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11:11

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1 stars Honestly, no idea what made the fuss over this extra-long album. Yes it is very conceptual. Yes it's extremely pompous. Yes it pretends to be encyclopedic. The only thing I've completely failed to find in this album is good music. I'd say this grandiose project is a grandiose show-off, a splurge, a dummy. If a listener is impressionable, perhaps it might be perceived as something global, first of all due to its estimable subject ('Journey of the Hero', even not 'a hero' but 'the Hero', you see!). But what's inside? All the melodic themes are as plain and primitive as most of TV pop hits or straight rock songs. One pleasant rock ballad (Hanging On), unfortunately contaminated with faulty guitar solo, then with faulty keyboard solo, and finally with faulty coda... No fresh idea, no complex melodic construction, almost no modulation between tonalities, no inventiveness in melody making, no intricate rhythm. Two hours of banality, nothing more. No musical interaction either between the tracks or between the turns of the fabula, no action, no drama. Just a boring sequence of boring musical themes, a protracted pop rock show under pretentious proggy camouflage. And I even cannot say that it is at least performed well. The musicianship is on the border of amateur, with the exception of some guest singers. OK Pink Floyd weren't virtuosi too, but Gilmour's guitar soli, Wright's keyboard soundscapes and Mason's drumming were amazingly refined, intelligent, noble. While here in 11:11 most of instruments and voices sound almost vulgar. I remember the glorious days of Brazilian prog scene: O Terco, Som Nosso De Cada Dia, Tellah, Bacamarte, Quantum, Sagrado Coracao Da Terra, Topos Uranos, Terceiro Milenio, Blezqi Zatsaz, Quaterna Requiem, Via Lumini, Apocalypse, Pocos E Nuvens, Index, Tempus Fugit... What a bunch of fantastic musical ideas and solutions! And after all this luxury - Sub Rosa?! No, thanks. If this is a new chapter in the history of Brazilian prog, I'm afraid this means that Brazilian prog has got deflated by the 2020s.
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Posted Thursday, December 2, 2021 | Review Permalink
Tarcisio Moura
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3 stars I really don´t understand. Reinaldo Jose, the bass player, songwriter and mastermind behind this band kindly asked me to write a review of their most recent work, 11:11. They even sent me their record and I have been listening to it for several weeks. I had great expectations since I did love their debut (2010s The Gigsaw). The problem here is that their newest release has very little that reminds me of their powerful, varied and eclectic start. Recorded in a period of almost 7 years (2014 to 2021) it is hard to believe that this double concept album had to turned out to be so disappointing. No, it is not bad. It is just sedated: it lacks energy and drive. It´s pleasant enough, it has good melodies, but that´s all. No highlights, no surprises and very little variations.

After repeated listenings I found nice subtle moments that I suppose were to be expected, especially the dual male/female vocals and a few guitar solos, but the songwriting is below par when compared to their other work. I tried very hard to see their point and find why the music here is what it is and ultimately this album failed to capture my imagination. The production really sucks, I get the feeling of hearing something from the 60s, and I find it difficult to believe that this is the same band that gave us The Jigsaw. I understand that a concept album has a storyline that makes the music go to a certain direction and I suppose it makes some sense if you´re following the narrative closely, but to me it still it seems to go on and on with nothing really exciting to make it more palatable. Even long tracks like Do What You Will (over 7 minutes) and Breakthrough Listen (11) are not epics, but simply songs that overstay their welcome.

Conclusion: I really hope this band will come up with something that really does justice to their talent and skill in the future. This one, unfortunately, does not, I´m afraid. I´ll rate it 3 stars for all their work and good melodies, but it should be something between 2 and 2,5 stars.

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Posted Wednesday, February 2, 2022 | Review Permalink
nick_h_nz
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Prog Metal / Heavy Prog Team
3 stars [Originally published as a mini-review at The Progressive Aspect]

11:11 is the long-awaited follow-up to 2009's The Gigsaw, which is an album I had a great deal of affection for. So when I listened to 11:11 and was rather underwhelmed, I wondered if it were just because my tastes have changed over the intervening years. It had been quite a while since I'd last listened to The Gigsaw, so I put that on to see if it was still as good as I remembered - and it was. It's not that 11:11 is a bad album. It simply doesn't measure up to the far more impressive debut. Of the founding members of Sub Rosa, only Reinaldo Jose was still a member of the band when The Gigsaw was recorded, and only he and Barbara Laranjeira remain from that album for 11:11. And perhaps this is why the album doesn't quite hit the heights of its predecessor. There's certainly nothing wrong with the rhythm section of Jose and Laranjeira, but the keys and guitar don't pull the punch they need to.

Sub Rosa has always been interested in the occult, and the references to it are all over their debut and this new album. In fact, the 22 tracks of 11:11 are matched to the 22 cards of the Major Arcana in a Tarot deck Sub Rosa have designed to accompany the album. But where The Gigsaw had a dark and edgy feel to the keys and guitar, much of 11:11 simply sounds bland and banal. Where The Gigsaw sounded ancient, 11:11 simply sounds retro. What's worst though, for me, is the production. It's just so muddy and muffled, and doesn't allow any of the music to breathe. I fear that perhaps Sub Rosa have paid too much attention to the detail and aesthetics of their Tarot deck than to their music. The Gigsaw is full of details that are only revealed after subsequent listens, so that it is indeed like a jigsaw, as each new piece is found.

The other problem I have is how the album jumps in style from track to track. Presumably this is deliberate, to portray the different aspects of the different cards of the Major Arcana, but it doesn't flow very well to my ears. The Gigsaw was also eclectic in its sounds, but sounded far how cohesive, and the movements between styles was fluid and organic. The differing sounds locked into place to elucidate the greater picture that The Gigsaw ultimately revealed. The sometimes jarring changes between songs work to their detriment. And it's a shame, because some of the songs are really good. I can't help but think that as grand as the concept is, Sub Rosa don't quite pull it off. The album suffers by becoming over-long, and having too many songs that just aren't up to the standard I expect from the band. It pains me to say it, but I probably won't be playing this often. I'll stick to The Gigsaw, which I know and love.

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Posted Saturday, March 19, 2022 | Review Permalink
3 stars 11:11 is the second full studio album from Brazilian prog act Sub Rosa and released 11 years after its debut. At this moment the lineup consist of Reinaldo José on bass (mastermind, additional keyboards, guitars and vocals), Rudolf Pinto on guitars, Barbara Laranjeira on drums and vocals, and Alexandre Salgueiro on keyboards and vocals. Is a double concept album and its 22 songs talk about human development, in a Jungian approach to the archetypes of the 22 major arcana of the Tarot.

Before I do any assessment on the music here contained, I would like to honor the amount of work that Reinaldo José has put into this work, both musically and conceptually speaking, going the extra mile designing and creating an 11:11 Libreto with 22 beautiful ad custom made tarot cards, each representing one of the 22 songs of the album, a Libreto also available with the graphics, lyrics and spectacular visual content. Chapeau, definitely a work of art, I've seen it and read it, its truly pristine and overwhelming.

In regards to the musical content, there's a lot of good stuff here but a lot of filler too, to my ears. 11:11 is a monumental musical creation that clocks nearly 2hours of continuing music and I think it could have been trimmed a little to avoid the few boring moments, specially towards the end of the 1st CD and the middle section of the 2nd CD. I really like when the band approaches its spacey and cosmic Floyd/Eloy/Hawkwind influences but when they want to go the hard blues highway or the heavy prog route is when it gets somehow messy, perhaps intentional, perhaps intimately attached to the concept, but kind of disoriented to my taste. Opposite to what I experienced with their debut, The GIgsaw, the English vocals here work fine and the lyrical content is profound and well crafted, and I don't mind neither the male or female vocals when they are on their own, what gets me often distracted is when they harmonize the male and female vocals together, I tend to loose some of the cool arrangements that are being played by whom I consider the underdog in this band, Mr. Salgueiro, the keyboard player who's cosmic input elevates the musical atmosphere every time he is allowed to. I am very fund of rhythmic sections and their importance in a band's sound, and I truly think Sub Rosa could benefit with a more versatile drummer.

11:11 is a lengthy and obscure effort by Reinaldo José and the band, and it shows snippets of the underlying talent in most of its members but it was maybe too huge of a goal for a sophomore album, I hope they can pinpoint the best material here and evolve under that umbrella for their next album. BTW, the guitar work is really good throughout the whole trip, nice riffing when needed, amazing soloing and great tonality. The album art cover, another highlight here?

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Posted Friday, January 27, 2023 | Review Permalink

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