In A Glass House vs. Wind & Wuthering
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Topic: In A Glass House vs. Wind & Wuthering
Posted By: Mr. Mustard
Subject: In A Glass House vs. Wind & Wuthering
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 13:11
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Random observation I made when listening to classical music. In a Glass House seems more Baroque influenced with the counterpoint and overall complexity, while W&W is probably more Romantically charged. Both are amazing, but which one do you like more? ------------- 
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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 13:19
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W&W has been one of my absolute favorite albums ever, so I have to give it my vote. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: proggy
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 13:36
| Not even close...Gentle Giant is generic...Wind is a stone cold masterpiece. Beautiful playing by Hackett |
Posted By: MFP
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 14:30
| In A Glass House. |
Posted By: Larree
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 14:34
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In a Glass House. I stopped listening to Genesis after TOTT. ------------- http://larree.ws" rel="nofollow - The Larree (dot) Website |
Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 14:42
 Pardon me, what makes GG generic ? No other band sounds remotely close to GG... The amount of instruments played by each member alone makes this band anything but generic, and we're not even talking about the intricate vocal arrangments, and I could go on...
While Wind and Wuthering is a good album, my vote goes to Gentle Giant's Glass House... ------------- "One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio |
proggy wrote:Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 14:50
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Neither is my favorite by them, but I'll go with GG, barely. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 15:07
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Glass ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 15:10
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Glass House is real good, but it's overrated in my eyes. Wind and Wuthering is a masterpiece. ------------- http://bit.ly/1kqTR8y" rel="nofollow">  The greatest record label of all time! |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 15:15
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WAW. No contest. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 15:30
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Went with Wuthering. I've never liked the production on Glass House, it always sounds "thin" to me where Wuthering is incredibly lush and atmospheric. I much prefer the live version of "The Runaway/Experience" on "Playing the Fool" to the studio version. Besides, "Blood on the Rooftops" is one of my top 3 favourite Genesis songs. ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 15:31
Why do that if W&W is a 5* album and Trick is a 2* ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 15:59
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More like a 5* album and a 4.5*
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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 16:08
For me, Wuthering could never be a 5* with "Your Own Special Way". Now if they'd swapped that for "Inside and Out" it would be a different story  ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 16:18
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I think Your Own Special Way, although a bit cheesy, is a very beautiful song
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 16:38
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It's a great song. Trick is a snorefest. :P ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 16:41
This.
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 17:48
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In a Glass House: 5/5 Wind and Wuthering: 4.5/5 I give them a tie. ------------- 
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Posted By: Earthmover
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 18:12
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Meh. I listened to Wind and Wuthering once and it was pretty meh. On the other hand, In a Glass House is one of my Gentle Giant favorites. -------------  |
Posted By: brainstormer
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 18:22
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I think a lot of 70's bands were still in the "crunchy rock" sound engineering mode. I admire GG but its kind of like VDGG, it doesn't have a "sonic vision" like even King Crimson seems to have. There is something about the way some bands just expect the notes to carry the vision, without the engineering kicking in, which in the 70's was only happening in a select few bands, perhaps those who were early adapters of all the in's and outs of new recording/processing technology. GG and VDGG are great bands, but sound more like listening to some classical music today. They just don't have the sweeping engineering work that a lot of prog bands have. Even Novalis, Gong and Hawkwind I think were better engineered. ------------- -- Robert Pearson Regenerative Music http://www.regenerativemusic.net Telical Books http://www.telicalbooks.com ParaMind Brainstorming Software http://www.paramind.net |
Posted By: brainstormer
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 18:23
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We have to remember though, since Phil Spector, there has been no excuse. I think it all comes down to the skill of the engineers. ------------- -- Robert Pearson Regenerative Music http://www.regenerativemusic.net Telical Books http://www.telicalbooks.com ParaMind Brainstorming Software http://www.paramind.net |
Posted By: brainstormer
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 18:35
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Listening to "In a Glass House" again, at least the first song, "The Runaway," has some good engineering. Haven't heard the rest of it in ages. ------------- -- Robert Pearson Regenerative Music http://www.regenerativemusic.net Telical Books http://www.telicalbooks.com ParaMind Brainstorming Software http://www.paramind.net |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 18:48
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In A Glass House for me. I just enjoy it way more. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 18:58
I think that's partially true. Although I think good engineering and production is important, I think that if the composition is exceptional (as in GG and VDGG's works), basic/mediocre production can be made up for. ------------- http://bit.ly/1kqTR8y" rel="nofollow"> The greatest record label of all time! |
Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 19:11
Don't really like both albums. 
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Posted By: Larree
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 19:35
I don't care how many stars other people give these albums. I SAW Genesis with Peter Gabriel and after he left the band Genesis sucked donkey nuts. I did buy TOTT and saw the concert. That was the last money they got from me. Stinking pop shlock. Gentle Giant on the other hand... one of the best bands I ever saw live.
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Posted By: iluvmarillion
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 19:58
Don't know how you can call TOTT or WAW pop albums? Some pop elements maybe.
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Posted By: Larree
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 20:28
Easy! Compared to Foxtrot, Selling England, and the Lamb, TOTT and W&W were pure pop to me. Same way that Dark Side of the Moon is pop to me after the growing up on the earlier Floyd stuff. Just my opinion!  ------------- http://larree.ws" rel="nofollow - The Larree (dot) Website |
Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 21:11
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Oh, really? It's that close huh. Glass House while not my favorite, is classic GG at perhaps their peak of complexity. W&W is really watered down through much of it. Not even close to Trick. They must have run out of saved up material. I do really like a few tracks though: Eleventh Earl, One for the Vine, Blood on the Rooftops... gotta love that super-gay vocal part in "Vine", beginning with that ascending synth line, and then "FOLLOW MEEEEE"... and the bit after that.
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 21:31
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Wind... Might be my favorite Genesis album these days... ------------- https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sQD8uhpWXCw" rel="nofollow - It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood...Road Rage Edition |
Posted By: m2thek
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 22:45
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One of the greatest albums ever vs. a great album IAGH wins against almost any album for me
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Posted By: infocat
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 23:02
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No idea of the relation to classical, but W&W for me. IAGH is my least favorite GG. (I've not heard the final 3 albums; natch.)
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Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 23:12
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Quite easy for me. In A Glass House. |
Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: May 25 2013 at 00:11
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Winnnnnnnnnnnnd!!
For me. ------------- Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣 |
Posted By: bucka001
Date Posted: May 25 2013 at 02:23
Mid-period VdGG (from Godbluff onward) purposefully had a live-ish sonic quality to it, that could also be described as brutal or raw. They didn't want to sound "lush" or "warm" like Genesis. I can see many traditional prog fans not digging it. Not too many albums sounded like the VdGG mid-70s recordings back then; later, more bands started going for that more immediate, organic aural sound, but most mid-70s albums were very produced (many overly produced). Now the earlier VdGG albums... those were much more produced (by John Anthony) and had great engineers who went on to make names for themselves in the industry (David Hentschell, Ken Scott, Robin Cable, etc). As for W&W vs. AGH. I used to love W&W and don't agree with an earlier poster that it's pop compared to the Gabriel years. It sort of reminded me of Foxtrot, just four years on (I think I read Tony Banks stating the same thing, which I agree with in many ways). But I don't like it these days. As with TOTT, Banks' keyboards kill it for me. Just trapped in '76, '77. I wish he would have just stuck to organ and mellotron as he did on earlier albums and not delved into the world of synths. And the humorous lyrics (i.e. All in a Mouse's Night) don't have the same sharp wit or vibe as Gabe's humorous lyrics; sans Gabriel, Genesis' humor is kinda lame whereas PG did really have an agreeable left field, off-the-wall sense of humor. I do agree with the earlier poster about the difference between pre and post Gabriel Genesis in that respect. As for In A Glass House... I liked Gentle Giant at one time and used to spin Octopus and Three Friends quite a lot (I owned a lot more, but those were the two I loved). But I never owned IAGG and only heard IAGG once and didn't like it at all. It just seemed like it was afraid to groove. Like it was all over the map (I'm one of the people who got embarrassed by all the instrument switching in old GG videos; like they were trying too hard to show how talented they were when they should have been just rocking out). I don't know if this an "instrument switching" album, but it had that vibe of trying too hard at the time. But I didn't give it much of a chance and am curious to hear it again after all these years. It's supposed to be a classic, so I look forward to investigating. No vote from me until then. ------------- jc |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: May 25 2013 at 02:59
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In A Glass House is a 3 star album for me . I know that's heresy but I like Power And The Glory and Freehand a lot more. IAGH just seems a bit weak compositionally even though the playing is of the highest order. WAW is a 4 star album. Not a very cohesive album for me. The band were in the throws of major changes and thats what comes across to me most although I love the longer tracks especially One For The Vine which is the last great Genesis epic imo. So WAW shades it but neither showcases the band at the top of their game imo.
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Posted By: Eria Tarka
Date Posted: May 25 2013 at 03:31
This
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Posted By: iluvmarillion
Date Posted: May 25 2013 at 03:47
Fair enough. Your opinion. You just happen to be at odds with Roger Waters and Dave Gilmour who publicly stated that DSOtM was the best thing they had ever done up to that point.
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: May 25 2013 at 03:50
| Glass House by a smidge.............. |
Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: May 25 2013 at 12:51
| Wind & Wuthering |
Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: May 25 2013 at 13:08
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Wind and Wuthering for me. ------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!! |
Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: May 25 2013 at 14:39
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In A Glass House -------------  
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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: May 25 2013 at 15:07
| W&W |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: May 25 2013 at 21:45
Lol, even I am surprised it's this close. Glass House is complex but it's also invigorating, stimulating and energetic. It's just full of fantastic ideas and all executed by a band playing with a lot of energy. That kind of energy is itself largely missing in W&W. Which is fine because it is an autumnal album but thanks to Collin's delivery, even the melancholy gets sappy or overwrought for me and I rarely find it convincing. If they had already dropped Hackett by that point, it might have been even more boring for me because it's mainly tracks like Blood on the Rooftops or Quiet Earth that redeem the album for me. And yet Banks always sought to drown him out. |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: May 26 2013 at 18:17
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In a Glass House is a very good 4* album - not GG's best (that's Free Hand) but excellent.
W&W is a clear step down from ATOTT which was a step down from Selling England (I've recently rebought The Lamb Lies Down and it's a real curate's egg; I prefer ATOTT to it). W&W scrapes 4*.
So GG get my vote. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: May 26 2013 at 18:33
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many of you will have seen this, but for those who haven't, it's nice. the band themselves break down W and W. I agree with Tony that it's one of their best, complex, romantic....and better than TotT. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sQD8uhpWXCw" rel="nofollow - It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood...Road Rage Edition |
Posted By: brainstormer
Date Posted: May 26 2013 at 18:45
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Ouch, hearing the beginning of 11th Earl just shows how classic WAW is. ------------- -- Robert Pearson Regenerative Music http://www.regenerativemusic.net Telical Books http://www.telicalbooks.com ParaMind Brainstorming Software http://www.paramind.net |
Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: May 26 2013 at 19:36
One of the maybe two classic parts on that album. Ugh, I guess Banks would maintain its a great album seeing as he drowned it in mushy Banksynths. That guy should be made to take xanax footballs and listen to Calling All Stations on repeat, until he realizes his sins.
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: May 27 2013 at 03:25
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Wind & Wuthering for me, very emotive sound. IaGH is a very good album but like others I prefer Freehand and Power and the Glory.
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Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: May 27 2013 at 11:58
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GG for sure, In a Glass House is classic
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: May 27 2013 at 14:22
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I'm not too crazy about W&W. I think only half of the album is terrific. The rest misses intensity IMHO. Still, I can't get into In A Glass House yet. I admire Gentle Giant for its artistic radicality, but I prefer W&W over IAGH. But ask me again in five years time and I might have changed my opinion.
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: May 27 2013 at 19:58
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Another tough choice........I like the Gabriel period better but Wind is a really good lp. One for the Vine and Blood on the Rooftops are very good. I have always had trouble digesting GG and Glass House is no exception , so I'll go with W&W. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: November 19 2013 at 03:07
Tough.  .Hmm, no vote------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: November 19 2013 at 07:14
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It's funny how people hear production differently. Some have said In glasshouse has great production and is well engineered. My CD sounds very scrambled and weak. Poor definition on the individual instruments. I'm not overly keen on the music either. Sounds rambling and 'noodly' Octopus was much stronger album imo, with more attention to songwriting. I'd say Power and the Glory is better too. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: November 19 2013 at 08:37
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In a Glass House, my first GG, still very strong in my book, even though other GG albums may be as great.
WW, a last breath of the Dying Giant, TOAT & WW are ok albums, but not nearly as interesting as GG's masterpiece. ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: November 19 2013 at 09:19
| GG |
Posted By: bloodnarfer
Date Posted: November 19 2013 at 09:31
honestly I always thought W&W was more of a snore fest. It kind of just goes through the expected swells in dynamics. Like Mike Rutherford said, "its got no balls" On the other hand glass house is a meh album for me. I would much rather listen to Octopus or Power or Aquiring the Taste. so I got to go with W&W ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ramza1316" rel="nofollow - www.last.fm/user/ramza1316 https://open.spotify.com/user/1211221845" rel="nofollow - https://open.spotify.com/user/1211221845 |
Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: November 19 2013 at 10:33
Oh of course I remember this. I agree with it as well, like you Jim. This was an interview snippet that is on the DVD that comes with the W&W remaster edition. I am a proud owner of this. W&W in 5.1 mix. Can't ask for much better than that. ------------- Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣 |
Posted By: proggman
Date Posted: November 19 2013 at 14:07
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Once I was a boy An innocent to life and my role in it This world played my game And anyone a clown or foil for myself
------------- When he rides, my fears subside. For darkness turns once more to light. Through the skies, his white horse flies. To find a land beyond the night. |
Posted By: Xonty
Date Posted: November 19 2013 at 15:53
Not really a massive fan of either but I prefer Wind And Wuthering. Also, I don't really get how In A Glass House is rated higher than albums like Lizard, Brain Salad Surgery, Trespass, etc. Then again I've only listened to Glass House once and I wasn't really concentrating tbh 
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 19 2013 at 15:54
You may have the 25th anniversary edition which is horrible. I bought another remaster which was fine. Musically however I'm with you on having a preference for Octopus and Power and The Glory. I'm also enjoying Interview a lot which might be a bit underated. EDIT - its the 35th (not 25th) that has the horrible sound
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Posted By: ole-the-first
Date Posted: November 19 2013 at 22:42
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In A Glass House
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: November 20 2013 at 01:26
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W&W! ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 20 2013 at 02:01
| Wind & Wuthering |
Posted By: iamathousandapples
Date Posted: November 20 2013 at 10:52
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Even if I wasn't too keen on In a Glass House, W&W was the last of Genesis' perfect albums and is one of my favorites right now, so very very easily Wind and Wuthering.
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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: April 22 2018 at 15:54
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In a Glass House is my favorite Gentle Giant album and also since it is down I will give it a vote. ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: April 22 2018 at 17:00
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Wind and Wuthering....surprise, surprise! ------------- “Living in their pools, they soon forget about the sea.” |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: April 22 2018 at 17:25
This. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: April 23 2018 at 01:03
 ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: April 23 2018 at 02:22
| Wind and Wuthering all the way. |
Posted By: Junges
Date Posted: April 23 2018 at 03:07
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In A Glass House by faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar ------------- 
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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: April 24 2018 at 10:49
 ------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: April 24 2018 at 11:06
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^ Generic.....? ....well, I like Wind better but I certainly wouldn't call any GG album generic. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Olape
Date Posted: April 24 2018 at 13:55
ditto ------------- 
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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: April 24 2018 at 20:58
------------- A curse upon the heads of those who seek their fortunes in a lie. The truth is always waiting when there's nothing left to try. - Colin Henson, Jade Warrior (Now) |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: April 25 2018 at 01:53
Odd, because GG is one of the few prog rock bands where I can hear a steady progression each record, despite their style being the same. I feel the way you feel in regards to GG with ELP/Tull. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: April 25 2018 at 01:58
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^^^ ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: April 25 2018 at 11:37
Well...that's like saying Yes sounds like Yes or VDGG sounds like VDGG or The Moody Blues sound like the Moody Blues....need I go on ..? All bands sound like themselves and generic to a large degree when you think about it. But by far the most generic is everything by Genesis after Gabriel left. ;) ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: zwordser
Date Posted: April 25 2018 at 13:24
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I choose W&W in spite of "Your own Special Way" (which I, like many others, consider to be a bit of a pop blemish); I otherwise love the album and find myself repeatedly listening to it. I also love Gentle Giant and recognize that IAGH is a great album, but it just hasn't sunk in for me to the same degree. ------------- Z |