the parts on "Supper", and it flows poorly. "Lizard" has "The Battle of Glass Tears" that drags on and on. But there is nothing on "Supper" that can touch me like the oboe and the Mellotron on "Bolero". Lizard.
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Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: December 27 2012 at 12:39
| Lizard. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: December 27 2012 at 13:35
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Suppers Ready ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: December 27 2012 at 13:54
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No contest. Supper's Ready. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: December 27 2012 at 13:58
someone is smoking some hash  , Supper's Ready No Doubt about it------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
mister nobody wrote:Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: December 27 2012 at 13:59
question here says what is the better epic not one of the first ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: December 27 2012 at 14:39
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Supper's Ready -------------  
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Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: December 27 2012 at 14:52
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Supper's Ready, with Lizard close behind
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Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: December 27 2012 at 15:27
| Lizard for sure. Supper isn't great |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: December 27 2012 at 16:05
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Lizard. I've never uderstood all this love for Supper's Ready. An odd signature is not enough to make a great epic. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: December 27 2012 at 16:07
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Lizard for me too. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: December 27 2012 at 16:27
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Posted By: Eria Tarka
Date Posted: December 27 2012 at 16:55
| Supper's Ready has to be my favorite song of all time. Lizard is an amazing track as well, also one of my favorites. |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: December 27 2012 at 17:24
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i like both -------------
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Posted By: RedNightmareKing
Date Posted: December 27 2012 at 17:47
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I really prefer Lizard over Supper's Ready. Both are stellar, but the jazz geek in me really points to Lizard.
------------- I consider drone metal to be progressive... |
Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: December 27 2012 at 17:55
| Lizard |
Posted By: otto pankrock
Date Posted: December 27 2012 at 17:59
| Lizard |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: December 27 2012 at 18:04
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Posted By: Progmind
Date Posted: December 27 2012 at 18:05
| both, tough call |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: December 27 2012 at 18:16
Results so far point to Supper's Ready what do you have to say about that  ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: December 27 2012 at 18:20
^ I would say "no surprise". What's your point?  And you went for a lame joke about mister nobody. What do you have to say about that?
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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: December 27 2012 at 18:24
why isn't a surprise?? I know because it's better  ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: December 27 2012 at 18:41
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: December 27 2012 at 19:20
| Supper's Ready, easily. I love it all from start to end, while I only love about the first half of Lizard, and don't really care for the rest. Supper's Ready has often been criticized for being only a collection of unrelated songs played together, someone on this thread said it flows poorly. However, I can't hear that, for me it flows perfectly, and even if it's different parts can be recognized, it feels like one whole song to me, and there isn't one single part of the song that I don't enjoy. Lizard, on the other hand, does sound like four very different songs, and they don't flow nicely together in my ears; perhaps it's just because of the silence between each part. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: December 27 2012 at 19:22
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Lizard ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: December 27 2012 at 20:18
This ---and the new Hackett Genesis Revisited 2 is on heavy rotation on my i pod----so amazing---even my best friend who is not a prog fan thought it was great
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Posted By: kenbagen
Date Posted: December 27 2012 at 20:31
Posted By: kenbagen
Date Posted: December 27 2012 at 21:10
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suppers ready
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Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: December 27 2012 at 22:36
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I never thought Supper is that great. Lizard is from another planet. But this is one of the most predictable polls.
Lizard by huge! |
Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: December 27 2012 at 23:07
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Supper's Ready. ------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!! |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: December 28 2012 at 02:52
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Supper's Ready. No contest at all. ------------- 
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Posted By: yanch
Date Posted: December 28 2012 at 06:16
| Definitely Supper's Ready. |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: December 28 2012 at 07:05
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Lizard by miles! ------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: December 28 2012 at 11:13
| I do like "Supper's Ready", but a song that seems to have a profound effect on so many people, it leaves me surprisingly cold. As for "Lizard", it passes me by every time I try to get into it. So "Supper's Ready" it is, I guess. |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: December 28 2012 at 13:23
Supper's Ready, read the thread ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: December 28 2012 at 13:27
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It's not a surprise because I've spent almost 12 months actively participating on this forum and found out that there is an overwhelming majority of progheads who hold "Supper" very close to their hearts.
It's because Supper's Ready is a classic epic, that;s why it holds a deep place in their hearts ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: ProgKev
Date Posted: December 28 2012 at 13:41
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@ProgMetaller2112 - And simply Supper's Ready is more something that you would call more melodic and something that has an immediate impact on listener. From the first listen I was astounded by the greatness of that song. And Lizard? I do appreciate that song, but it's not my taste really, even though I tried so many times. Too jazzy, too avantgarde, too hard to digest in, and serious. I know it's a timeless song, but I don't have to like everything.. I prefer "Red" , " In The Wake of .. " and " Court.. " by far. ------------- My Last.FM, Feel free to invite me ! : www.last.fm/user/darkfuneral18 |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: December 28 2012 at 13:48
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: December 28 2012 at 13:51
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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: December 28 2012 at 13:56
its simply about your point of but the poll say 27 to 13 I believe and people seem to like it more than Lizard ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: December 28 2012 at 13:58
| ^ There is more people preferring "Supper" than there is people preferring "Lizard". So what? That doesn't make "Supper" a "better" piece. You are leaning too much against the quantity. |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: December 30 2012 at 16:55
In this case maybe but it's the quality of the music as to which people are voting and they seem to enjoy Supper's Ready more. ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: December 30 2012 at 17:20
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^ That's one way to interpret it.
Here are the facts: 1) The question is "which one is the best epic?" That means "which one is better", not "which one is your favorite". That invalidates a part of your claim. 2) A lot of people who respond in this thread will ignore the OP and, less likely, the question above the poll choices. These people will assume the question "which one is your favorite". This does not happen very often, but sometimes it happens. Now, anyone, correct me if I'm wrong. |
Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: December 30 2012 at 17:53
| I don't see any difference between "better" and "favorite". I always consider my favorite piece the better one. That's why it's my favorite to begin with. |
Posted By: Sumdeus
Date Posted: December 30 2012 at 17:58
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subjectivity vs. objectivity the problem is it's really hard to be objective with music and most people base their "objective" views of music on subjective emotions and opinions. but I dunno, i can draw the line usually. It's not that uncommon for me to accept that my favorite something isn't necessarily the best, but simply the one I dig the most. like with Yes. I can admit that CTTE is their overall strongest effort, but The Yes Album is still my personal favorite. ------------- http://sumdeus.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - Sumdeus - surreal space/psych/prog journeys |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: December 30 2012 at 18:38
| ^ Before we start annoying each other again on the objectivity/subjectivity matter, allow me to note that it appears that the words "better" and "favorite" are open to interpretation. For years I used to think that "better" has to do with quality and "favorite" with enjoyment. |
Posted By: Sumdeus
Date Posted: December 30 2012 at 18:47
do they not? "better" implies that it is of greater quality than something else, and that the quality can somehow be measured so you can decide. I don't think 'favorite' has anything to do with that, a favorite is simply the one that appeals to you personally the most. i guess one can interpret the words however one wishes but to me it seems plainly obvious that one is objective while the other is not. also I don't recall ever having this discussion on this site before, maybe you are thinking of someone else who annoyed you? I personally have always really enjoyed this topic, i think it's important to consider objective quality vs. subjective preference when listening to music ------------- http://sumdeus.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - Sumdeus - surreal space/psych/prog journeys |
Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: December 31 2012 at 02:46
It does, but I would say there is no difference between quality and enjoyment. I'm not trying to be objective about music, because I think it would be futile. If you can judge music objectively, good for you. I can't.
This kind of discussion comes up every once in a while here, and it can get rather nasty sometimes. But I think we're capable of keeping that from happening.  |
Posted By: Kirillov
Date Posted: January 03 2013 at 08:45
| Lizard, it took me years to appreciate it though. |