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    Posted: May 23 2008 at 22:00
So, this is my question...

I think this great finish band should be included in this site... Maybe they are not strictly progressive, but I think that their music has enough elements wich make this fantastic band worthy to be in ProgArchives.

Hearing albums like the incredible "Elegy", and the equally great "Tuonela", I can't stop thinking that there are many band on this site wich are very less progressive than Amorphis. Their music has a lot of 70's influences, with psychedelic elemnents, and some songs are variated enough to have the name of progressive metal (or maybe Experimental/Post Metal...)

So... What do you think? In my opinion, if bands like Orphaned Land, Opeth, Anathema and Green Carnation are here... Amorphis should also be included in ProgArchives, because their approach to the metal genre is not very different.

And if you have not heard any album from these people... I recommend you to give "Elegy" a try, because this is a true masterpiece of prog-metal in my humble opinion.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2008 at 22:14
This topic will be moved by the admin to Suggest New Bands and Artists

Some other threads for reference purposes:
Amorphis: Prog or Non-prog?
Amorphis = NOT DEATH METAL
Amorphis?

I've heard a bit of Amorphis, but not enough.  The description for Amorphis for the official site describes the band as "Progressive metal band with lyrics and themes based on Finnish national epic, Kalevala."

I'm no prog metal expert, but I'm listening to the band's myspace page: http://www.myspace.com/amorphis now.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2008 at 22:29
As you can see from my sig, this is one of my 3 favorite bands and I've requested their inclusion not on that basis but because at least two of their albums are very prog, "elegy" and "tuonela". people repeatedly call them death-metal even though they WERE death-metal, not anymore. Those two albums have a distinct 70's flavor, very strong Hawkwind and Pink Floyd references, and in Elegy they truly mix metal with folk and even more influences. At least in prog-related they would fit much more than many bands there. Their latest albums ("silent Waters" and "Eclipse") are not prog at all but still proggy, and their middle albums, "Am Universum" and "far from the sun" were middle of the road. Their legendary "tales from a thousand lakes" is pure death metal, and sadly, it appears this is all Amorphis many people have ever listened to, or the very weak "privilege of Evil".
 
But the prog-metal team has rejected them so I guess it's a hopeless cause, unless some of the other members re-listen to it. There are countless bands that demand attention, so don't hold your breath for it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2008 at 22:32
Sorry... I think I made a little mistake!

Thank you for the information... I've read the other discussions... And I think this band will never be included in this site, having been rejected by the administrators and special collaborators.

Ok... But I still think that they are prog, and that they deserve a place here. There are a lot of bands here wich have almost nothing to do with prog music, while Amorphis has always tried to experiment with new sounds, influences and different prog elements.

What a pity... But they will always be in the prog section of my Cd's collection anyway!

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P.S.: the songs available at MySpace are not really representative of this band... Because the last two albums, "Eclipse" and "Silent Waters" are a king of return to the roots of their muisc, and not so progressive in my opinion... But I consider they are excellent albums anyway.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2008 at 22:40
Hello, The T!

I'm very glad of seeing I'm not alone on this struggle! I've seen you have also fighted for the inclusion of this band in other topics... I had no idea.

I think it will be difficult having Amorphis on this site... But I'm totally agree with you... On the prog related genre there are a lot of bands wich are very less progressive than Amorphis! I find it a bit unfair...

I would gladly comment their music on this site!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2008 at 22:45
Moved to the Suggest section.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2008 at 08:40
Amorphis is a very good band, and they would deserve an inclusion as prog related.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2008 at 09:13
Originally posted by Norbert Norbert wrote:

Amorphis is a very good band, and they would deserve an inclusion as prog related.


I'm totally agree with you... I think even the inclusion as Experimental Metal would be OK... In my humble opinion, these administrators who rejected the band's inclusion, should give "Elegy" or "Tuonela" (or "Am Universum"...) a pair of listenings.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2008 at 13:35
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2008 at 14:07
I asked for some recommendations and checked some songs out. To say the least, I was not impressed. I think they stand out in metal circles, but certainly not prog.

Just my opinion though. No better then anyone else.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2008 at 17:36
Originally posted by ProgBagel ProgBagel wrote:

I asked for some recommendations and checked some songs out. To say the least, I was not impressed. I think they stand out in metal circles, but certainly not prog.
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no they really don't stand out in Metal circles, their early stuff was great Death Metal, then they went all "clean vocal" and jumped the shark IMO, Im sure they've garnered a crowd ever since the change of direction, while holding on to a few long time fans - but it just wasn't for me, Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2008 at 01:24
Elegy and Tuonela are kind of folk-psychedelic-metal.... It's prog...
 
Don't try to find much prog in their latest albums (or in the four awfully chosen MySpace samples) But I'll always mantain the band, if only for those two records I mentioned, could be here.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2008 at 01:27
VERY close call.........I could see either way



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2008 at 01:34
I have to agree with Elegy, and there being psychedelic elements on Am Universum, but as for Tuonela, I suppose technically it had some folky parts and pyschedelia...been awhile since I've listened to it, and to be frank it's become one of my least favourite Amorphis albums, which has really surprised me since it used to be my favourite! Just after many listens I find in comparison to their other efforts it feels uninspired...

Anyway, I fully support the inclusion of this band, regardless of its rejection...Thumbs%20Up

Also, I haven't checked out Silent Waters yet, but looking forward to it! I did quite enjoy eclipse, it was definitely a return to their earlier roots, while still mainting some lighter, more harmonic and psychedelic elements to spice things up...couple tracks I could mention if I wasn't too lazy to listen, but definitely was worth the purchase!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2008 at 01:34
A band like Amorphis couid only be added to a Metal Related sub-genre, they are not prog Related in the sense we expect from a band, if Prog Metal says not to them, it would be a mistake to start flooding PR with Metal bands.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2008 at 01:59
Originally posted by mithrandir mithrandir wrote:


Originally posted by ProgBagel ProgBagel wrote:

I asked for some recommendations and checked some songs out. To say the least, I was not impressed. I think they stand out in metal circles, but certainly not prog.

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no they really don't stand out in Metal circles, their early stuff was great Death Metal, then they went all "clean vocal" and jumped the shark IMO, Im sure they've garnered a crowd ever since the change of direction, while holding on to a few long time fans - but it just wasn't for me, Wink


oh, but they do stand out in Metal Circles! up to Elegy they were metal all the way, despite the clean vocals - that has nothing to do with the 'metalness'. and even tuonela and am universum have more than enough metal elements. also their last two releases somewhat return to their roots.. also, i've seen them live: it took place at a metal venue, the audience were all metalheads, their playlist was based on their most metal songs (most of the songs where from "Tales..") and their performance was that of a metal band....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2008 at 02:07
haha! I sort of meant they "don't stand out" as in they "aren't anything special" despite their revolving door of style changes they've made throughout the years, amongst folks that I know their early stuff is where its at....but then again I don't really speak for the greater Metal community (god help us!), just jaded old f**ks like myself, Tongue
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