Best German Guitarist
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Topic: Best German Guitarist
Posted By: RedNightmareKing
Subject: Best German Guitarist
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 22:55
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The Germans have thrown out a lot of talent, but I feel that the love for their guitarists is weak. So who's your favorite?
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Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 22:58
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Micheal Rother's one of my favourite musicians period.The stuff he did in Neu!, just wow. Simple, but just great. ------------- 
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Posted By: Eria Tarka
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 23:01
| Karoli |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 23:23
| Karoli is too funky for words |
Posted By: stegor
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 23:30
| Love the Krautrock, but in my younger days I played more air guitar to the mighty Schenker than any other guitarist. |
Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 23:31
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Yeah, Karoli's great as well. Perfect for Can. I've always loved his nasally tone and minimalistic style of playing. So unique. -------------
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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 23:43
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Other: Uli Jon Roth. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 00:12
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I like Bornemann ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Lima96
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 00:33
| Bornemann is cool, but I like Jan Zehrfeld's work (Panzerballett) a lot more. So the vote goes for 'other', as JZ is not in the list. |
Posted By: friso
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 02:34
| other; that guy from Guru Guru is the man :) |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 02:41
| A subject I know little about tbh . I voted Frank Bornemann but the only other I have heard is Edgar Froese who is very good. However from Melrose onwards TD mostly used a session guitarist which confuses the issue. Edgar is very good on Underwater Sunlight though especially Song Of The Whale Pt1. |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 03:07
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I'm only familiar with 7 of these guitarists, but I can't help but cast my vote for Manuel Gottsching - for some reason he always reminds me of Steve Hillage.................. ............sh*t, I forgot - Ax Genrich (Guru Guru) is one, rockin' motherf**ker of a guitarist............. |
Posted By: Surrealist
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 03:25
| Nowadays... everything recorded and released is subject to digital manipulation. So the only honest answer here is to go back to the pre digital age and in this case no one compares to Micheal Schenker. He may be the greatest rock guitarist ever. I only wish he played in a band of equal talent. Same for Ritchie Blackmore. Uli Roth is a huge oversight here also. Right behind Schenker in my book. |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 03:28
| No love for Chris Karrer (Amon Duul II) ???.................. |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 04:35
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Progosopher wrote:Posted By: ScorchedFirth
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 04:42
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Another one for Uli Jon Roth! Love that 'sky guitar'
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Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 05:53
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other: Wolfgang Zenk (ex-Sieges Even, 7 For 4) ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 06:28
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Not my field of expertise but my choice would also be between (Michael) Schenker and Uli Jon Roth.
No hair metal nostalgy for 'new Scorpions' Matthias Jabs?
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 06:34
Lots of love for Karrer - don't you worry about that Tom, although I prefer him on the violin. Nobody plays violin as strange and off base as he does  If we're talking guitarists from ADll, then what about John Weinzierl? Love his playing, and to some extent he reminds me of Karoli. You know that cool psychedelic stratocaster sound from the late sixties. Weinzierl was however more rugged and heavy imo. I mean just have a listen to Yeti  Paintpeeling stuff right there!------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 06:42
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As to my vote.............hmmmm I'll have to think about it. In terms of pushing the instrument further than what had been tried before, pioneering skills, then the obvious choice would be Göttsching. Then again I love both Karoli and Weinzierl too - as well as Ax Genrich, Stefan Danielak aka Lupo, obscure frontman off of Silberbart(heaviest mother north of Sudan) Hajo Teschner and Connie Veit from Gila and Popol Vuh. I am forgetting so many here, which is why I'm waiting a bit with an actual vote. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 06:43
Oh and Klaus Schulze included in a guitar poll........ ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 06:44
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Schenker is like a guitar god. Voted Schenker ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 06:51
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Michael Schenker. Had some great compositions too with his own group, like Cry For The Nations and Dancer.
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 08:23
I picked Gottsching but would have taken Conny Veit if he was on here. As you say though, there are so many.  ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 08:45
Jabs was actually pretty good, more tasteful than plenty other 80s shredders. But if you are bigtime into Scorpions, you already know all about Schenker and Roth and 9 times out of 10, people are going to vote for either of those two over Jabs. |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 09:50
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I, as you can imagine, voted for Helmut Koellen. A versatile musician he was, both great on six-string, and a Rick bass sound that just wouldn't quit! And not only in Triumvirat, but on his solo album and session work with the group Jail.
Thanks so much for including him in this poll. |
Posted By: Neu!mann
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 10:07
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Other: Eddy Marron, of the bands Dzyan and Vita Nova. Karoli, Rother and Göttsching would get my vote any other day of the week, but after recently hearing Marron for the first time I think he needs to be included here too... ------------- "we can change the world without anyone noticing the difference" - Franco Falsini |
Posted By: Adams Bolero
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 10:26
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Other: Volker Kriegel ------------- ''Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be normal.'' - Albert Camus |
Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 10:41
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Manuel for sure but Edgar is pretty awesome too ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 10:56
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Chose 'other'
For KARL VAN GRIMMARK of Saviour Machine. Also, the guy from VANDEN PLAS is quite good too. :) Marco Sfogli of JAMES LaBRIE is awesome too. ------------- Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣 |
Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 11:01
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Kalle Wallner, RPWL. Schenker of course is amazing also, but I prefer less heavy metal guitar playing. ------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!! |
Posted By: Cornelius
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 11:02
Michael Rother is a sublime textural guitarist....  ------------- I Like To Drink Cough Medicine..! |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 11:31
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Posted By: Neu!mann
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 11:58
I didn't know the solo album (or the others) even existed: thanks for the tip, I'll be keeping an ear open for them... ------------- "we can change the world without anyone noticing the difference" - Franco Falsini |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 12:06
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Other: Peter Wolbrandt of Kraan. Surprised no one's mentioned him yet. Spacy, and atmospheric, with jazz technique and a lovely tone. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: Droidmaster
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 14:30
| I don't know if many know him, but Torsten de Winkel would get my vote for most experimental and progressive in my view. Check him out-he's played with many of the jazz greats: Pat Metheny, Joe Zawinul, Scott Kinsey, Michael Brecker, Billy Cobham-the list goes on. |
Posted By: Einsetumadur
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 16:56
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It's a bit strange to feature Grobschnitt singer (and occasional rhythm guitarist) Stefan 'Willi Wildschwein' Danielak in a guitarist poll, but forgetting Grobschnitt's actual lead guitarist Gerd Otto 'Lupo' Kühn. ------------- All in all each man in all men |
Posted By: MFP
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 17:01
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Posted By: stewe
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 17:39
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Markus Steffen, easily. Technical, emotional, instantly recognizable. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/trevorrabin/?chartstyle=basic10" rel="nofollow">  <a href="http://steveer.ic.cz" rel="nofollow" |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 19:50
I love the playing and talents of many of these guitarists on the poll (and not on the poll) but voted Goettsching because his textures and shredding and creativity are the things that take me to places, places I like to go, places I wanna be, places I enjoy deep within........Pure magic.
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 20:00
That's it, I'm voting for Manuel as well!!! Not only a magician with a guitar, but also quite the trailblazing electronic wizard. What I really like about his guitar playing though, is the fact that he always manages to keep himself emerged in his 'solos' - I mean, when the man finds a sonic spree of joy, he will literally pursue it to the ends of the earth. The guy has an emotional stamina close to that of Barbra Cartland on amphetamine. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 20:08
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 20:17
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Yep I agree, Floyd between 69 and 72 were right there too - that enigmatic psych pocket where a thing like Embryo got sown together. Killer track imo, and one of the sole reasons for me acquiring the BBC sessions. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 20:24
Is that the short 'Embryo' ?? Beautiful piece, but worked into a beast in concert.
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Posted By: Master of Time
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 20:29
| I chose other. Conny Veit is my pick. |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 22:28
The German prog bands have guitarists....? I voted for Borneman from Eloy simply because I like Eloy. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: May 12 2013 at 15:12
| Frank Bornemann (Eloy), just from the list , without others. |
Posted By: maniax976
Date Posted: May 13 2013 at 02:43
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axel rudi pell?
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Posted By: Lynx33
Date Posted: May 13 2013 at 03:47
seconded, and michael schenker ------------- Mindez elmúlt. Ma már tudom köszönteni a szépséget. |
Posted By: antonyus
Date Posted: May 13 2013 at 08:14
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Uli Jon Roth (Other)
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: May 13 2013 at 08:35
Thanks, I was trying to think of his name!! I always enjoyed his work on "Wolf City." My vote went to Helmut Koellen, as he's the only one of the bunch I saw live, and I thought he was excellent on both bass guitar and 6 string guitar. Much like Greg Lake, he was amazingly talented on instruments and voice, and was a fine frontman. Now, my personal favorite would be Michael Shenker, but I don't consider him a prog guitarist. I play a fair amount of UFO, it is fun & easy to play! His technique is scary, he frets with his index and middle fingers only, much like the jazz legend Django Reinhardt.
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: May 13 2013 at 09:06
| ^hey, Chuck, great to hear from you, and thanks for voting Helmut! |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: May 13 2013 at 13:13
More than one! But Ax G. is probably the best of them all, and the one that should have stuck around and done more. His solo albums are an excursion to insanity and fun! Which might explain some of the fun stuff in Guru Guru better in those early days. But missing John Weinzierl from Amon Duul 2 in this poll is ridiculous and insane. Michael Karoli would be the 2nd one in my list, but John is by far the best of them all! But if I had to choose friends between Manuel, Michael and John, I would say all three or none! End of story! If we want to discuss music theory and the work within the composition, I would say that Karoli would likely get the most votes, since he is a part of the big German music machine at the Berlin Conservatory as were the other members of Can. However, for pure ROCK music, within the context of rock music, west coast inspired, I would say that John Weinzierl is my choice. I can't help listening to James Gurley in "Ball and Chain" with Janis Joplin, and right there not hear John, and then listen to Yeti, and not hear James Gurley ... and John did not stop there ... he kept going and he continued it until "Hijack" ... though I think that the sadness and frustration had already bit AD2 too much by then ... but that album is magnificent. Manuel, fits into a different category ... and I'm not sure that many folks would consider him as valuable and important as the other two, but I think that in the end, the work he did with Ash Ra Tempel and Ashra and by himself, and then with Klaus Schulze, is something that most guitarists do not have the guts to do and try! In the Cakewalk board I mentioned him and someone said that he was too mechanical and just chord oriented, but I did not feel that in "In Blue" with Klaus at all ... but maybe I don't know music as much ... I just love listening to it! But for sheer beauty in transitions ... Michael Karoli would be the best ... check out the transitions in "Bel Air" and then the 2 long cuts in "Soon Over Babbalooma", that went together on the LP. You can not "compose" the little touches and details ... that's just a "feel" ... during the play ... and that is a massive credit to their ability to improvise ... and above all ... the hardest thing to teach in improviation ... listen to those around you and reply with them and work with them, and in music this is hardest ... and most musicians FAIL the course at that moment!
------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: May 13 2013 at 13:28
Chris Karrer is mostly the Rhytyhm guitarist, if it can be called that in Amon Duul 2 ... and his strength is the violin, not the guitar ... and the best example is "Apocaliptyc Bore" ... that Scorpions made fun of with a similar piece and called it "Fly to the Rainbow" ... AD2 was saying goodbye to the drugs and all that, and Scorpions said ... screw that ... let's have a party! Play these back to back ... a very nice 15 minutes of music! And it really tells you about 2 generations and their work ... AD2 was more a part of history and the time .. .Scorpions was just a hit band! John Weinzierl is the name you want and he is the lead in Yeti, and all that I'm pretty sure. ... I could be incorrect here.
------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |