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Topic: 70's albums with advanced sounding keyboardsPosted By: Prog_Traveller
Subject: 70's albums with advanced sounding keyboards
Date Posted: July 11 2014 at 23:22
There's a few albums from the seventies that have synthesizers that to me sound a bit ahead of their time. A few examples include:
ELP-Brain salad surgery
Kraftwerk-Autobahn
YES-Relayer
Pink Floyd-Wish you were here.
These are just a few off the top of my head. What else?
Replies: Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: July 11 2014 at 23:36
Many of Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze and even Pink Floyd offered albums displaying brilliant synth technology.
Curved Air also, with Francis Monkman's thirst for experimentalism.......
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: July 12 2014 at 00:43
Genesis displayed advanced sounding keyboards
Genesis - Selling England by the Pound
Genesis - The Lamb
And a few others by them
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Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: July 12 2014 at 01:14
I would agree with Lamb but not SEBTP as far as having advanced sounding keyboards. The lamb really kicks things up a notch from having no synths just a few years before. Tony seems to go crazy on the Lamb.
Also, I agree with Tangerine Dream.
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: July 12 2014 at 02:51
Prog_Traveller wrote:
There's a few albums from the seventies that have synthesizers that to me sound a bit ahead of their time. A few examples include:
ELP-Brain salad surgery
Kraftwerk-Autobahn
YES-Relayer
Pink Floyd-Wish you were here.
These are just a few off the top of my head. What else?
It's not by chance. BBS was the first album featuring a polyphonic synth, the prototype of the Polymoog (credited as 'the Moog polyphonic ensemble' as it included also the monophonic solo synth Lyra which was also a unique instrument).
On Relayer Moraz used also a unique synth, the triple-manual Vako Orchestron operating with optical disc technology.
As for Wish You Were Here I also think that it marked a sound maturity for the band capitalising on all they had learnt during the recording of DSOTM.
I'm not too familiar with the equipment used in Autobahn but I'm not surprised either since sound innovation was one of the defining traits of Kraftwerk.
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: July 12 2014 at 02:55
Prog_Traveller wrote:
I would agree with Lamb but not SEBTP as far as having advanced sounding keyboards. The lamb really kicks things up a notch from having no synths just a few years before. Tony seems to go crazy on the Lamb.
Also, I agree with Tangerine Dream.
Have you heard The Cinema Show? That has a fantastic display of keyboards. Just listen in
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: July 12 2014 at 03:34
Klaus Schulze's X is about as advanced sounding as keyboards got in the 70s. Hell, they still sound remarkably fresh and innovative today. That is quite the feat considering just how much the electronic branch of music has changed and evolved over the years. There is a million miles between Burial and the esoteric stuff people were digging back then. Million!
X is like a trip to space with a German sonic version of Stanley Kubrick.
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Date Posted: July 12 2014 at 03:37
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: July 12 2014 at 03:57
How about talking to other people instead of always machinegunning vids and covers?
This forum tries it's best to be about intergalactic communication and music, not so much about spamming.
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: July 12 2014 at 04:23
Jean Paul Sartre once coined the infamous epithet Hell is other People. He was of course long dead by the time Mr & Mrs Svetonio decided to bequeath their connubial fruit to an unsuspecting world. JPS was wrong. Hell is a nightclub where Svetonio is the resident DJ on the video jukebox. Said technology is wireless and oxygen powered so cannot be disabled. The establishment has no doors, they don't even have a liquor license and the chicks all look like the results of a miscegnation between Michael Myers and a hamster.
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: July 12 2014 at 04:37
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Posted By: rdtprog
Date Posted: July 12 2014 at 04:47
ExittheLemming wrote:
Jean Paul Sartre once coined the infamous epithet Hell is other People. He was of course long dead by the time Mr & Mrs Svetonio decided to bequeath their connubial fruit to an unsuspecting world. JPS was wrong. Hell is a nightclub where Svetonio is the resident DJ on the video jukebox. Said technology is wireless and oxygen powered so cannot be disabled. The establishment has no doors, they don't even have a liquor license and the chicks all look like the results of a miscegnation between Michael Myers and a hamster.
JPS was not wrong, because your comments prove that you can imagine anything you want by "other People", everything that is out of our own control. Mine would be "Hell is radio, secondary smoke, publicity, dust and maybe serial killers..." By the way, "Svetonio" is our own lad on Prog Archives?
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 12 2014 at 04:53
The Who - Who's Next had remnants of Pete Townsend's Lighthouse Project that was very advanced for its time (about 1971)
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: July 12 2014 at 05:00
I really don't see a problem with these beautiful, b.c. graphics..
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: July 12 2014 at 05:06
richardh wrote:
The Who - Who's Next had remnants of Pete Townsend's Lighthouse Project that was very advanced for its time (about 1971)
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: July 12 2014 at 05:07
rdtprog wrote:
ExittheLemming wrote:
Jean Paul Sartre once coined the infamous epithet Hell is other People. He was of course long dead by the time Mr & Mrs Svetonio decided to bequeath their connubial fruit to an unsuspecting world. JPS was wrong. Hell is a nightclub where Svetonio is the resident DJ on the video jukebox. Said technology is wireless and oxygen powered so cannot be disabled. The establishment has no doors, they don't even have a liquor license and the chicks all look like the results of a miscegnation between Michael Myers and a hamster.
JPS was not wrong, because your comments prove that you can imagine anything you want by "other People", everything that is out of our own control. Mine would be "Hell is radio, secondary smoke, publicity, dust and maybe serial killers..." By the way, "Svetonio" is our own lad on Prog Archives?
BTW many generals are deservedly murdered by their own troops.What's the view like from inside your own backside?
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Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: July 12 2014 at 05:14
Everything listed so far is fairly typical analogue stuff from the '70s. Autobahn features the same synth that was used on Abbey Road. It's not until about 1977/78 that you start hearing 'futuristic' synths, because those same synths were still being used in the '80s.
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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: July 12 2014 at 05:34
zravkapt wrote:
Everything listed so far is fairly typical analogue stuff from the '70s. Autobahn features the same synth that was used on Abbey Road. It's not until about 1977/78 that you start hearing 'futuristic' synths, because those same synths were still being used in the '80s.
It was earlier..
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: July 12 2014 at 05:39
Svetonio wrote:
zravkapt wrote:
Everything listed so far is fairly typical analogue stuff from the '70s. Autobahn features the same synth that was used on Abbey Road. It's not until about 1977/78 that you start hearing 'futuristic' synths, because those same synths were still being used in the '80s.
It was earlier..
F.u.c.k off and die you clueless c.u.n.t
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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: July 12 2014 at 05:42
ExittheLemming wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
zravkapt wrote:
Everything listed so far is fairly typical analogue stuff from the '70s. Autobahn features the same synth that was used on Abbey Road. It's not until about 1977/78 that you start hearing 'futuristic' synths, because those same synths were still being used in the '80s.
It was earlier..
F.u.c.k off and die you clueless c.u.n.t
Yea, go ahead, show your true nature
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: July 12 2014 at 05:45
If I go down and take you with me it will all have been worthwhile.
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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: July 12 2014 at 05:50
ExittheLemming wrote:
If I go down and take you with me it will all have been worthwhile.
No you'll never "go down" as moderator allows you to insult me.
Oh and the moderator do the same from time to time so why should not you too?
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 12 2014 at 05:59
..anyway - from 2974 or there abouts: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=3267" rel="nofollow - Seventh Wave
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: July 12 2014 at 06:01
Svetonio wrote:
ExittheLemming wrote:
If I go down and take you with me it will all have been worthwhile.
No you'll never "go down" as moderator allows you to insult me.
Oh and the moderator do the same from time to time so why should not you too?
I was once a moderator on this site and would BAN the author of my post
but the conventional wisdom appears to be that unless documented
evidence of war crimes or kitten burning is sourced we will continue to
tolerate your imbecile contributions to the music we profess to love.
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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: July 12 2014 at 06:10
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: July 12 2014 at 06:29
^ your thoughts exactly
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Posted By: rdtprog
Date Posted: July 12 2014 at 06:41
ExittheLemming wrote:
rdtprog wrote:
ExittheLemming wrote:
Jean Paul Sartre once coined the infamous epithet Hell is other People. He was of course long dead by the time Mr & Mrs Svetonio decided to bequeath their connubial fruit to an unsuspecting world. JPS was wrong. Hell is a nightclub where Svetonio is the resident DJ on the video jukebox. Said technology is wireless and oxygen powered so cannot be disabled. The establishment has no doors, they don't even have a liquor license and the chicks all look like the results of a miscegnation between Michael Myers and a hamster.
JPS was not wrong, because your comments prove that you can imagine anything you want by "other People", everything that is out of our own control. Mine would be "Hell is radio, secondary smoke, publicity, dust and maybe serial killers..." By the way, "Svetonio" is our own lad on Prog Archives?
BTW many generals are deservedly murdered by their own troops.What's the view like from inside your own backside?
"Other people" can be my best friend. There's many types of killers that can start from war to build their violence against "society" : the mass murder, the serial killer and the passionate killer. War is the perfect school to start to become non emotional about killing someone including your own family.
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: July 12 2014 at 06:46
^ you've made 1526 prior contibutions to this site. Are any of them even slightly less mental than this one?
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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: July 12 2014 at 08:34
Mike Oldfield's "Tubullar Bells".
Posted By: JD
Date Posted: July 12 2014 at 08:42
How about Edgar Winter "Frankenstein" (1972)
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Posted By: rdtprog
Date Posted: July 12 2014 at 09:48
ExittheLemming wrote:
^ you've made 1526 prior contibutions to this site. Are any of them even slightly less mental than this one?
Never said that i was approving this non sense.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 12 2014 at 10:25
Manuel wrote:
Mike Oldfield's "Tubullar Bells".
I know - here's an idea - let's ignore the OP's request for albums that "have synthesizers that to me sound a bit ahead of their time" entirely and just list every 1970s album we can think of that has synths ... and of course all those that don't.
Tubular Bells....
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: July 12 2014 at 10:36
Is it my hallucinations or has the thread title been changed from "advanced sounding synths" to "advanced sounding keyboards"?
I guess that most albums using advanced synths for their time sounded like having advanced-sounding synths.
At any rate I think that although not used by many Prog artists, the Yamaha GX-1 represented really a different sound, most evident in the change of sound ELP did with Works I.
Posted By: JD
Date Posted: July 12 2014 at 11:04
Gerinski wrote:
At any rate I think that although not used by many Prog artists, the Yamaha GX-1 represented really a different sound, most evident in the change of sound ELP did with Works I.
Different yes. Advanced, no. Well maybe that's not fair. It was advanced in so much as it was a bit ahead of curve in providing the horrible 80's sounding snyths many of us have come to despise. The thin and souless sound of the GX-1 hasn't "stood the test of time" so much as it's come to "represent a time" like the Prophet or Roland Jupiter. ELP were not a better sounding band with the GX-1 no matter how well it suited Pirates.
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Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: July 12 2014 at 13:10
zravkapt wrote:
Everything listed so far is fairly typical analogue stuff from the '70s. Autobahn features the same synth that was used on Abbey Road. It's not until about 1977/78 that you start hearing 'futuristic' synths, because those same synths were still being used in the '80s.
I don't know if I agree about the Abbey road comment but I do agree that in the late seventies a lot of cool synths were coming out. I feel it's a shame that prog was swept under the carpet around then(commercially speaking anyway)because the sounds were getting more interesting and high tech. All you have to do is listen to a lot of the new wave stuff coming around at that time to know what I'm talking about. Gary Numan's "cars" is a good example but there are others. It's almost as though the new wave bands(and later new age)had to pick up the keyboard slack left behind from the absent prog bands(due to no fault of the prog bands who were flushed down the toilet although that's another story).
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: July 12 2014 at 22:43
JD wrote:
Gerinski wrote:
At any rate I think that although not used by many Prog artists, the Yamaha GX-1 represented really a different sound, most evident in the change of sound ELP did with Works I.
Different yes. Advanced, no. Well maybe that's not fair. It was advanced in so much as it was a bit ahead of curve in providing the horrible 80's sounding snyths many of us have come to despise. The thin and souless sound of the GX-1 hasn't "stood the test of time" so much as it's come to "represent a time" like the Prophet or Roland Jupiter. ELP were not a better sounding band with the GX-1 no matter how well it suited Pirates.
I liked the sounds that Emerson coaxed from the GX1. It transformed the live Tiger in a Spotlight and almost salvages the rather hokey Memoirs of an Officer and Gentleman on the otherwise wretched Love Beeatch. Get hold of their Live from Nassau Coliseum from 1978 to hear how brilliantly it get's assimilated into the classic (and perhaps rather tired) Tarkus. For me it gave ELP a shot in the arm sonically and I can't imagine their brilliant version of Fanfare for the Common Man being possible without it.
Rick Van Der Linden (Ekseption/Trace) recorded a solo album entirely on the GXI in 1978 imaginatively titled GX1 which I would normally heartily recommend but for the fact it's completely sh*te
BTW didn't Stevie Wonder own a GX1? (what albums did he use it on?)
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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: July 12 2014 at 23:54
Gerinski wrote:
Is it my hallucinations or has the thread title been changed from "advanced sounding synths" to "advanced sounding keyboards"?
I guess that most albums using advanced synths for their time sounded like having advanced-sounding synths.
At any rate I think that although not used by many Prog artists, the Yamaha GX-1 represented really a different sound, most evident in the change of sound ELP did with Works I.
Led Zeppelin's songs where John Paul Jones was used Yamaha GX1.
Regarding Lep Zeppelin, l really loved how it sounds only in I'm Gonna Crawl .
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: July 13 2014 at 00:07
^ Interesting. I didn't know John Paul Jones had one or used it on a Zep album.
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Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: July 13 2014 at 00:08
Another one I forgot to mention is ELP's "trilogy." It's mind boggling to me that it was recorded before the end of 1971. Of course since ELP is poo pooed around here and apparently not very well liked or respected no one else will probably agree with me let alone make a comment.
King Crimson's "islands" also has very advanced sounding keyboards for the time. Then again the VCS3 was very advanced for it's time period.
Edit: Ok, Wikipedia lists "trilogy" as having been recorded in Jan. of 72 but I could have sworn I saw it listed somewhere as Dec. of 71. Oh well.
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: July 13 2014 at 00:25
I've never worked out why ELP cop so much flak here (do ABBA get dissed on Pop sites? do Sabbath attract scorn on metal sites? do the Eagles get sl*g.ed off on Country Rock sites?)
Trilogy was recorded in 1972 and that weird wailing thing that sounds during the intro to the Endless Enigma is Keith blowing lustily into a North African reed instrument he bought on holiday. For years I thought it was one of his synths coaxed against it's better judgement into an imitation of a psychotic snake charmer. But yes, the eerie other-worldly atmosphere the Synths conjure up on the intro is spine tinglingly good.
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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: July 13 2014 at 00:30
ExittheLemming wrote:
^ Interesting. I didn't know John Paul Jones had one or used it on a Zep album.
Yes, I saw him played Yamaha GX1 at the Knebworth Festival 1979.
It was one and only British festival I attempted in my whole life and sadly that was only and one time that I saw Led Zeppellin live in concert. Though, I recall that Led Zeppelin the Knebworth concert was nothing special. Maybe they weren't in mood and Yamaha GX1 didn't help at all (off the topic: Uriah Heep two years earlier at Belgrade concert were miles above better and more exciting as a great live act as well).
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 13 2014 at 02:28
Svetonio wrote:
richardh wrote:
The Who - Who's Next had remnants of Pete Townsend's Lighthouse Project that was very advanced for its time (about 1971)
Probably not the best album cover to 'blow up'
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 13 2014 at 02:31
This is great if you like your Yamaha GX1
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: July 13 2014 at 05:04
^ ah that one. I knew Stevie Wonder owned a GX1 but didn't know on what album(s) he used it. Thanks
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: July 13 2014 at 05:19
That's my fave Stevie album!
It holds, among many great things, a tune called 'Visions' where a seemingly blind man talks about colours and how they fade with the autumnal season. Now however bizarre and futile that may sound to you, it is still something I personally find to be heartbreakingly beatiful.
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: July 13 2014 at 05:39
^ I can see the fluttering moths wearing shades as I open my tartan wallet right now....
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: July 13 2014 at 05:45
The long haired bald man to the rescue. Pay him in magic beans and canned dark matter.
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Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: July 13 2014 at 06:25
richardh wrote:
This is great if you like your Yamaha GX1
That album came out in 1973...the GX1 wasn't on the market yet. That features the famous T.O.N.T.O. synthesizer set-up which included models from Moog, ARP and EMS hooked up together. Stevie was one of the first people to ever use a GX1 on the album Songs In The Key Of Life.
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: July 13 2014 at 06:30
^ right kudos matey for the update. Lucky I didn't buy the wrong one then...
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: July 13 2014 at 06:38
The wrong one is often the way to go. Read my sig.
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Posted By: brainstormer
Date Posted: July 13 2014 at 10:09
Check out Raymond Scott's work, but it is from an earlier decade. Tomita, Synergy, and Vangelis I think are still ahead of their times, because they show a high level of talent that is unsurpassed. Also, the first two Jean Michael Jarre albums. Peter Baumann's Romance 1976 was a great album. As a synthesist myself (since 1975), I look at Tangerine Dream's Stratosfear as probably their most technically advanced, because the title tune is so focused on the progression of a melody and not more atmospheric. . You can hear Baumann's contribution on that track. If you listen to Tangerine Dream - Monolight - Encore (1977) at around the 4 minute mark, you hear the same melodic style of TD, which I think they have never surpased. Very rare and innovative melodic synth music. I think Synergy's first two albums are on a similar peak.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 13 2014 at 10:38
Prog_Traveller wrote:
There's a few albums from the seventies that have synthesizers that to me sound a bit ahead of their time. A few examples include:
ELP-Brain salad surgery Kraftwerk-Autobahn YES-Relayer Pink Floyd-Wish you were here.
These are just a few off the top of my head. What else?
Patrick Moraz with Refugee
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 13 2014 at 10:42
ExittheLemming wrote:
Jean Paul Sartre once coined the infamous epithet Hell is other People. He was of course long dead by the time Mr & Mrs Svetonio decided to bequeath their connubial fruit to an unsuspecting world. JPS was wrong. Hell is a nightclub where Svetonio is the resident DJ on the video jukebox. Said technology is wireless and oxygen powered so cannot be disabled. The establishment has no doors, they don't even have a liquor license and the chicks all look like the results of a miscegnation between Michael Myers and a hamster.
Oh my gawd ... No Exit?
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 13 2014 at 10:46
Dean wrote:
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I know - here's an idea - let's ignore the OP's request for albums that "have synthesizers that to me sound a bit ahead of their time" entirely and just list every 1970s album we can think of that has synths ... and of course all those that don't.
Todd Rundgrenn - A Wizard side of the album. Keyboards by Jean Yves Labat, I think though. And his solo album (MFrog) is a funny, weird same thing where you can hear Todd scream all the swear words you would want to hear with the music!
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: July 13 2014 at 11:16
brainstormer wrote:
As a synthesist myself (since 1975), I look at Tangerine Dream's Stratosfear as probably their most technically advanced, because the title tune is so focused on the progression of a melody and not more atmospheric. . You can hear Baumann's contribution on that track. If you listen to Tangerine Dream - Monolight - Encore (1977) at around the 4 minute mark, you hear the same melodic style of TD, which I think they have never surpased. Very rare and innovative melodic synth music.
IMO, TD peaked in both the fields of composition and synthesizer sounds when they had Johannes Schmoelling in the band from 1980-1985. Tangram, Exit and White Eagle are particularly enthralling. They no longer had to depend on the Mellotron so heavily for atmospheric leverage and the technological constraints of the '70s instruments were behind them.
brainstormer wrote:
I think Synergy's first two albums are on a similar peak.
I agree, but for me the 4th Synergy album is probably Larry's best, along with ERfRO.
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: July 13 2014 at 13:07
I saw Yes perform "Relayer" on 16 November, 1974 at Illinois State University, Normal Illinois. At that time, I was only moderately familiar with the LP.
When I saw the concert, I heard blazing leads and was surprised to see Steve Howe simply playing rhythm guitar. I realized that it was Moraz who was blazing away on his Mini-Moog!!
In an interview in Keyboard Player magazine shortly afterwards, Moraz said that he "played his (Moog's) oscillators more expressively than other keyboardists did."
He certainly did!! Wakeman tends to just set his patches on his synths & treats them almost like they were mini-organs, without a lot of noodling on them. Moraz was grabbing knobs for oscillators, filters, waveform generators etc. and going nuts on the thing!!
Moraz also did some very fine synth work on "The Story of i," which doesn't seem to get the love on PA that it deserves.
Posted By: Kentucky_Hawkwindage
Date Posted: July 13 2014 at 13:36
Arthur Brown's Kingdom Come-The Journey LP has some great keyboard work I.M.H.O.,though i'm not an expert on keys nor claim to be,just like what i hear on there.
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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: July 13 2014 at 14:00
cstack3 wrote:
Moraz also did some very fine synth work on "The Story of i," which doesn't seem to get the love on PA that it deserves.
The Story of i is an excellent album. I bought it back in the day and have enjoyed it for almost 4 decades now. It stands the test of time.
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Posted By: Sheavy
Date Posted: July 13 2014 at 14:48
Zorch - Ouroboros (1975)
Thanks to Dean for introducing me to this british group.
Their sole album sounds to me rather advanced.
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Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: July 13 2014 at 17:08
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 14 2014 at 00:33
zravkapt wrote:
richardh wrote:
This is great if you like your Yamaha GX1
That album came out in 1973...the GX1 wasn't on the market yet. That features the famous T.O.N.T.O. synthesizer set-up which included models from Moog, ARP and EMS hooked up together. Stevie was one of the first people to ever use a GX1 on the album Songs In The Key Of Life.
Destroyed a long held assumption of mine. The sounds are just so like the Yamaha GX1 to me and I knew Stevie had used it.
Still its a great album that probably belongs on this thread judging by the information in your post.
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: July 14 2014 at 03:07
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: July 14 2014 at 03:25
Beaver & Krause, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1is9w7iXctw%5b" rel="nofollow - In A Wild Sanctuary 1970
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: July 14 2014 at 03:54
A couple years ago I played Tangerine Dream's Phaedra for a flatmate and he had no idea it was as old as 1974.
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: July 14 2014 at 04:09
^ I had a similar kinda 'double take' experience when I heard Franco Battiato's Sulle Cord di Aries from 1973 which I just casually and unquestioningly assumed was a contemporary IDM album. Very prescient and in places at least 20 odd years ahead of it's time.
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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: July 14 2014 at 05:08
Toaster Mantis wrote:
A couple years ago I played Tangerine Dream's Phaedra for a flatmate and he had no idea it was as old as 1974.
Nothing shocking for me - every great album which passed that time test sounds not dated, especially today when almost all of the 70s styles are already recycled and exist in parallel.
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 15 2014 at 00:48
Early TD sounds very dated to me. I mean Phaedra was only 2 years before the amazing Oxygene.
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 15 2014 at 12:05
Ever the clueless onslaught continues unabated.
1973 Tangerine Dream sound like 1973 Tangerine Dream. It is neither timeless nor is it dated, it sounds like Tangerine Dream of 1973.
However most of the albums listed in this thread are not advanced or sounding a head of their time, they all sound "of their time" - they just happen to have a synthesiser on them (except Tubular Bells, which of course, does not), and just having a synthesiser does not magically imbue very damn album with the gift of advance ahead of their timeness, that would be a bloody stupid idea.
Seriously, if all albums with synth were ahead of their time then that becomes the sodding norm, they are all the "of their time" - just like Tangerine Dream, just like (laughs) JM Jarre.... Even the weird and wacky ones like T.O.N.T.O and Synergy weren't exactly pushing the envelope when it came to composition, tone or timbre - they actually sounded fairly conventional back in 197whenever-it-was.
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Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: July 15 2014 at 12:29
I guess I should mention that I've met a lot of fans of electronic music who don't like Tangerine Dream as they find the band's music too technologically primitve, not to mention too closely rooted in psychedelic rock and classical to be "real electronic music".
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 15 2014 at 12:35
... By "fans of electronic music" are we to deduce you mean "fans of electronic dance music"?
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Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: July 15 2014 at 12:39
As in stuff from Kraftwerk and onwards in general.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 15 2014 at 12:43
Close enough.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 15 2014 at 15:16
Yep I love this
now where's my handbag
Posted By: CosmicVibration
Date Posted: July 15 2014 at 15:25
Dean wrote:
Ever the clueless onslaught continues unabated.
1973 Tangerine Dream sound like 1973 Tangerine Dream. It is neither timeless nor is it dated, it sounds like Tangerine Dream of 1973.
However most of the albums listed in this thread are not advanced or sounding a head of their time, they all sound "of their time" - they just happen to have a synthesiser on them (except Tubular Bells, which of course, does not), and just having a synthesiser does not magically imbue very damn album with the gift of advance ahead of their timeness, that would be a bloody stupid idea.
Seriously, if all albums with synth were ahead of their time then that becomes the sodding norm, they are all the "of their time" - just like Tangerine Dream, just like (laughs) JM Jarre.... Even the weird and wacky ones like T.O.N.T.O and Synergy weren't exactly pushing the envelope when it came to composition, tone or timbre - they actually sounded fairly conventional back in 197whenever-it-was.
Tonto’s Expanding Head Band?I’ve listened to their first album decades ago but it just didn’t do
anything for me.
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: July 15 2014 at 15:43
Toaster Mantis wrote:
I guess I should mention that I've met a lot of fans of electronic music who don't like Tangerine Dream as they find the band's music too technologically primitve, not to mention too closely rooted in psychedelic rock and classical to be "real electronic music".
I believe the reason for this is that TD's earlier ('70s) works are touted more vocally than the '80s period, particularly 1980-1985 when Johannes Schmoelling was in the band. If they heard the brilliance of Tangram, Exit, Poland: The Warsaw Concert and Le Parc, and their music for the films Thief, Wavelength, Firestarter and even Heartbreakers, they'd hear music that is anything but "primitive."
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: July 15 2014 at 16:43
Tony Banks did some great stuff with the new Polymoog synth on 1978's "And Then There Were Three." Check out his polyphonic portamento strings at 1:14:
Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: July 15 2014 at 16:59
Sorry, I have a tough time listening to that song in the middle of summer.
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: July 15 2014 at 17:18
cstack3 wrote:
Tony Banks did some great stuff with the new Polymoog synth on 1978's "And Then There Were Three." Check out his polyphonic portamento strings at 1:14:
^Good call, Chuck, love this!
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: July 15 2014 at 23:14
No one better than Banks---these top acts had the best keyboard nerds around and keyboard companies giving them the newest innovations----they used to get advertising deals from some of these companies.
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: July 16 2014 at 03:35
verslibre wrote:
Toaster Mantis wrote:
I guess I should mention that I've met a lot of fans of electronic music who don't like Tangerine Dream as they find the band's music too technologically primitve, not to mention too closely rooted in psychedelic rock and classical to be "real electronic music".
I believe the reason for this is that TD's earlier ('70s) works are touted more vocally than the '80s period, particularly 1980-1985 when Johannes Schmoelling was in the band. If they heard the brilliance of Tangram, Exit, Poland: The Warsaw Concert and Le Parc, and their music for the films Thief, Wavelength, Firestarter and even Heartbreakers, they'd hear music that is anything but "primitive."
Huh. I thought TD were these days more well known for their film soundtracks than for their regular studio albums. There's definitely a generation gap that pre-Kraftwerk electronic music in general is on the wrong side of regarding younger listeners, though.
Not to mention even on their 1980s albums TD still use guitars and other traditional instruments, despite having switched to digitals synths.
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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: July 16 2014 at 04:51
I know that many people don't like this song but the song contains great Banks' synth solos - very advanced sounding synths back then in 1973.
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 17 2014 at 01:29
verslibre wrote:
richardh wrote:
Yep I love this
Familiar with this album?
Nope I've only just got that album by Space. My interest in synth music doesn't stretch much beyond TD, Vangelis, Neuronium and JM Jarre. I am admittedly a novice at this genre as Dean so tactfully intimated
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: July 17 2014 at 01:40
I'd like to recommend CLUSTER's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwhnOF-k-cQ" rel="nofollow - 71 the album from 1971. The album sounds not dated after 43 years.
This is a great review:
The first album from the newly abbreviated Cluster (after parting ways with Conrad Schnitzler) probably disturbed a lot of sensitive minds at the dawn of the 1970s, and it can still threaten your sanity when heard today. Softening their name from the more Teutonic KLUSTER didn't immediately change the music, if in fact this dystopian noise can even be classified as music, a debatable point even now.
The remaining duo of Dieter Moebius and Hans-Joachim Roedelius were known at the time for generating sounds instead of playing music, but what a sound it was. Harsh, atonal, abstract, mechanical, and more than a little scary: like the better German bands of that era providing the perfect sonic escape hatch from an unsavory national past. But the results were far removed from the interstellar meditations of other Krautrockers, even kindred cybernetic rebels like the embryonic TANGERINE DREAM, fellow travelers at the Zodiak Free Arts Lab in Berlin and related to Cluster through the common denominator of Conny Schnitzler.
Moebius and Roedelius weren't interested in exploring the cosmos; they were too busy dissecting their brave new electronic world from inside the machine, looking out. Even within the freewheeling musical landscape of the German counterculture this was pretty extreme stuff, shattering every convention of melody and rhythm, and daring the listener to pick up the pieces. Just when you imagine there might be a hint of some harmonic stability to grab hold of, the floor shifts again and that illusory safety net is pulled away, leaving you in exhilarating freefall once again.
My advice is to forget about the soft landing and simply go with the flow. It's not as if you have much of a choice: you won't even find a convenient parachute in the album name or track titles, which merely catalogue when it was recorded and the length of each segment.
One silver lining is that the album still sounds remarkably contemporary. Unlike other early experiments in electronic music this one hasn't aged a day in over forty years, partly because it avoids the easy clichés of the time: endless sequencer arpeggios and so forth. Later Cluster albums would follow a more user-friendly approach, but in 1971 their avant- garde edge was sharp enough to draw blood.
Posted By: brainstormer
Date Posted: July 17 2014 at 11:23
Cluster's "Hollywood" track is a must hear. One of the most
advanced uses of synths and electronic percussion in the 70s.
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: July 20 2014 at 05:57
Yes Tormato brought a significant change in Wakeman's keys sounds (which most people didn't approve).
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: July 20 2014 at 07:51
Gerinski wrote:
Yes Tormato brought a significant change in Wakeman's keys sounds (which most people didn't approve).
I Tormato''s synthesizersworkasitcreated by Mr Wakeman.
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: July 20 2014 at 08:52
Gerinski wrote:
Yes Tormato brought a significant change in Wakeman's keys sounds (which most people didn't approve).
Some of those keyboards were the latest technology that didn't have a enduring shelf
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: July 20 2014 at 15:01
Cluster's '71 is indeed some righteous stuff, every bit as disturbing as what original-generation industrial noiseniks like NON and Throbbing Gristle would be laying down a good handful of years later. Which I'd have no idea about from the bright and colourful cover art.
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Posted By: Drumstruck
Date Posted: July 21 2014 at 00:11
How about this one - jump to 15:20 for the best song on the album: