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Topic: Tony Banks - Duke
Posted By: fudgenuts64
Subject: Tony Banks - Duke
Date Posted: July 18 2014 at 03:25
Which one of these tracks penned by Tony Banks is your favorite?

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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: July 18 2014 at 03:58
Heathaze for sure!

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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: July 18 2014 at 04:08
Indeed, Heathaze for sure. Duke is a very special album in my world......
Evidence Of Autumn appeared on the 'Three Sides Live' dbl LP, but not as strong as Heathaze.


Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: July 18 2014 at 04:14
1. Cul-de-Sac
2. Heathaze
3. Guide Vocal
4. Evidence of Autumn


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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: July 18 2014 at 08:11
Cul-de-sac. One of the best songs on Duke.

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Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: July 18 2014 at 09:38
Heathaze but love Guide Vocal---but the longer song gets my vote this timeSmile


Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: July 18 2014 at 09:53
Not crazy about Heathaze, and don't really like Cul de Sac. Evidence of Autumn is pretty good.  Guide Vocal gets my vote.

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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: July 18 2014 at 10:30
Heathaze, though the music on Guide Vocal and Evidence Of Autumn is also sublime.
I never was a big fan of Cul-De-Sac.


Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: July 18 2014 at 10:40
Heathaze...not only my favorite Banks' song on the album, but my favorite song on the album, period, with Duke's Travels and Duchess not too far behind.

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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: July 18 2014 at 11:01
Cul-De-Sac.

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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: July 18 2014 at 11:45
Heathaze

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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: July 18 2014 at 11:51
Duke's Travels is the only one that does it for me, I'm afraid.


Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: July 18 2014 at 15:22
Heathaze

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Posted By: Guillermo
Date Posted: July 18 2014 at 19:00
Evidence of Autumn.

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Posted By: tdfloyd
Date Posted: July 18 2014 at 19:27
Surprised at all the love for Heathaze.  It's my fav here, but I would have thought CDS would have been the peoples choice.

1- Heathaze
2-Evidence of Autumn
3-Guild Vocal
4-Cul-de-Sac


Posted By: genbanks
Date Posted: July 18 2014 at 20:00
Originally posted by tdfloyd tdfloyd wrote:

1- Heathaze
2-Evidence of Autumn
3-Guild Vocal
4-Cul-de-Sac


Exactly this


Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: July 18 2014 at 20:22
Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

1. Cul-de-Sac
2. Heathaze
3. Guide Vocal
4. Evidence of Autumn


+1

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Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: July 18 2014 at 21:31
Heathaze, but I like them all.

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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: July 19 2014 at 00:12
Like them all but voted for Guide Vocal, it's just an interlude but it fits so well after Duchess, one of those songs which with little accomplish a lot, and its short reprise in Duke's Travels makes it a defining tune of the album.


Posted By: Kirillov
Date Posted: July 19 2014 at 03:35
Guide Vocal


Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: July 19 2014 at 08:47
Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Like them all but voted for Guide Vocal, it's just an interlude but it fits so well after Duchess, one of those songs which with little accomplish a lot, and its short reprise in Duke's Travels makes it a defining tune of the album.

Well said--want to change my vote.Big smile


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 20 2014 at 02:48
Guide Vocal , short but memorable. I always used to skip the other tracks (+ Please Don't Ask) when I listened to Duke as you still have a healthy 37 minutes of great music without them. They for me represented the imminent decline of Genesis into mediocrity. Didn't realise they were all penned by Banks and probably assumed that Collins must have written one of them.Wink

erm is there a track called Evidence Of Autumn on the album?!





Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 20 2014 at 02:54
Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Indeed, Heathaze for sure. Duke is a very special album in my world......
Evidence Of Autumn appeared on the 'Three Sides Live' dbl LP, but not as strong as Heathaze.

Doesn't appear on my version. Was there a bonus edition?


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 20 2014 at 02:56
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Indeed, Heathaze for sure. Duke is a very special album in my world......
Evidence Of Autumn appeared on the 'Three Sides Live' dbl LP, but not as strong as Heathaze.

Doesn't appear on my version. Was there a bonus edition?

ah found it , its on the second archive set. Listening now.


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 20 2014 at 02:59
More easy listening, not unpleasant admittedly.


Posted By: Snowbound1997
Date Posted: July 20 2014 at 18:37
Cul-De-Sac definitely


Posted By: giselle
Date Posted: July 21 2014 at 03:08
Healthaze


Posted By: giselle
Date Posted: July 21 2014 at 03:10
Sorry about the typo!


Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: July 21 2014 at 04:00
Any fans of Mike R's ripping fretless bass lines of Heathaze ?? The song is superb without question.
Also, venturing off-topic here, but Keep It Dark is an equivalent track from the Abacab album.


Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: July 21 2014 at 04:12
Cul-de-sac for me.

Duke is a strange and prophetic album. Prophetic in the sense that you could see quite clearly the direction Genesis were preparing to take. It's stil very good overall though imo.

There are some tracks which are extremely weak and should have been left off the album: Please Don't Ask and Misunderstanding, and to a leser extent the rather insipid and formulaic Alone Tonight. The band were making the transition to middle of the road pop and had to throw these turds into the rose water pool to reinforce their mainstream position.

However..
Behind the Lines
Duchess
Guide vocal
Man of our times
Heathaze
Turn it on again
Cul-de-sac
Dukes Travels
Dukes End

All excellent tracks. 4.5 star album.

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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: July 21 2014 at 04:14
Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Any fans of Mike R's ripping fretless bass lines of Heathaze ?? The song is superb without question.
Also, venturing off-topic here, but Keep It Dark is an equivalent track from the Abacab album.


Indeed, his fretless work is good on Heathaze. The song has a lovey feel and musically a very powerful chorus too. Some of the lyrics I find a bit toe curling to be honest, but I never felt Genesis were great at writing lyrics after PG left.

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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: July 21 2014 at 05:19
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Any fans of Mike R's ripping fretless bass lines of Heathaze ?? The song is superb without question.
Also, venturing off-topic here, but Keep It Dark is an equivalent track from the Abacab album.


Indeed, his fretless work is good on Heathaze. The song has a lovey feel and musically a very powerful chorus too. Some of the lyrics I find a bit toe curling to be honest, but I never felt Genesis were great at writing lyrics after PG left.
Yes, yes - very powerful chorus. Deep and emotional.
And, referencing the statement a few posts above, 'Please Don't Ask' is beautiful, even if a bit 'outside' of the album's main ideals, 'Misunderstanding' could've been on Phil's solo debut, and Cul-de-Sac doesn't do much for me either.....
Oh, Alone Tonight is rather forgettable as well. Apart from that, a grand album for 1980.


Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: July 21 2014 at 06:47
Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Any fans of Mike R's ripping fretless bass lines of Heathaze ?? The song is superb without question.
Also, venturing off-topic here, but Keep It Dark is an equivalent track from the Abacab album.


Indeed, his fretless work is good on Heathaze. The song has a lovey feel and musically a very powerful chorus too. Some of the lyrics I find a bit toe curling to be honest, but I never felt Genesis were great at writing lyrics after PG left.
Yes, yes - very powerful chorus. Deep and emotional.
And, referencing the statement a few posts above, 'Please Don't Ask' is beautiful, even if a bit 'outside' of the album's main ideals, 'Misunderstanding' could've been on Phil's solo debut, and Cul-de-Sac doesn't do much for me either.....
Oh, Alone Tonight is rather forgettable as well. Apart from that, a grand album for 1980.


I think Please don't ask should have been on a Collins solo album too. It kind of fits in with the Duke concept, but is so in tune with the sort of stuff PC was doing as a solo artist it almost didn't 'need' to be on a Genesis album.

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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: July 21 2014 at 10:02
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Indeed, Heathaze for sure. Duke is a very special album in my world......
Evidence Of Autumn appeared on the 'Three Sides Live' dbl LP, but not as strong as Heathaze.

Doesn't appear on my version. Was there a bonus edition?

There are two versions of Three Sides Live.
A UK version, where the 4th side also has live tracks.
I grew up with the non-UK version, with 5 studio tracks (The Paperlate EP  - Paperlate, You Might Recall, Me And Virgil - and Evidence Of Autumn and Open Door)


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 22 2014 at 01:25
Originally posted by Moogtron III Moogtron III wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Indeed, Heathaze for sure. Duke is a very special album in my world......
Evidence Of Autumn appeared on the 'Three Sides Live' dbl LP, but not as strong as Heathaze.

Doesn't appear on my version. Was there a bonus edition?

There are two versions of Three Sides Live.
A UK version, where the 4th side also has live tracks.
I grew up with the non-UK version, with 5 studio tracks (The Paperlate EP  - Paperlate, You Might Recall, Me And Virgil - and Evidence Of Autumn and Open Door)

That explains the odd titleSmile


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 22 2014 at 01:30
Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Any fans of Mike R's ripping fretless bass lines of Heathaze ?? The song is superb without question.
Also, venturing off-topic here, but Keep It Dark is an equivalent track from the Abacab album.

Keep It Dark is a great track

not sure about Heathaze to be honest , never really grabbed me


Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: July 22 2014 at 02:48
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:


Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Any fans of Mike R's ripping fretless bass lines of Heathaze ?? The song is superb without question.
Also, venturing off-topic here, but Keep It Dark is an equivalent track from the Abacab album.

Keep It Dark is a great track
not sure about Heathaze to be honest , never really grabbed me


Yeah, love Keep it Dark. One of only four tunes I like on Abacab.

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Posted By: genbanks
Date Posted: July 22 2014 at 17:17
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:


Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Any fans of Mike R's ripping fretless bass lines of Heathaze ?? The song is superb without question.
Also, venturing off-topic here, but Keep It Dark is an equivalent track from the Abacab album.

Keep It Dark is a great track
not sure about Heathaze to be honest , never really grabbed me


Yeah, love Keep it Dark. One of only four tunes I like on Abacab.

And Keep it dark seems to becomes from a Banks concept, he wrote the lyrics and I remember some interview in which he talks about how he "teachs" the melody line to Collins, or something like this.


Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: July 23 2014 at 00:50
Originally posted by genbanks genbanks wrote:


Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:


Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Any fans of Mike R's ripping fretless bass lines of Heathaze ?? The song is superb without question.
Also, venturing off-topic here, but Keep It Dark is an equivalent track from the Abacab album.

Keep It Dark is a great track
not sure about Heathaze to be honest , never really grabbed me


Yeah, love Keep it Dark. One of only four tunes I like on Abacab.

And Keep it dark seems to becomes from a Banks concept, he wrote the lyrics and I remember some interview in which he talks about how he "teachs" the melody line to Collins, or something like this.
It does suffer from the usual 80's qualities sound-wise, but it really is an excellent song that's truly 'Banksian' through and through. Collins stretches his voice on the superb chorus.
Actually, thinking about it now, we should do an Abacab thread (or resurrect an existing one...) - so much discussion and opinions can work for this controversial album......


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 23 2014 at 01:22
I've just ordered Abacab ( you can get it very cheap!) so as just to get Keep It Dark (already have Dodo/Lurker and the title track as downloads)

Andy , what is the fourth track you like on Abacab?


Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: July 23 2014 at 01:27
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I've just ordered Abacab ( you can get it very cheap!) so as just to get Keep It Dark (already have Dodo/Lurker and the title track as downloads)
Andy , what is the fourth track you like on Abacab?


Abacab
Me & Sarah Jane
Keep it Dark
Dodo/Lurker ( I count this as one track - rightly or wrongly)

I can tolerate Man on the Corner too, but No Reply, Another Record, Whodunnit.

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Posted By: Raccoon
Date Posted: July 23 2014 at 01:35
Originally posted by genbanks genbanks wrote:

Originally posted by tdfloyd tdfloyd wrote:

1- Heathaze
2-Evidence of Autumn
3-Guild Vocal
4-Cul-de-Sac


Exactly this
I'll 3rd that. Glad Evidence of Autumn's getting some love.


Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: July 23 2014 at 01:54
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I've just ordered Abacab ( you can get it very cheap!) so as just to get Keep It Dark (already have Dodo/Lurker and the title track as downloads)
Andy , what is the fourth track you like on Abacab?


Abacab
Me & Sarah Jane
Keep it Dark
Dodo/Lurker ( I count this as one track - rightly or wrongly)

I can tolerate Man on the Corner too, but No Reply, Another Record, Whodunnit.
That's seems to be about right.
No Reply.... does again have some cool bass from Mike, but not the best track from them.


Posted By: fudgenuts64
Date Posted: July 23 2014 at 02:04
Abacab is quite good for the most part for me, everything up until Dodo/Lurker. The rest I can take or leave.

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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: July 23 2014 at 02:42
Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I've just ordered Abacab ( you can get it very cheap!) so as just to get Keep It Dark (already have Dodo/Lurker and the title track as downloads)
Andy , what is the fourth track you like on Abacab?


Abacab
Me & Sarah Jane
Keep it Dark
Dodo/Lurker ( I count this as one track - rightly or wrongly)

I can tolerate Man on the Corner too, but No Reply, Another Record, Whodunnit.
That's seems to be about right.
No Reply.... does again have some cool bass from Mike, but not the best track from them.


It's quite a 'neat' funky tune, I guess but if I want funk I'd probably go to a funk band. It's not really what you by an album by a prog rock band for. Imo..

Banks compared his keyboard work on that song to the piano on The Lamb Lieds Down on Broadway. If you listen carefully there is something in that.

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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: July 23 2014 at 03:40
^ Thanks, now I have to compare & contrast.......(........but I love doing this.....)


Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: July 23 2014 at 09:26
I like all of the songs on Abacab Cool


Posted By: proggman
Date Posted: July 23 2014 at 22:53
Heathaze.

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