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    Posted: July 06 2005 at 04:23

No!!!!! I am not suggesting that I have priority over the rest of you.......

In the folk rock realm , these guys (well mainly Tom Rapp - no bad puns you, punks) were really something. I have recently picked from the library their first four albums (I think there will be a few € penalty because of the due-back date is well past) and I could not believe my ears.

A Nation Underground (68), Balaklava (69), The Use Of Ashes (70) are simply superb , truly beautyful albums (the fourth is a bit less interesting and is aptly named These Things Too (70) ) somehow close to Tim Buckley , Nick Drake, Jacques Brel but also it seems to me fairly progressive (at least in Spirit) songwriting , a lot of classical influences and gorgeous string  arrangements.

Balaklava even has a Cohen cover of Suzanne (not his best tune IMHO), but some of the ambiances developped are incredible: somber yet majestic, beautyful and spine-tingling! Best of of those albums mentioned is The Use Of Ashes  where his Raconteur-Troubadour is taking a special turn towards more "rock" instrumentations. Astounding moments and from far my favorite.

Raconteur-Troubadours of the 60's were the truer folk version of Singer-Songwriters of the 70's, mostly due to the fact that more and more S/S were switching to elerctric instrumentation, which is why the name changed.

So, P B S!!!!! prog or not?

 

A call to the older generation: After Pearls Before Swine retired , Tom Rapp retired from the music scene to become a lawyer. I know he made some solo albums, but which one would be the obvious one to get?

 

Next on my Folk Rock Quest ............ HOLLY MODAL ROUNDERS!!!!!!!........mmmmmmmmh!!!!! Intriguing stuff!!!!! can't wait

Album titles like Indian War Whoops and Moray Eels Eats Holy Modal Rounders are very appealling to this cat!!!!

And curiosity never killed this cat!!!



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2005 at 10:34

So far 40 members have viewed this but none gave a comment.

Try to elevate the level of the forum , and this is what you get!!! Ignored!!!!

Or maybe is it about ignorance?

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2005 at 10:36
We're all scared to post in a topic destined to be moved!  '

Actually, I dunno about the other 39 blokes, but seeing as the band's not in the archives, I was hoping for an MP3 sample or to for a good listen. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2005 at 10:49
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

So far 40 members have viewed this but none gave a comment.

Try to elevate the level of the forum , and this is what you get!!! Ignored!!!!

Or maybe is it about ignorance?

 



Sorry Sean but I don't know these guys, but will get back to you about this when I can get a hold of their stuff and have a listen. Thanks for the review on them. Sounds interesting.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2005 at 11:05
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

So far 40 members have viewed this but none gave a comment.

Try to elevate the level of the forum , and this is what you get!!! Ignored!!!!

Or maybe is it about ignorance?

 


Happens to me all the time. I suggest something I am pretty sure no-one has ever heard about, and what do I get? No response. Example: I posted SEVERAL messages mentioning Mother Gong's excellent album "Fairy Tales", of which I am pretty sure it is an unknown gem, but no reaction (except one from Certified). Mother Gong are not even listed in the archives!!!
The collaborators are no better, by the way. I suggested to add "Nik Turner's Sphynx" and their excellent album "Xitintoday" to the archives, supplied a list of musicians playing on it (apart from Nik Turner an illustrious list consisting of Steve Hillage, Mike Howlett, Tim Blake, Miquette Giraudy, Morris Pert, Alan Powell) and even offered to write a review for it, but did I get any reaction? None at all. It was neither added to the archives nor was there any reason supplied why it wasn't.
My wife and I even offered our help as collaborators almost two weeks ago. No reaction to that either. Sometimes I am really fed up with this site. My wife and I really want to help, but getting no reaction at all is not really encouraging.

'nuff said.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2005 at 13:18

Okay, fair enough. I was looking for Mother Gong in the Archives, just because of what BaldJean said about it, and I couldn't find it. Nor any other of the Gong satellite groups. Now I know it simply isn't there. Should have known it. Mother Gong is high on my list-of-things-to-buy, but because I don't have anything interesting to say about it, I don't react on the forum. I speak for myself, of course.

As for Sean's bands: I read about Nick Drake and Tim Buckley. I tried them out, but because I can't get into them, I don't respond.

So I'd chosen not to react. Until now, that is .

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2005 at 13:21
I think sometimes the problem is finding just the right band to talk about ... Balancing between the overkill of Yes, Genesis etc and some relatively unknown (or at least little-discussed) outfit like The Enid, England, Quartermass, Tonton Macoute, T2, Marsupillami ... etc

I've never heard PBS or Mother Gong ... heard lots of good things about PBS ... but somehow got the impression they were more baroque-pop like the 60s Nirvana and the Left Bank ... I've also got a few Gong albums and they're great ...

I'm sure both bands are good, and I'm interested to hear what you guys have to say ... but have very little to give back if I've never heard the band ...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2005 at 04:05

Hang on a minute! Don't go ,looking for the latest 60's progressive gem dug out here, guys!

This is folk rock and might just be folk prog. But albums barely last 30 minutes , tracks are fairly short .

Those of you into Buckley , Drake should enjoy PBS . But this is something special that most progheads should appreciate.

 

Mother Gong!!!! I must've missed that thread !! But the album I heard once was obviously done on strong drugs and Gilly's pet project is certainly experimental!!! Wheteher full-blown prog is another debate. I think not!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2005 at 07:22

Hey Sean - I just saw this post. I am a big PBS fan, but I would not necessarily say they fall within the definition of prog as I understand it here at the archives.

There have been some arguments about Giles, Giles and Fripp belonging here, and quite a few people do not believe they should be included. PBS material is similar to GGF in tone and execution.

Tom Rapp is a criminally underrated songwriter, and Pearls Before Swine are one of my favorite bands.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2005 at 10:36
Originally posted by radiognome3 radiognome3 wrote:

Hey Sean - I just saw this post. I am a big PBS fan, but I would not necessarily say they fall within the definition of prog as I understand it here at the archives.

There have been some arguments about Giles, Giles and Fripp belonging here, and quite a few people do not believe they should be included. PBS material is similar to GGF in tone and execution.

Tom Rapp is a criminally underrated songwriter, and Pearls Before Swine are one of my favorite bands.

That is the only weak point of the site. There is too much emphasis on the rock of prog rock.

Too much time and energy is spent at defining prog rock. I'd rather talk about progressive music. That would englobe Les Musiques Nouvelles, ECM jazz-rock/fusion artist, Psych-prog rock (proto-prog), and even Wyrd folk (strange and unusual folk rock).

As for PBS (not Public Broadcasting System - do they still exist? - that was quality TV) , the comparison to G, G & F is interesting , because this did not come up to mind at all. I'll check it up someday - I'll borrow the Cheefull Insanities at the library.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2005 at 16:30
Ihave The Nation Underground by PBS. I got the reissue on vinyl on Get Back records. A beautiful repackaging job on 180 gramm vinyl. Sadly I find the musi therein to be twee in the extreme. But hey ho, I only paid £5 for it, so I ca always use as a frizbee.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2005 at 05:09

Originally posted by Phallusdei Phallusdei wrote:

Ihave The Nation Underground by PBS. I got the reissue on vinyl on Get Back records. A beautiful repackaging job on 180 gramm vinyl. Sadly I find the musi therein to be twee in the extreme. But hey ho, I only paid £5 for it, so I ca always use as a frizbee.

Seeing your Cabaret Voltaire tastes , I will not really mention that what you could with to those vinyls.

Seriously for others who should investigate this most important folk rock group:

One Nation Underground : 3,5* good debut and roughly half the tracks are superb

Balaklava: 4* some real great moments, most notably Translucent Carriages, Lepers and Roses, and the superb and gloomy finale Ring Thing (based on Tolkien)

The Uses Of Ashes: 4,5 * . To name one track would do injustice to the rest of them, but Jeweller , Child and so many more are ghastly beautyful. Heavenly Drake-Buckley Father sown influences with superb arrangements. Flutes are delicious.

These Things Too: 3* , the rest of the tracks from Uses Of Ashes sessions: not quite as good.

Beautyful Lies You Could Live In : 3,5 * The last classic album from them, still quite nice but country influences are defintely gaining over folk

City Of Gold : 2,5 * , still some moments but Nashville Influences are over bearing on most tracks

After this Tom Rapp (it was mostly him and whoever he could find or whoever was around and this includes his wife Elizabeth) will drop the P B S name to record until 75 when he will retire.

BTW , Pearls Before Swine does not mean anything but since record companies were looking foir artists with weird names (ie The Electric Prunes.....) , he just found this to get signed up.

 

 

 

 

for those who care: Holy Modal Rounders was a major disappointment: heavy experimental psyche and then later very Country Rock.



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