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Poll Question: which conceptual symphonic works do you like
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    Posted: July 30 2010 at 06:26
I'm far from an expert on symphnic composed music, but I know of these two works which are based on a storyline or concept (I also know of Mozart the Magic flute).
 
but the works of Grieg and Holst are closer in time and I hear "some" similarities in motifs and strukture, both are modernistic composeres (Grieg became but most known as a romanticism composer a national one)
 
i don't know much more or if they are posible to compere but I have heard both so i can make this poll with sinserity.


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I like them both, but still nothing beats "La Mer" by Claude Debussy Cool
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how about Tchaikovsky's "1812 overture"? or Richard Strauss* Alpine Symphony"?


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Debussy is probably my favorite.  One of the parts of Greig's Peer Gynt was stuck in my head since I was a little kid.  I think it was on one of the records that came with this TV like thing that showed a filmstrip and had a turntable on top.  I didn't find out who or what it was until a professor played it in a college history class. LOL  I have a compilation CD of Greig pieces (Greatest Hits) but have not explored his work any further.

The only Holst I know is The Planets, which I really like.  My first encounter with was a synthesizer version of it by an artist whose name I don't remember any more.  I may still have the LP in storage but I think it was in the flooded section.  I thought Tomita did a really nice version despite the corny bits at the beginning and end.

And thanks to ELP, I'm a big fan of Pictures At An Exhibition.  I like the original piano version as well as the orchestrated and ELP's versions.  And Tomita's.


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not heard them, "im not an avid lister to symphonic music but I like it but are not knowleasgeable about any other conceptual suits but im sure getting more.
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I love Peer Gynt, the suites alone more than the complete works. It's one of my favorite pieces of classical music.
 
From Holst I only know one bit of the work.
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this is another great suit from Grieg
 
the underrated Holberg suite which is aboit overshadowed by the Peer Gynt suite
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Many classic works are based on a storyline, just think about all the great Stravinsky ballet's

The Firebird, would be one of my favorite ballet music. Know by many Proggys from the opening of the tribble live Yes album 
Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Erik Satie "Parade" - surrealistic ballet by Jean Cocteau, Erik Satie and Pablo Picasso. Unfortunatelly I can't find a single video of the performance anywhere on the internet, I don't really believe there even is a recorded performance. Well, I can't even find on youtube a music from it so you have to "buy" it Wink Anyway, I think it would be a great material for a prog rock adaptation Smile here's something about how it happened:


and... http://www.ballet.co.uk/images/bdbordeaux/jp_parade_city_man_700.jpg
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In classical music recordings, the interpretation can "make or break" a work of music, and one way of doing it works for some, while others have different ways of uniting with a piece of music

i am not all that big a fan of The Planets, but would recommend to anybody the very first recording made -acoustically in 1923, and conducted by the composer

in Peer Gynt, there are two incredibly done recordings of the complete incidental music-one conducted by Sir John Barbirolli and the Halle Orchestra, and the other conducted by Sir Thomas Beecham with the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra-both are from the early stereo era, and are wonderfull
             of course, depending upon your taste, there are other good ones out there
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I voted for Grieg. I don't like a lot of his music, but Peer Gynt is really good. The Planets is nice, but it's a little to post-romantic for my taste.
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Not too knowledgeable about classical music, but I love The Planets.
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Prokoviev - Peter and The Wolf (based on an old Russian folk tale I think)
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Debussy is probably my favorite.  One of the parts of Greig's Peer Gynt was stuck in my head since I was a little kid.  I think it was on one of the records that came with this TV like thing that showed a filmstrip and had a turntable on top.  I didn't find out who or what it was until a professor played it in a college history class. LOL  I have a compilation CD of Greig pieces (Greatest Hits) but have not explored his work any further.

The only Holst I know is The Planets, which I really like.  My first encounter with was a synthesizer version of it by an artist whose name I don't remember any more.  I may still have the LP in storage but I think it was in the flooded section.  I thought Tomita did a really nice version despite the corny bits at the beginning and end.

And thanks to ELP, I'm a big fan of Pictures At An Exhibition.  I like the original piano version as well as the orchestrated and ELP's versions.  And Tomita's.
 
I like Tomita's enterpretations of The Planets and Firebird as well.
btw it was Ravel (he of the Bolero) who has done the most well known orchestration of Pictures At An Exhibition although there are many including one by Sir George Thomas (founder of the Proms)

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Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

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I wasn't sleeping, I was just resting my eyes. LOL
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Gustav Holst wins for me, especially the Lorin Maazel version.
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Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

Gustav Holst wins for me, especially the Lorin Maazel version.

I've tried a few. I had one on Naxos (don't remember the ensemble) which was OK. But then I got two excellent ones: Bernstein-NYP (sony) and Levi-AtlantaSO(telarc). I love the work and saw it performed live recently by the Houston Symphony Orchestra under Hugo Graf. 

Peer Gynt is a great piece of simple music. One can't beat most of Grieg's little tunes and th orchestration is perfect. Solveig's song is just beautiful. 

I have never heard the complete incidental music though. As with Mendelsohn's "Midsummer Night Dream" incidental music, sometimes a narrator hurts the experience but a good version (Ozawa, BostonSO) shows the piece's real colors... 


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If you only had Grieg and Holst in your poll, I would have voted for Grieg, because Holst is also too post-romantic for my taste.
But as you have 'other' in the poll, it makes it more difficult. There are so many to mention.
Just the first ones, that come into my head:

Igor Stravinsky:
- Le sacre du printemps
- Histoire du soldat
- Petrushka
Sergej Prokofiev
- Lieutenant Kije Suite
- Romeo and Juliet
- Peter and the Wolf (already mentioned)
Zoltan Kodaly:  Hary Janos Suite
Bedřich Smetana: Má Vlast
Camille Saint-Saens: Carnival of the Animals
...
and of course (as already said) you should know the original:
Modest Mussorgsky: Pictures at an Exhibition (I like the original piano version more than the orchestrated version from Ravel, especially the one played by Vladimir Ashkenazy)
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