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Topic: Your favourite prog voice?
Posted By: Neelus
Subject: Your favourite prog voice?
Date Posted: June 24 2013 at 14:07
Could have been more extensive, but there you go...

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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: June 24 2013 at 14:16
Peter Hammill.  He's one of the few singers that really makes me sit still and listen to what he's saying. His personality bleeds through on every track.


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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: June 24 2013 at 14:30
Peter Hammill ...no question.

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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: June 24 2013 at 14:32
Gildenlow

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Posted By: MFP
Date Posted: June 24 2013 at 14:35
Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:

Peter Hammill ...no question.


Posted By: DRONSZ
Date Posted: June 24 2013 at 14:44
Demetrio Stratos?


Posted By: MFP
Date Posted: June 24 2013 at 15:06
Originally posted by DRONSZ DRONSZ wrote:

Demetrio Stratos?

Francesco DiGiacomo and Demetrio are two of my absolute favorite singers.


Posted By: The-time-is-now
Date Posted: June 24 2013 at 15:16
Jon Anderson.

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Posted By: pfloyd
Date Posted: June 24 2013 at 15:30
greg lake

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Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: June 24 2013 at 15:35
Ian Anderson (aprox. 73/74). Not many as great as Ian on APP and War Child, IMO. Perhaps, as you say, Alex, Greg Lake.

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Posted By: silverpot
Date Posted: June 24 2013 at 15:43
Tough choice between Gilmour and Lake. 


Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: June 24 2013 at 15:45
List : David Gilmour

Other : Serge Fiori

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Posted By: Junges
Date Posted: June 24 2013 at 15:52
Mikael Akerfeldt. If his growls count, of course. And only until 2005.

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Posted By: progmatic
Date Posted: June 24 2013 at 16:00
If we're talking singers in their prime, for me it's Greg Lake without a doubt. For me his prime ended with ELP's "Welcome Back My Friends ..." Since then he's sounded more like Perry Como imitating Greg Lake.
If we're talking about singers then and now, it's Peter Gabriel.
And just now, period, Steven Wilson.
If this list was more extensive, though, I'd have far different choices and a much harder time making them. (Annie Haslam? Richard Sinclair? Fish? Dave Cousins? and on and on.)

I voted Gabriel, just because I can't stand what Lake has become while Gabriel has maintained his integrity.  But back with King Crimson and in his early days with ELP (and also on Pete Sinfield's "Still") he was something to hear.


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Posted By: VOTOMS
Date Posted: June 24 2013 at 16:12
i was between greg lake and hamill. voted hamill. but my favorite is wyatt. talking about presence, peter gabriel is the best.


Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: June 24 2013 at 16:30
On this list Ian Anderson but...

Where's Dagmar?

A personal favorite is Bob Calvert (yes I know it's a minority choice)




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Posted By: zeqexes
Date Posted: June 24 2013 at 16:31
Gonna give Neal Morse some love, looks like he needs it. And plus I love his voice too.

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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: June 24 2013 at 16:50
I think if I had to choose right now, I'd have to go with

PETER NICHOLS of IQ.

Even though NEO Prog is not my favourite prog genre, although i do absolutely love it, I feel
Nichols is should get my vote. Master lyricist as well. I adored his voice on THE SEVENTH HOUSE album and SUBTERRANEA. I don't think their is too much better for me at this point, vocally and lyrically speaking.


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Posted By: Knobby
Date Posted: June 24 2013 at 16:55
I like Al Stewart's voice a lot - clear & melancholic loikes.
But he is not prog.
 
I like CALM Argentinian vocalists - like Spinetta Jade's.
 
Well then for pwog  it would have to be Lee.
No, make that Lees.
 
No, make that Justin Hayward.


Posted By: JaySpiral
Date Posted: June 24 2013 at 17:02
If I could vote I'd choose Maynard James Keenan. A lot of the classic prog bands have just not very good singers. However, Casey Creszenso from The Dear Hunter  is easily the best prog singer I've ever heard, one of the best singers I've ever heard period.


Posted By: Nick Dilley
Date Posted: June 24 2013 at 17:09
Akerfeldt

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Posted By: Knobby
Date Posted: June 24 2013 at 17:09
Best is fat bobo from Banco.


Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: June 24 2013 at 17:14
I consider Hammill the greatest prog vocalist ever.  His style evolved exponentially between '69's Aerosol Gray Machine and '75's Godbluff and could run the gamut from smooth falsetto to gut-wrenching scream in an instant.  I was lucky enough to be 10 ft from the stage during his 1990 "Room Temperature Live" tour and I'd never experienced a concert like it.  The crowd was on the edge of their seats, stunned, spellbound, anticipating his every syllable Bowdown

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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: June 24 2013 at 17:16
Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

I think if I had to choose right now, I'd have to go with

PETER NICHOLS of IQ.

Even though NEO Prog is not my favourite prog genre, although i do absolutely love it, I feel
Nichols is should get my vote. Master lyricist as well. I adored his voice on THE SEVENTH HOUSE album and SUBTERRANEA. I don't think their is too much better for me at this point, vocally and lyrically speaking.


But to fair to the poll suggestions I will go with James LaBrie. AWAKE is still his best vocal performance with Dream Theater in my opinion and one of the very best of all time in prog.
Actually, James rocked so hard on AWAKE that he busted one of his vocal chords!


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Posted By: Earthmover
Date Posted: June 24 2013 at 17:43
Hammill. Prog or not.

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Posted By: CryoftheCarrots
Date Posted: June 24 2013 at 17:58
Akerfeldt for me.
Not from the list would be Mariusz Duda.


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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: June 24 2013 at 18:08
Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

I consider Hammill the greatest prog vocalist ever.  His style evolved exponentially between '69's Aerosol Gray Machine and '75's Godbluff and could run the gamut from smooth falsetto to gut-wrenching scream in an instant.  I was lucky enough to be 10 ft from the stage during his 1990 "Room Temperature Live" tour and I'd never experienced a concert like it.  The crowd was on the edge of their seats, stunned, spellbound, anticipating his every syllable Bowdown


Ok thats it. I'm gonna buy GoldBluff tomorrow. I gotta hear him on that album. I hear the track ARROW is so full of emotion.

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Posted By: otto pankrock
Date Posted: June 24 2013 at 18:43
Greg Lake.


Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: June 24 2013 at 19:19
Needs more Damo.

I voted Ian Anderson


Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: June 24 2013 at 19:59
Ian Anderson in his heyday, followed by Peter Gabriel.


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Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: June 24 2013 at 20:31
Peter Hammill, followed by Lake, the Andersons, Gildenlow and Morse.

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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: June 24 2013 at 21:29
I'm glad Peter Hamill is winning this one, he's just such a special vocalist. However, I must vote Jon Anderson... I just love his voice. From this list, I also like Greg Lake a lot, and David Gilmour, of course. Not on the list, I can think of Annie Haslam, Francesco Di Giancomo, and Jimmy Spitalleri.


Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: June 24 2013 at 21:44
Hammil. So hot right now.

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Posted By: Ambient Hurricanes
Date Posted: June 24 2013 at 23:04
Hammill.  It's close between him and Gabriel, and I'm a lot more familiar with Gabriel's work.  But Hammill is just so good...

I like all of these, actually (at least the ones I've heard).  My faves are the two mentioned above, along with Geddy, Cedric, and Joann Hogg (not listed here but deserves to be).

Also, where's Annie Haslam?


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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: June 24 2013 at 23:25
Tough choice.....I like Lake, Gabriel, Ian and Jon Anderson all about the same. Gilmour is also nice.....but Knobby mentioned Hayward and he is one of my all time favorite voices.
 
I suppose as Progmatic said you couldn't beat Lake in the early days wit KC and ELP.
 
Not to start another argument but I simply don't get the thing about Hammil's voice....it's just not pleasant to listen to imho. Some of his quiet moments especially solo lp songs are not bad but when he goes into his emotional 'yelling' I cringe everytime. Sorry but I gotta be honest about it.
 


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Posted By: Neo-Romantic
Date Posted: June 24 2013 at 23:27
Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

I consider Hammill the greatest prog vocalist ever.  His style evolved exponentially between '69's Aerosol Gray Machine and '75's Godbluff and could run the gamut from smooth falsetto to gut-wrenching scream in an instant.  I was lucky enough to be 10 ft from the stage during his 1990 "Room Temperature Live" tour and I'd never experienced a concert like it.  The crowd was on the edge of their seats, stunned, spellbound, anticipating his every syllable Bowdown


Ok thats it. I'm gonna buy GoldBluff tomorrow. I gotta hear him on that album. I hear the track ARROW is so full of emotion.

Dude, you will not be sorry. It's literally the second-best album I've ever heard, only behind Red. I'm so crazy for it; one of few albums I regard as absolutely perfect. Arrow is, in fact, such a raw, emotional track. The scream he lets out to deliver the final word is blood-chilling. It's my favorite VDGG track. The rest of the album is just as good too. It never has a low moment, and each time you listen, a different song is the hero. Never a loss for discovery or freshness with that going for it Thumbs Up

As for the poll, Hammill gets it hands-down for me. Gotta give a shout-out to Mikael Akerfeldt and Mariusz Duda too.



Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: June 24 2013 at 23:50
Originally posted by Neo-Romantic Neo-Romantic wrote:


Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

I consider Hammill the greatest prog vocalist ever.  His style evolved exponentially between '69's Aerosol Gray Machine and '75's Godbluff and could run the gamut from smooth falsetto to gut-wrenching scream in an instant.  I was lucky enough to be 10 ft from the stage during his 1990 "Room Temperature Live" tour and I'd never experienced a concert like it.  The crowd was on the edge of their seats, stunned, spellbound, anticipating his every syllable Bowdown


Ok thats it. I'm gonna buy GoldBluff tomorrow. I gotta hear him on that album. I hear the track ARROW is so full of emotion.


Dude, you will not be sorry. It's literally the second-best album I've ever heard, only behind Red. I'm so crazy for it; one of few albums I regard as absolutely perfect. Arrow is, in fact, such a raw, emotional track. The scream he lets out to deliver the final word is blood-chilling. It's my favorite VDGG track. The rest of the album is just as good too. It never has a low moment, and each time you listen, a different song is the hero. Never a loss for discovery or freshness with that going for it Thumbs Up

As for the poll, Hammill gets it hands-down for me. Gotta give a shout-out to Mikael Akerfeldt and Mariusz Duda too.



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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: June 25 2013 at 00:07
Lake

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Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: June 25 2013 at 00:08
From the list, Jon Anderson. 

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Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: June 25 2013 at 01:32
Ian Anderson , Geddy Lee, and many more, hard to choose though


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 25 2013 at 01:39
Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

I think if I had to choose right now, I'd have to go with

PETER NICHOLS of IQ.

Even though NEO Prog is not my favourite prog genre, although i do absolutely love it, I feel
Nichols is should get my vote. Master lyricist as well. I adored his voice on THE SEVENTH HOUSE album and SUBTERRANEA. I don't think their is too much better for me at this point, vocally and lyrically speaking.

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The Seventh House is spot on vocallyCool

From the list I voted for Greg Lake and would suggest ELP's Trilogy album as his best best work. They hardly needed to 'doctor' his voice in any way. Just that lovely clear English timbre. Just the right amount of baritone to make it perfect. After that the fags took its toll I think.

I would also like mention Justin Hayward and as far as the falsettoes go my choice would be Roger Hodgson.


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 25 2013 at 01:41
Originally posted by Knobby Knobby wrote:

I like Al Stewart's voice a lot - clear & melancholic loikes.
But he is not prog.
 
I like CALM Argentinian vocalists - like Spinetta Jade's.
 
Well then for pwog  it would have to be Lee.
No, make that Lees.
 
No, make that Justin Hayward.

I second Al Stewart and also Justin Hayward


Posted By: markosherrera
Date Posted: June 25 2013 at 01:57
Greg Lake but I prefer John Wetton

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Posted By: Neelus
Date Posted: June 25 2013 at 02:35
Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

I consider Hammill the greatest prog vocalist ever.  His style evolved exponentially between '69's Aerosol Gray Machine and '75's Godbluff and could run the gamut from smooth falsetto to gut-wrenching scream in an instant.  I was lucky enough to be 10 ft from the stage during his 1990 "Room Temperature Live" tour and I'd never experienced a concert like it.  The crowd was on the edge of their seats, stunned, spellbound, anticipating his every syllable Bowdown


Ok thats it. I'm gonna buy GoldBluff tomorrow. I gotta hear him on that album. I hear the track ARROW is so full of emotion.





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Posted By: Eria Tarka
Date Posted: June 25 2013 at 02:50
Cedric (studio only)LOL


Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: June 25 2013 at 03:03
Voted for Peter Gabriel, just above Jon Anderson (both are archetypical vocalists in prog) and David Gilmour.
I have learned to appreciate Peter Hammill as a vocalist, but this is an acquired taste.

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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: June 25 2013 at 04:13
Since Peter Nichols isn't in the poll, I'll go for Gabriel.
 
But as usual, one of my least favourite choices is winning.
 
But it could have been La Brie or Bixler-Zavala, so it could have been even worse.


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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: June 25 2013 at 05:37
Gabriel

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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: June 25 2013 at 06:09
Originally posted by markosherrera markosherrera wrote:

Greg Lake but I prefer John Wetton

Same for me.

1. John Wetton
2. Greg Lake


Posted By: zbida
Date Posted: June 25 2013 at 06:59
That Peter, who is not a killer. Then Jon Anderson and not mentioned here John Wetton.


Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: June 25 2013 at 08:55
+1 for Mr. Gabriel.

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Posted By: musicbandit
Date Posted: June 25 2013 at 10:00
I can't vote here but I'd probably vote for Peter Gabriel in Genesis (I don't think he's a great singer song-writer apart from the melting face album).. Not on the list, I'd vote for Phil Collins, Roger Hodgson from Supertramp, and David Surkamp from Pavlov's Dog. Also, isn't Bob Marley probably the greatest vocalist ever?:) I've tried enjoying Van Der Graaf but I can't seem to like them. Are people who like Hamill (or Van Der....) depressed or angry because I can't find anything enjoyable in his singing at all! I also think the music is very unmelodic. Perhaps I'll change my opinion sometime and eat my words. 

On a slightly different subject, I sold most of my Magma cds recently because I decided that I just wasn't enjoying them very much. The musicians are impressive but the music is generally too repetitive and not very enjoyable. I think most Magma fans say they like the music because they like to show off to people. The only studio album I've kept from them is Attak which is brilliant. I think Magma's music generally suffers from uninspired 'song'-writing.

Finally, how can anyone say that red is a five star album. Just like they're first album, it seriously suffers because of the long improvisation track. Because of this, I could only give these albums 4 stars at most.


Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: June 25 2013 at 10:24
lots of great singers here but I gave a vote to Steven Wilson
love his voice


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Posted By: rocklord
Date Posted: June 25 2013 at 10:38
David Gilmour and Greg Lake


Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: June 25 2013 at 11:19
Would have voted for Annie Haslam and, failing that, Lisa Gerrard.   Since neither singer is mentioned in the list, voted for Gildenlow.  


Posted By: 33rpm
Date Posted: June 25 2013 at 13:52
Ian Anderson followed by Greg Lake.

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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: June 25 2013 at 14:05
Originally posted by musicbandit musicbandit wrote:

I can't vote here but I'd probably vote for Peter Gabriel in Genesis (I don't think he's a great singer song-writer apart from the melting face album).. Not on the list, I'd vote for Phil Collins, Roger Hodgson from Supertramp, and David Surkamp from Pavlov's Dog. Also, isn't Bob Marley probably the greatest vocalist ever?:) I've tried enjoying Van Der Graaf but I can't seem to like them. Are people who like Hamill (or Van Der....) depressed or angry because I can't find anything enjoyable in his singing at all! I also think the music is very unmelodic. Perhaps I'll change my opinion sometime and eat my words. 

On a slightly different subject, I sold most of my Magma cds recently because I decided that I just wasn't enjoying them very much. The musicians are impressive but the music is generally too repetitive and not very enjoyable. I think most Magma fans say they like the music because they like to show off to people. The only studio album I've kept from them is Attak which is brilliant. I think Magma's music generally suffers from uninspired 'song'-writing.

Finally, how can anyone say that red is a five star album. Just like they're first album, it seriously suffers because of the long improvisation track. Because of this, I could only give these albums 4 stars at most.
 
Van Der Graaf is definitely a challenging band. I think their playing is excellent but I have always had issues with Hammill's singing and many of his 'melody' lines.
Never was a Magma fan either..I only have 2 lp's by them ...rarely play them. Good musicians but again the vocals and made up 'language' is a turn off for me.
Red is 4.5 stars for me due to the 'Providence' track.....their 'improvisational ' tracks are hit or miss and I personally would rather have them do another 'melodic' track. btw...I'm a KC fan.
 


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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: June 25 2013 at 14:59
From the list it's between Gabriel and Jon Anderson....Gabriel I guess, although Collins may have got the vote had he been included.

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Posted By: Neo-Romantic
Date Posted: June 25 2013 at 16:53
Originally posted by musicbandit musicbandit wrote:

I can't vote here but I'd probably vote for Peter Gabriel in Genesis (I don't think he's a great singer song-writer apart from the melting face album).. Not on the list, I'd vote for Phil Collins, Roger Hodgson from Supertramp, and David Surkamp from Pavlov's Dog. Also, isn't Bob Marley probably the greatest vocalist ever?:) I've tried enjoying Van Der Graaf but I can't seem to like them. Are people who like Hamill (or Van Der....) depressed or angry because I can't find anything enjoyable in his singing at all! I also think the music is very unmelodic. Perhaps I'll change my opinion sometime and eat my words. 

On a slightly different subject, I sold most of my Magma cds recently because I decided that I just wasn't enjoying them very much. The musicians are impressive but the music is generally too repetitive and not very enjoyable. I think most Magma fans say they like the music because they like to show off to people. The only studio album I've kept from them is Attak which is brilliant. I think Magma's music generally suffers from uninspired 'song'-writing.

Finally, how can anyone say that red is a five star album. Just like they're first album, it seriously suffers because of the long improvisation track. Because of this, I could only give these albums 4 stars at most.

I'm not depressed or angry in the slightest, and they're my favorite band. The melodies are there; I honestly found them to be some of the most memorable lines from any prog group. Even after first listen, they stuck with me. Sure it's not sunshine and rainbows, but there's plenty of other music out there for that. Hammill knew what he wanted to communicate and what it would take to get that point across. I do understand it's an acquired taste though, so no judgment if you're not digging it now, or even ever.

As for Red, I think it comes down to personal preference on whether or not you like Providence or not. I personally do and strongly dislike Moonchild, so it's not an issue with improvisation itself. It's just a track that's meant to be listened to atmospherically; the dark, claustrophobic mood is an exceptional compliment to the other tracks. It also is a great segue from One More Red Nightmare into Starless.

I wrote a review for it a while ago that expounds on this point further. Lengthy, but if you're that curious why people find this to be a true masterpiece deserving highest marks, here's the link: http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=895044



Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: June 25 2013 at 17:41
Originally posted by CryoftheCarrots CryoftheCarrots wrote:

Akerfeldt for me.
Not from the list would be Mariusz Duda.
 
I've just listened to Second Life Syndrome and the same thought exactly hit me. Mariusz Duda is truly excellent - right up there with the very best. And he's a damned good bass player as well.


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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: June 25 2013 at 17:45
Originally posted by Neo-Romantic Neo-Romantic wrote:

Originally posted by musicbandit musicbandit wrote:

I can't vote here but I'd probably vote for Peter Gabriel in Genesis (I don't think he's a great singer song-writer apart from the melting face album).. Not on the list, I'd vote for Phil Collins, Roger Hodgson from Supertramp, and David Surkamp from Pavlov's Dog. Also, isn't Bob Marley probably the greatest vocalist ever?:) I've tried enjoying Van Der Graaf but I can't seem to like them. Are people who like Hamill (or Van Der....) depressed or angry because I can't find anything enjoyable in his singing at all! I also think the music is very unmelodic. Perhaps I'll change my opinion sometime and eat my words. 

On a slightly different subject, I sold most of my Magma cds recently because I decided that I just wasn't enjoying them very much. The musicians are impressive but the music is generally too repetitive and not very enjoyable. I think most Magma fans say they like the music because they like to show off to people. The only studio album I've kept from them is Attak which is brilliant. I think Magma's music generally suffers from uninspired 'song'-writing.

Finally, how can anyone say that red is a five star album. Just like they're first album, it seriously suffers because of the long improvisation track. Because of this, I could only give these albums 4 stars at most.

I'm not depressed or angry in the slightest, and they're my favorite band. The melodies are there; I honestly found them to be some of the most memorable lines from any prog group. Even after first listen, they stuck with me. Sure it's not sunshine and rainbows, but there's plenty of other music out there for that. Hammill knew what he wanted to communicate and what it would take to get that point across. I do understand it's an acquired taste though, so no judgment if you're not digging it now, or even ever.

As for Red, I think it comes down to personal preference on whether or not you like Providence or not. I personally do and strongly dislike Moonchild, so it's not an issue with improvisation itself. It's just a track that's meant to be listened to atmospherically; the dark, claustrophobic mood is an exceptional compliment to the other tracks. It also is a great segue from One More Red Nightmare into Starless.


As far as VDGG, they're definitely a unique experience and if you don't have any leanings to the extreme dark side of prog (both lyrically and musically) they can be a real downer LOL

I think 70's Crimso improv's could be hit or miss.  When they missed...ouch, but when they hit...lightning struck!  I understand why "Moonchild" is on the album and what they were trying to accomplish - and I love the song-like beginning and the semi-structured ending, but I don't find the free-improv middle to be very interesting.  Besides the well-known improv's on Red & Bible Black, there's quite a few gems to be found on the original 4CD Great Deceiver box set (my favourite being the one with Fripp's great introduction, "A voyage to the centre of the cosmos, subtitled, my mate Atman").


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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: June 25 2013 at 17:55
Originally posted by musicbandit musicbandit wrote:

I can't vote here but I'd probably vote for Peter Gabriel in Genesis (I don't think he's a great singer song-writer apart from the melting face album).. Not on the list, I'd vote for Phil Collins, Roger Hodgson from Supertramp, and David Surkamp from Pavlov's Dog. Also, isn't Bob Marley probably the greatest vocalist ever?:) I've tried enjoying Van Der Graaf but I can't seem to like them. Are people who like Hamill (or Van Der....) depressed or angry because I can't find anything enjoyable in his singing at all! I also think the music is very unmelodic. Perhaps I'll change my opinion sometime and eat my words. 

On a slightly different subject, I sold most of my Magma cds recently because I decided that I just wasn't enjoying them very much. The musicians are impressive but the music is generally too repetitive and not very enjoyable. I think most Magma fans say they like the music because they like to show off to people. The only studio album I've kept from them is Attak which is brilliant. I think Magma's music generally suffers from uninspired 'song'-writing.

Finally, how can anyone say that red is a five star album. Just like they're first album, it seriously suffers because of the long improvisation track. Because of this, I could only give these albums 4 stars at most.
 
Many of your views echo mine quite closely, but I think 4* for Red is somewhat generous. I think it's a 3* album, spoiled not in any way by Wetton's vocals but largely due to the guitar playing - I'm one of those who cannot see why some people revere Fripp.
 
Likewise, I think Magma are excellent musicians playing unenjoyable music.
 
But the band that is and always has been ruined by the vocals for me is VDGG. Oh, and Dream Theater.


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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: June 25 2013 at 19:49
Originally posted by musicbandit musicbandit wrote:

On a slightly different subject, I sold most of my Magma cds recently because I decided that I just wasn't enjoying them very much. The musicians are impressive but the music is generally too repetitive and not very enjoyable. I think most Magma fans say they like the music because they like to show off to people.

Dear God, people do have different tastes, if I was listening to Magma to impress people that would be a bizarre approach, who exactly am I impressing?



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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: June 25 2013 at 21:23
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:


Originally posted by musicbandit musicbandit wrote:

On a slightly different subject, I sold most of my Magma cds recently because I decided that I just wasn't enjoying them very much. The musicians are impressive but the music is generally too repetitive and not very enjoyable. I think most Magma fans say they like the music because they like to show off to people.

Dear God, people do have different tastes, if I was listening to Magma to impress people that would be a bizarre approach, who exactly am I impressing?


Your lord and Saviour Jesus Christ??

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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: June 25 2013 at 21:40
Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:


Originally posted by musicbandit musicbandit wrote:

On a slightly different subject, I sold most of my Magma cds recently because I decided that I just wasn't enjoying them very much. The musicians are impressive but the music is generally too repetitive and not very enjoyable. I think most Magma fans say they like the music because they like to show off to people.

Dear God, people do have different tastes, if I was listening to Magma to impress people that would be a bizarre approach, who exactly am I impressing?


Your lord and Saviour Jesus Christ??


Er no LOL

I do like the whole 'I don't like it so anyone else listening to it must just be showing off' argument, does he have any idea what a colossal waste of time that would be for bugger all effect?


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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: June 25 2013 at 23:13
Peter Gabriel got my vote.


Posted By: bucka001
Date Posted: June 26 2013 at 05:55
Originally posted by musicbandit musicbandit wrote:

I can't vote here but I'd probably vote for Peter Gabriel in Genesis (I don't think he's a great singer song-writer apart from the melting face album).. Not on the list, I'd vote for Phil Collins, Roger Hodgson from Supertramp, and David Surkamp from Pavlov's Dog. Also, isn't Bob Marley probably the greatest vocalist ever?:) I've tried enjoying Van Der Graaf but I can't seem to like them. Are people who like Hamill (or Van Der....) depressed or angry because I can't find anything enjoyable in his singing at all! I also think the music is very unmelodic. Perhaps I'll change my opinion sometime and eat my words. 

On a slightly different subject, I sold most of my Magma cds recently because I decided that I just wasn't enjoying them very much. The musicians are impressive but the music is generally too repetitive and not very enjoyable. I think most Magma fans say they like the music because they like to show off to people. The only studio album I've kept from them is Attak which is brilliant. I think Magma's music generally suffers from uninspired 'song'-writing.
 
 
Hammill's voice is definitely an acquired taste, but once it clicks (if it ever does) it's perfect. If you haven't totally given up on VdGG/PH, I'd try the earlier albums (The Least, H to He, Foolsmate) when his voice was smoother and possibly more palatable, before the harsh rawness that appeared shortly after and turns some people off.
 
I love Magma, but I can't deny what you're saying when you speak of the repetitiveness! It works for me, but I can see where some people might not like it. Two things for sure, though: Magma fans aren't into them because we like to show off to people (I just like the music); and it might sound like "uninspired 'song' writing" to you, but keep in mind that in most cases it's just not the standard "song" structure that they're going for. There's very little "verse, chorus, verse, chorus, bridge, verse, chorus, fade" structure in their music and there's not meant to be. But, yeah, another band that I wouldn't play for certain friends of mine because I know they'd call it an early night ("Oh... yeah... I just remembered I have to do something tomorrow, gotta split [MDK playing in background])."
 
 
 
 


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Posted By: Rando
Date Posted: June 26 2013 at 11:17
Originally posted by Neelus Neelus wrote:

Could have been more extensive, but there you go...


Peter Gabriel, but Phil Collins still should have been included in the list despite all the Collins-haters out there. Trick Of The Tail,  Wind & Wuthering, and then covering the rest of the repertoire on stage wasn't too shabby. I'd say.

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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: June 26 2013 at 13:51
Another vote for Lake.
I didn't notice anybody mentioning Fish? and if we move to the fringes, Freddy Mercury or Roger Daltrey?


Posted By: Neelus
Date Posted: June 26 2013 at 15:15
Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Another vote for Lake.
I didn't notice anybody mentioning Fish? and if we move to the fringes, Freddy Mercury or Roger Daltrey?

Freddy Mercury was a great voice and a frontman equalled by very few in my humble opinion.  His music not as proggy as many on my list, but a force of nature indeed.  That man gave it all on stage.  Fantastic artist.


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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: June 26 2013 at 17:49
Originally posted by Neelus Neelus wrote:

Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Another vote for Lake.
I didn't notice anybody mentioning Fish? and if we move to the fringes, Freddy Mercury or Roger Daltrey?

Freddy Mercury was a great voice and a frontman equalled by very few in my humble opinion.  His music not as proggy as many on my list, but a force of nature indeed.  That man gave it all on stage.  Fantastic artist.
No question there.  I saw Queen in '77, '78, & '80 and no one could work a crowd like Freddie.  What I think most people may not realize is that he was also a really good pianist (though Brian May has said Freddie was very self-conscious about his keyboard skills).  His passing was so sad but at least they were able to get it together to record "Innuendo" before it was too late Clap


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Posted By: RedNightmareKing
Date Posted: June 26 2013 at 19:28
Threw my vote to Mr. Gilmour. He honestly is one of the best voices in music. 

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Posted By: ole-the-first
Date Posted: June 26 2013 at 19:45
Peter Hammill

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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: June 26 2013 at 20:38
Jon Anderson

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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: June 26 2013 at 21:15
Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

.......I think 70's Crimso improv's could be hit or miss.  When they missed...ouch, but when they hit...lightning struck!  I understand why "Moonchild" is on the album and what they were trying to accomplish - and I love the song-like beginning and the semi-structured ending, but I don't find the free-improv middle to be very interesting.  Besides the well-known improv's on Red & Bible Black, there's quite a few gems to be found on the original 4CD Great Deceiver box set (my favourite being the one with Fripp's great introduction, "A voyage to the centre of the cosmos, subtitled, my mate Atman").
 
 
 
I always wondered who did that speaking intro.....so it was Fripp then.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: June 26 2013 at 21:37
Originally posted by Rando Rando wrote:


Originally posted by Neelus Neelus wrote:

Could have been more extensive, but there you go...

Peter Gabriel, but Phil Collins still should have been included in the list despite all the Collins-haters out there. Trick Of The Tail,  Wind & Wuthering, and then covering the rest of the repertoire on stage wasn't too shabby. I'd say.Smile


I really like Collins as a singer much better than Gabriel.


Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: June 26 2013 at 23:12
Hamill will always be one of my favourite singers ever. I just love that raw energy and dynamic in his voice, liked much more in the later years though when in deepened. Never get tired of hearing it. Cedric would be my second choice, certainly my favourite band on the list. But man, his voice is something else. Weird, but great.


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Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: June 26 2013 at 23:13
Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by Rando Rando wrote:


Originally posted by Neelus Neelus wrote:

Could have been more extensive, but there you go...

Peter Gabriel, but Phil Collins still should have been included in the list despite all the Collins-haters out there. Trick Of The Tail,  Wind & Wuthering, and then covering the rest of the repertoire on stage wasn't too shabby. I'd say.Smile


I really like Collins as a singer much better than Gabriel.

Collins could actually sing, rather than sounding like an old goat.


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Posted By: infocat
Date Posted: June 26 2013 at 23:19
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Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: June 26 2013 at 23:22
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Needs more Damo.

I voted Ian Anderson

Yeesss. I'd vote him for Peking O alone.


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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: June 26 2013 at 23:32
I love how I'm the only one who voted for JAMES LABRIE.



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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: June 27 2013 at 01:10
Funny how many people often remark how controversial Hammill's voice and singing style is, and yet he is leading the poll easily Wink


Posted By: cry-hologenic
Date Posted: June 27 2013 at 01:44
Jon Anderson is the "progvoice" for me. Daniel Gildenlow for the prog metal.


Posted By: Neelus
Date Posted: June 27 2013 at 01:54
Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

I love how I'm the only one who voted for JAMES LABRIE.



Big smile...Yeah, you will also notice that I split the poll in a way, with all the classic singers in the top, and more modern-ish singers at the bottom.  It is clear most of us prefer the classic voices.  Nothing wrong with that obviously, I am one of them, just something to note.


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Posted By: 1970sgenesisfan
Date Posted: June 27 2013 at 01:58
Well. I can't vote yet, but from the list, my top 3 would be:

1. Hammill
2. Gabriel
3. Lake

Hammill & Gabriel are incredibly close.


Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: June 27 2013 at 03:22
Phil Collins, not even mentioned pffft...

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Posted By: bucka001
Date Posted: June 27 2013 at 05:46
Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Funny how many people often remark how controversial Hammill's voice and singing style is, and yet he is leading the poll easily Wink
 
Yeah, but he's sold a fraction of the albums that Gabriel, Anderson (both Jon & Ian), Gilmour, and some of the others on the list have. I say this while stating that he's my fave vocalist as well, and there are certain things about the above singers that grate on me while Hammill's voice doesn't! I'm not saying that Hammill hasn't accrued a worldwide following or sold a lot of albums -- he's done both -- but there's no denying that for those who can't get into VdGG, it's The Voice that's killed it for many people. He's still a "success" and has too big of a following to be called "obscure," but he'll never be a household name or a mega-star like the others.


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Posted By: giselle
Date Posted: June 27 2013 at 07:01
Yes, Peter Hammill for me


Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: June 27 2013 at 07:08
And if we stretch another bit the boundaries of Prog, I'd say David Bowie is one of the greatest pop-rock singers ever, the modern Sinatra.


Posted By: Guitar Noir
Date Posted: June 27 2013 at 11:33
Phil Collins, for me. 

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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: June 27 2013 at 21:33
Originally posted by Fox On The Rocks Fox On The Rocks wrote:


Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by Rando Rando wrote:


Originally posted by Neelus Neelus wrote:

Could have been more extensive, but there you go...

Peter Gabriel, but Phil Collins still should have been included in the list despite all the Collins-haters out there. Trick Of The Tail,  Wind & Wuthering, and then covering the rest of the repertoire on stage wasn't too shabby. I'd say.Smile


I really like Collins as a singer much better than Gabriel.
Collins could actually sing, rather than sounding like an old goat.


Nice to find someone that agrees with me about Gabriel. I still love Gabrel led Genesis though, much better than Collins led Genesis, but that's because of the quality of the songs, not the quality of the vocals.


Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: June 27 2013 at 21:36
Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by Fox On The Rocks Fox On The Rocks wrote:


Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by Rando Rando wrote:


Originally posted by Neelus Neelus wrote:

Could have been more extensive, but there you go...

Peter Gabriel, but Phil Collins still should have been included in the list despite all the Collins-haters out there. Trick Of The Tail,  Wind & Wuthering, and then covering the rest of the repertoire on stage wasn't too shabby. I'd say.Smile


I really like Collins as a singer much better than Gabriel.
Collins could actually sing, rather than sounding like an old goat.


Nice to find someone that agrees with me about Gabriel. I still love Gabrel led Genesis though, much better than Collins led Genesis, but that's because of the quality of the songs, not the quality of the vocals.


You can count me in as well on this.

Phil Collins has one of the very best voices in prog, period.

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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: June 27 2013 at 21:41
Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Funny how many people often remark how controversial Hammill's voice and singing style is, and yet he is leading the poll easily Wink


Well he is definitely an aquired taste. Not many really understand why he sings the way he sings on some albums.
What I will say is that he is one of the very best singers in prog who can convey so much emotion with every syllable he sings in his lyrics.

Top songs for me are on GOLDBLUFF.

ARROW

and the bonus track forsaken Garden.

Wow.   

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Posted By: The Mystical
Date Posted: June 28 2013 at 19:05
Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

And if we stretch another bit the boundaries of Prog, I'd say David Bowie is one of the greatest pop-rock singers ever, the modern Sinatra.

Such an incredible voice. 


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Posted By: The Mystical
Date Posted: June 28 2013 at 19:07
I voted for Jon Anderson. He has such a spiritual voice and lyrics. He was perfect for Yes, but also proved himself to be an excellent solo musician.

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Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: June 28 2013 at 20:11
Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by Fox On The Rocks Fox On The Rocks wrote:


Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by Rando Rando wrote:


Originally posted by Neelus Neelus wrote:

Could have been more extensive, but there you go...

Peter Gabriel, but Phil Collins still should have been included in the list despite all the Collins-haters out there. Trick Of The Tail,  Wind & Wuthering, and then covering the rest of the repertoire on stage wasn't too shabby. I'd say.Smile


I really like Collins as a singer much better than Gabriel.
Collins could actually sing, rather than sounding like an old goat.


Nice to find someone that agrees with me about Gabriel. I still love Gabrel led Genesis though, much better than Collins led Genesis, but that's because of the quality of the songs, not the quality of the vocals.


You can count me in as well on this.

Phil Collins has one of the very best voices in prog, period.

Collins just had a nice, smooth voice, perfect for the music they were making later on. I think where Peter has the advantage is definitely in that context, the music they were making with him was much more complimentary to his vocal style and approach - a bit darker, a little rougher. Collins is a little easier on the ears, I think we can all agree on that. Big smile I like his stage presence more as well, on contrary to popular opinion. 


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Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: June 28 2013 at 20:16
My favourite Hammill moment has got to be the Sleepwalkers. He maintains such a great dynamic throughout that whole entire tune, some really powerful moments too. Incredible.


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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: June 28 2013 at 22:41
Originally posted by Fox On The Rocks Fox On The Rocks wrote:

My favourite Hammill moment has got to be the Sleepwalkers. He maintains such a great dynamic throughout that whole entire tune, some really powerful moments too. Incredible.


Indeed that song is remarkable. I wouldn't be surprised if it happened to be influential for extreme metal bands. It would be great to hear a metal cover from it, actually. And I could imagine Hamill being great as a metal singer too.


Posted By: Neelus
Date Posted: June 29 2013 at 01:52
Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by Fox On The Rocks Fox On The Rocks wrote:

My favourite Hammill moment has got to be the Sleepwalkers. He maintains such a great dynamic throughout that whole entire tune, some really powerful moments too. Incredible.


Indeed that song is remarkable. I wouldn't be surprised if it happened to be influential for extreme metal bands. It would be great to hear a metal cover from it, actually. And I could imagine Hamill being great as a metal singer too.


If we talking favourite Hammill moments, mine is on Still Life (the title track).  His performance on that record really took my appreciation of his work to another level.


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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: June 29 2013 at 10:25
Peter Gabriel is my favorite vocalist in general.

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