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I certainly won't be buying the 'Red' and 'Blue' albums again, but I might download 'Now And Then' for 0.99p on Amazon. Tongue
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The General consensus seems to be it will be good, better than the last 2 singles released in the 90s, but not worth buying those Red and Blue albums, which I agree with
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^ Maybe the consensus in prog circles, but as songs Real Love & FaaB were more melodic, tighter, specific, and closer to what the Beatles might've released as B-sides.   'Now and Then' is more of an internal John Lennon exploration.
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^Does that make it a perfect final Beatles song in terms of Lyrical content?
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Nope, that doesn't exist.
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 ... I mean except for 'The End/Her Majesty' of course   Big smile
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^'The Medley' (A.K.A. The Long One) is perhaps the greatest career closer in history, and I think it will be remembered as The Beatles true career closer, at least I hope so. 

'and in the end, the love you take, is equal to the love you make'
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Certainly not their best song but it is satisfying to see a recording with half the Beatles living and half dead perform a bonafide song. This short 12 1/2 minute documentary scratches that itch.

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I'm listening to it now. Not to sound like a party pooper but does anyone really consider this to be the Beatles?

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^ they all play on it so sure. Is it the best Beatles? Not even close. It's definitely a throwaway track which is why it wasn't finished in 1994.

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Hi,

I haven't heard this in its entirety, but some bits and pieces of this stuff appears to have been heard in the many bootlegs around the Beatles, specially Let It Be.

And of course, John, George and Paul would eventually remember their bits and do something with them!

As for a new "Beatles" ... I don't think that is right, or should have been done. Maybe if they were listed as "out-takes" it would make better sense.
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I've just had the chance to listen to it, I like it, the vocals are better than Real Love and Free as a Bird, some of the harmonies sound a bit off to me, Paul's Slide solo isn't half bad, it fits the song. 

'The Medley' (Which does NOT include Because) is their true end, however, I will say 'Now and Then' is a solid record, and the last 'NEW' Beatles song we'll ever get, it's sad, I had no idea I'd get a new song by Rock's greatest group in my lifetime, so it will always hold a special place in my heart. 
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"It's rubbish."   --George Harrison
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^Did George say WHY he thought it was rubbish?
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^ I don't think he had to---  he was a Beatle, and frankly he's right.





Edited by Atavachron - November 02 2023 at 18:15
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^My conclusion is, Now and Then will always be sentimental to me, seeing as it's the only thing I'll ever get as a 'new' Beatles song in my lifetime, The Medley is their true studio ending, and nothing will ever change that. I say it's a good song (Better than 'Real Love' and 'Free as a Bird' in my opinion) it's technically a Beatles song, so I don't know what to think of it, it's not their best, it's not their worst, it's a mid-tier song (if the Beatles have such a thing), so it's a Mid-Tier Beatles song. 

If I had to sum up my thoughts in a sentence, i'd say:

It's interesting, good, and I'm glad it came out, and I hope it doesn't mar what was meant to be their Swan Song. 
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^ it's a mere blip and most people won't even be aware that it came out.

These things are acceptable given The Beatles never carried on with new band members.

Personally it's not horrible but hardly anything i will shell out cash for.

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Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

^My conclusion is, Now and Then will always be sentimental to me, seeing as it's the only thing I'll ever get as a 'new' Beatles song in my lifetime, The Medley is their true studio ending, and nothing will ever change that. I say it's a good song (Better than 'Real Love' and 'Free as a Bird' in my opinion) it's technically a Beatles song, so I don't know what to think of it, it's not their best, it's not their worst, it's a mid-tier song (if the Beatles have such a thing), so it's a Mid-Tier Beatles song. 
If I had to sum up my thoughts in a sentence, i'd say:

It's interesting, good, and I'm glad it came out, and I hope it doesn't mar what was meant to be their Swan Song.

Of course.
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I will say, that 12 minute documentary on YouTube made me appreciate this a lot more
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

"It's rubbish."   --George Harrison

Hi,

Considering GH's sardonic humor ... this comment would probably be followed with a laugh!
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