Grace For Drowning or The Raven
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Topic: Grace For Drowning or The Raven
Posted By: Quirky Turkey
Subject: Grace For Drowning or The Raven
Date Posted: July 30 2014 at 22:09
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I expect that I'd be in the minority, but I prefer Grace for Drowning. I find it more personal, adventurous and atmospheric. The Raven, (although really amazing), I find to be more 'prog for progs sake', being specifically crafted to win the prog fanboys over. But that's me. Anyway, vote! |
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: July 30 2014 at 22:46
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Agree completely, though Drive Home is brilliant. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: July 30 2014 at 23:34
Grace. More consistent, longer (and it has more meat to it), more enjoyable, ... . 
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: July 30 2014 at 23:37
| Raven by a smidge. Both are superb. |
Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: July 30 2014 at 23:42
| Probably The Raven, but "Deform to Form a Star" and the bonus track "Home in Negative" might be my favorite solo tunes from him. |
Posted By: iluvmarillion
Date Posted: July 31 2014 at 00:16
This
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Tom Ozric wrote:Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 31 2014 at 00:56
I rate all WIlson's solo albums as masterpieces so its difficult but the truth is its a lot easier for me to pick up Raven and listen to it than GFD which relies heavily on atmosphere and ambience at times. Raven is a bit 'old school' but it packs a punch and leaves plenty of the evening to listen to other albums
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: July 31 2014 at 01:06
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Raven ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: July 31 2014 at 01:17
| F*ck me, Luminol is up there with best. Can't believe how Beggs has 'progressed' from his days with Kajagoogoo..... |
Posted By: Formentera Lady
Date Posted: July 31 2014 at 02:31
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Raven ------------- http://theprogressiveweb.blogspot.de" rel="nofollow - Visit me in Second Life to talk about music. |
Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: July 31 2014 at 04:30
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Between the two, Raven. Grace has incredible moments, but I find it too long, disjointed and uneven. Raven is tighter and easier to listen. I'd definitely say Grace is much more complex and adventurous, but Raven is simply more fun. Don't think either of the two is as good as Insurgentes, though. ------------- Bigger on the inside. |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: July 31 2014 at 04:52
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^I prefer the debut as well, by quite a large margin. The post punk influences and stark black electronics in play really makes it stand out in Steve's output.
I haven't been listening that much to either of his two newest, so I will refrain from voting. Drive Home though is a track I really have come to adore. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: July 31 2014 at 05:00
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Neither. Don't care for Steve much without the PT.
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Posted By: m2thek
Date Posted: July 31 2014 at 07:18
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Raven always strikes me as fairly mechanical whenever I listen to it. Grace is super emotional all the way through. ------------- Matt |
Posted By: Olape
Date Posted: July 31 2014 at 07:31
So do I.
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Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: July 31 2014 at 10:13
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Grace for me
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Posted By: bloodnarfer
Date Posted: July 31 2014 at 10:39
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Grace by a considerable margin. Neither blow me away though ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ramza1316" rel="nofollow - www.last.fm/user/ramza1316 https://open.spotify.com/user/1211221845" rel="nofollow - https://open.spotify.com/user/1211221845 |
Posted By: ole-the-first
Date Posted: July 31 2014 at 10:43
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Grace for Drowning
------------- This night wounds time. |
Posted By: addictedtoprog
Date Posted: July 31 2014 at 11:42
| GFD by just a whisker.... |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: July 31 2014 at 11:47
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Posted By: La nouvelle terre
Date Posted: July 31 2014 at 12:34
| Grace.... |
Posted By: CryoftheCarrots
Date Posted: July 31 2014 at 17:58
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Grace by a Gnat's whisker.
Spoke to Guthrie Govan a couple of weeks ago at the Adelaide Guitar Festival. Says he goes into the studio this month to start work on the next SW album. ------------- "There is a lot in this world to be tense and intense about" MJK |
Posted By: Billy Pilgrim
Date Posted: July 31 2014 at 19:11
| Grace for Drowning. Raven doesn't do it for me, I agree with the comments about it feeling mechanical, and sorta made for the masses, to win over the fanboys, which it did. Different strokes for different folks I guess, but nothing on Raven stands out to me, feels very very uninspired. Grace for Drowning kicks all the ass though. Well rounded album, with ambiance, heavy prog, experimental insanity, and even some songs you could hear being played on the radio. My favorite thing Wilson has done since Deadwing. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: July 31 2014 at 22:04
| I got Grace for Drowning after seeing all the great reviews it got, without knowing anything from him or PT (except that they were fairly succesful). And really I was very pleasantly surprised. Something new and different... I feel it's the natural succesor to King Crimson's Islands, but for the new age. When Steven announced he was doing another album so closely after GfD, I was rather exceptical about him trying to follow such a great album... specially since I had heard "Luminol" from the live tour DVD and hadn't done much for me. Still, as soon as I got Raven, Luminol immediatley clicked and the whole album ended up being awsome. In the end it's Raven for me. I wonder if Steve will be able to keep up this great string of albums with his next release. |
Posted By: tboyd1802
Date Posted: August 01 2014 at 07:39
| Make mine a Raven please... |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: August 01 2014 at 08:17
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Grace by a pace.
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Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: August 01 2014 at 12:32
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I went with The Raven here. I think some of the songs on Grace for Drowning may be better (Sectarian, Deform to Form a Star and Index in particular for me) but as a whole, I prefer The Raven. Both are excellent though.
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Posted By: proggman
Date Posted: August 03 2014 at 23:48
The Raven That Refused to Sing (And Other Stories).------------- When he rides, my fears subside. For darkness turns once more to light. Through the skies, his white horse flies. To find a land beyond the night. |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: August 04 2014 at 01:30
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I think I voted rather abruptly for Raven. Just gave Grace a spin and truly forgot how intense and amazing it is.
Also love that horned figure pictured in the sleeves. |
Posted By: Metalmarsh89
Date Posted: August 04 2014 at 07:36
Mission accomplished. I vote the Raven. ------------- Want to play mafia? Visit http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com" rel="nofollow - here . |
Posted By: Roj
Date Posted: August 04 2014 at 07:45
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All three of SW's solo albums are outstanding if truth be told, there are many moments of pure genius on all three. Each time I listen to a SW album I think that's the best then change my mind when I hear one of the other two! As for the poll, the atmosphere of Grace is a big factor, it's a riveting listen, it's fantastic, but I've got to go with The Raven here, a modern prog classic.
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Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: August 07 2014 at 15:44
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GfD, again. -------------  
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