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Topic: Tony Banks - ...And Then There Were Three...
Posted By: fudgenuts64
Subject: Tony Banks - ...And Then There Were Three...
Date Posted: July 22 2014 at 21:50
Which one of these tracks penned by Tony Banks is your favorite? Burning Rope's meaning still eludes me to this day, but a good song nonetheless. I gotta go with The Lady Lies, fantastic song live.

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Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: July 22 2014 at 21:54
Undertow, for me, is one of the best songs Banks ever wrote.

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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: July 22 2014 at 23:34
Undertow for me too. Burning Rope a close 2nd.

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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: July 22 2014 at 23:54
I picked "Undertow," a fine song!! 

Banks did fantastic stuff throughout this LP, one of my favorites of that year.


Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: July 23 2014 at 00:33
Originally posted by HolyMoly HolyMoly wrote:

Undertow for me too. Burning Rope a close 2nd.


Exactly my choice too

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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: July 23 2014 at 00:46
Wow !!
Five excellent tracks.
I'd have to go for 'The Lady Lies'.   
ATTWT is such an under appreciated album. Banks has been a virtuoso for years by this time, and he's really on fire throughout this period.


Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: July 23 2014 at 00:54
Burning Rope!!

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Posted By: Raccoon
Date Posted: July 23 2014 at 01:02
I've never heard the B-side to Many Too Many (The Day The Light Went Out), but from first listen, it's not big on my list. 

I'm actually surprised at the results!! Usually the song longest in length wins polls. So far, Undertow's winning. And I'll put my vote into that pool. Strong emotion, that one. Everything's in its right place. Drums are tight, Phil's voice is soaring, and Banks' keyboards set the whole atmosphere. 


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 23 2014 at 01:17
The Day The Light Went Out

Didn't make the album as it was deemed to be too much like early Genesis apparently. Its a killer track much better than most of the album imho ( I would only put Deep In The Motherlode above it) and I really like the album as it is.


Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: July 23 2014 at 01:20
Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Wow !!
Five excellent tracks.
I'd have to go for 'The Lady Lies'.   
ATTWT is such an under appreciated album. Banks has been a virtuoso for years by this time, and he's really on fire throughout this period.

Good one there Thumbs Up


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Freedom is slavery.

Ignorance is strength.”

― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four



"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart





Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: July 23 2014 at 02:06
Originally posted by Raccoon Raccoon wrote:

I've never heard the B-side to Many Too Many (The Day The Light Went Out), but from first listen, it's not big on my list. 
I'm actually surprised at the results!! Usually the song longest in length wins polls. So far, Undertow's winning. And I'll put my vote into that pool. Strong emotion, that one. Everything's in its right place. Drums are tight, Phil's voice is soaring, and Banks' keyboards set the whole atmosphere. 
I scored the 7" of Many Too Many years ago, plain sleeve, and it features Lights Went Out and a track called Vancouver.
Also there's the Spot The Pigeon EP, which I always came across lumped in with the 'Rarities' section at record fairs, but many vendors had a copy for sale either way. It has the wonderful track 'Inside And Out'.
Off topic, there's something special about Duke. I loved it when I bought my copy in 1987, forgot about it for years, then re-discovered it a couple of years back and it hit me for six.......(I must be getting old.......)
Oh, I feel that Phil has bought an element of his Brand X playing to his drums on ATTWT. Just blowing.


Posted By: Raccoon
Date Posted: July 23 2014 at 02:11
Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Originally posted by Raccoon Raccoon wrote:

I've never heard the B-side to Many Too Many (The Day The Light Went Out), but from first listen, it's not big on my list. 
I'm actually surprised at the results!! Usually the song longest in length wins polls. So far, Undertow's winning. And I'll put my vote into that pool. Strong emotion, that one. Everything's in its right place. Drums are tight, Phil's voice is soaring, and Banks' keyboards set the whole atmosphere. 
I scored the 7" of Many Too Many years ago, plain sleeve, and it features Lights Went Out and a track called Vancouver.
Also there's the Spot The Pigeon EP, which I always came across lumped in with the 'Rarities' section at record fairs, but many vendors had a copy for sale either way. It has the wonderful track 'Inside And Out'.
Getting back to the topic, there's something special about Duke. I loved it when I bought my copy in 1987, forgot about it for years, then re-discovered it a couple of years back and it hit me for six.......(I must be getting old.......)
I've seen that Pigeon EP at nearly every record store I've been to. Most of the time, they have nothing from Genesis but 5 new copies of that EP. When I find it used, I'll pick it up and listen. I thought maybe it was shotty bootlegs at first glance. Leftovers from Wind & Wuthering, eh? I'll definitely check it out. AND that Vancouver song, haha. Thanks


Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: July 23 2014 at 03:48
Spot The Pigeon = not rare at all.....


Posted By: fudgenuts64
Date Posted: July 23 2014 at 04:13
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

The Day The Light Went Out

Didn't make the album as it was deemed to be too much like early Genesis apparently. Its a killer track much better than most of the album imho ( I would only put Deep In The Motherlode above it) and I really like the album as it is.

 

When was this said? Would love to read/hear/watch whatever interview this was from.

I quite like the song as well, would have been a great fit for the album, both musically and lyrically. Vancouver could have worked but I don't know, sounds like it would have fit better on Duke.



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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: July 23 2014 at 04:19
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:



The Day The Light Went Out
Didn't make the album as it was deemed to be too much like early Genesis apparently. Its a killer track much better than most of the album imho ( I would only put Deep In The Motherlode above it) and I really like the album as it is.




I think it sounds quite like pre Trick Genesis, but with the modern Dave Hentschel production. It would have been a welcome addition for the album, perhaps replacing 'Scenes from a nights dream' or maybe replacing Your own Special Way or Wot Gorrila on WAW.

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Posted By: Xonty
Date Posted: July 23 2014 at 05:24
Undertow - never realised he wrote so many great songs on that album!


Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: July 23 2014 at 05:36
a quite under rated album by Genesis, Undertow gets my vote, the rest are more then ok to my ears


Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: July 23 2014 at 07:25
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

The Day The Light Went Out

Didn't make the album as it was deemed to be too much like early Genesis apparently. Its a killer track much better than most of the album imho ( I would only put Deep In The Motherlode above it) and I really like the album as it is.

 
This.


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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: July 23 2014 at 09:21
5 great songs!
My favorite: Undertow


Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: July 23 2014 at 10:18
Undertow +1

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Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: July 23 2014 at 14:59
Burning Rope with Undertow a close second---can't get over that big synth opening of Rope---with Hackett on this song it could have been even more amazing.


Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: July 23 2014 at 16:00
Originally posted by HolyMoly HolyMoly wrote:

Undertow for me too. Burning Rope a close 2nd.

Exactly this.


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Posted By: genbanks
Date Posted: July 23 2014 at 20:43
Originally posted by twosteves twosteves wrote:

Burning Rope with Undertow a close second


Exactly this


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 24 2014 at 01:37
Originally posted by fudgenuts64 fudgenuts64 wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

The Day The Light Went Out

Didn't make the album as it was deemed to be too much like early Genesis apparently. Its a killer track much better than most of the album imho ( I would only put Deep In The Motherlode above it) and I really like the album as it is.

 

When was this said? Would love to read/hear/watch whatever interview this was from.

I quite like the song as well, would have been a great fit for the album, both musically and lyrically. Vancouver could have worked but I don't know, sounds like it would have fit better on Duke.


I read it on here unfortunatelyWink . The comment makes sense so I went with it. The thread was discussing the fact that Genesis had recorded a whole prog album which was subsequently discarded for Abacab. I think it was Rutherford who mentioned this in an interview but I've got no links. Sorry!


Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: July 24 2014 at 01:39
Undertow


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 24 2014 at 01:40
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:



The Day The Light Went Out
Didn't make the album as it was deemed to be too much like early Genesis apparently. Its a killer track much better than most of the album imho ( I would only put Deep In The Motherlode above it) and I really like the album as it is.




I think it sounds quite like pre Trick Genesis, but with the modern Dave Hentschel production. It would have been a welcome addition for the album, perhaps replacing 'Scenes from a nights dream' or maybe replacing Your own Special Way or Wot Gorrila on WAW.

I like Scenes From A Night Dream , probably one of my favourite tracks on the album. I would not be to miserable if Follow You Follow Me made way for itSmile


Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: July 24 2014 at 01:43
I once said that I want "Burning Rope" played at my funeral. I guess that says it all

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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: July 24 2014 at 03:32
Even though they've gone the shorter composition styling, these songs still pack a punch and are quite complex....


Posted By: Billy Pilgrim
Date Posted: July 24 2014 at 03:35
Burning Rope! And to the OP, the song has always been about wasted time and wasted life to me. Don't live today for tomorrow like you were immortal, the only survivors on this world of us are...


Posted By: fudgenuts64
Date Posted: July 24 2014 at 05:33
The chorus and last verse make sense with the interpretation, but what is the significance of the first verse? To poke another hole, who is "The man in the moon who seduced you and finally loosed you"? 

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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: July 24 2014 at 05:59
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:


Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:



The Day The Light Went Out
Didn't make the album as it was deemed to be too much like early Genesis apparently. Its a killer track much better than most of the album imho ( I would only put Deep In The Motherlode above it) and I really like the album as it is.




I think it sounds quite like pre Trick Genesis, but with the modern Dave Hentschel production. It would have been a welcome addition for the album, perhaps replacing 'Scenes from a nights dream' or maybe replacing Your own Special Way or Wot Gorrila on WAW.

I like Scenes From A Night Dream , probably one of my favourite tracks on the album. I would not be to miserable if Follow You Follow Me made way for itSmile


I'm the other way round on those two songs.. Although when I first got into that album I would have agreed with you. My perspective changed. Don't know why.

SFAND has some strong melodies and nice well placed key changes in good Genesis tradition, but structurally I find it a lazy song that could have been developed more, but then you could probably argue that for a lot of the shorter songs on ATTWT and Duke.

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Posted By: fudgenuts64
Date Posted: July 24 2014 at 07:20
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:


Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:



The Day The Light Went Out
Didn't make the album as it was deemed to be too much like early Genesis apparently. Its a killer track much better than most of the album imho ( I would only put Deep In The Motherlode above it) and I really like the album as it is.




I think it sounds quite like pre Trick Genesis, but with the modern Dave Hentschel production. It would have been a welcome addition for the album, perhaps replacing 'Scenes from a nights dream' or maybe replacing Your own Special Way or Wot Gorrila on WAW.

I like Scenes From A Night Dream , probably one of my favourite tracks on the album. I would not be to miserable if Follow You Follow Me made way for itSmile


I'm the other way round on those two songs.. Although when I first got into that album I would have agreed with you. My perspective changed. Don't know why.

SFAND has some strong melodies and nice well placed key changes in good Genesis tradition, but structurally I find it a lazy song that could have been developed more, but then you could probably argue that for a lot of the shorter songs on ATTWT and Duke.

I agree, lyrically it fits so well with the album but I can't help but feel that if it was more developed it would be a much better song. 



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Posted By: proggman
Date Posted: July 26 2014 at 22:20
Undertow.

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When he rides, my fears subside.
For darkness turns once more to light.
Through the skies, his white horse flies.
To find a land beyond the night.



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