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The 80s: Dream Theater, Marillion, Swans
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Poll Question: Which of trhese realeased the best for you (favourite) album?
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    Posted: July 16 2023 at 12:54
This is the third part comparing Dream Theater, Marillion and Swans for a time period. The first was for 2010 up, the second for the 90s. and the third for the 80s.

Dream Theater only released one album in the 80s, When Dream and Day Unite (1989) but it has my favourite DT track with The Ytse Jam, which is to me very reminiscent of Spinal Tap's "Rock and Roll Creation". I genuinely love Spinal Tap, so comparing it to a parody band is not meant as insulting. I still prefer Spinal Tap's track. If Portnoy exploded in this performance, Ytse Jam would get more points





Once again I vote for Swans, and I vote for Children of God (1987). Note, this is about individual albums, can translate the question simply to one album you love and you think very strong, so please list the album -- for Marillion and Swans particularly. I would expect Marillion to take this by a wide margin, but I am more interested in the posts (I'm more of detail oriented person).

As a bonus, along with mentioning you choice of album, considering mentioning a track from it and maybe post a video or two as I like this to be something of a journey of discovery and re-discover, and I am interested to hear what people particularly like.

I love all of Children of God, and I liker the contrasts between the song (especially with Gira nd Jarboe sung ones).

Here is a pretty and etheral Jarboe one i like from the album (this is one of those albums I do much more like to listen to in full, and one track will not give you the overall feel).
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Definitely Marillion, since this accounts for all of the Fish albums Smile

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Marillion
All the Fish' stuff +   Season's end issued end 1989)
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Which album and song would you be most likely to recommend to people with eclectic tastes, or not just for those into Neo-Prog, pop rock and or melodic Prog? I am hoping for us to educate each other a bit. I would like to hear some of Marillions most experimental or out there music. The thing about Prog is that it it commonly is so eclectic so often one can find specific music to fit a wide variety of tastes. I might like Marillion at its most psychedelic and or Krautrocky if it explored either of those avenues much.. okay, I don’t expect muck Krautrock in Marillion.

The idea of this poll is to highlight a specific album, even if one like lots, as I think narrowing down can help with discovery and conversation.

Edited by Logan - July 16 2023 at 14:38
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love all three bands but this poll idea is bizarre (voted Marillion)
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I would like to hear some of Marillions most experimental or out there music.
 
Yeah. I only have two Marillion albums: "Script For A Jester's Tear" and the compilation "Six Of One, Half-Dozen Of The Other", which sound too much like Genesis for my musical interest. However, recently I have been curious about whether their more recent albums have moved away from retro-prog and toward something I might find interesting. Any recommendations?
 
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Marillion
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Marillion.
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Marillion gets the nod.
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Which album and song would you be most likely to recommend to people with eclectic tastes, or not just for those into Neo-Prog, pop rock and or melodic Prog?

Hehe... You're actually asking us to suggest Marillion songs that don't sound like Marillion. I think that 80s Marillion epitomises what Neo-Prog was in that period, and I don't think that Marillion and experimental are words that go together well. In the 90s they tried hard sometimes not to sound like themselves, but it didn't make their music better.
In the 80s Marillion was my second preferred band of all and I still very much like most of the Neo-Prog of that period. I'd rather consider Neo-Prog that music of the 80s and would call what came after - and what is put here under that umbrella - AOP...

My favourite album of theirs remains for me Script for a Jester's Tear, but their most "experimental" track is maybe Grendel (much derided because many thought it was a weak attempt to do some new Supper's Ready, but personally I prefer Grendel over that Genesis track). From their 80s output I suggest two tracks that you may like more or less, and if you don't, well then don't bother exploring Marillion further.

From Script... Forgotten Sons:



I could add the title track from Fugazi, or The Last Straw from Clutching at Straws as a couple of other wonderful tracks, but I'll let you eventually explore them yourself if you wished.
The album Season's End was the first with Hogarth (a very worthy replacement when you listen to his singing on this album!) and in my opinion it set somehow the blue-print of the Marillion sound they adopted after some of those errands of the 90s (but some real Marillion fans may contradict me here).

From Season's End, The Space:



I still like what Marillion does nowadays, though my only regret is that, from album to album, there is not much change and when things become more of the same I loose my interest.

BTW, regarding 80s Neo-Prog, you might be more interested in Twelfth Night - they were the most quirky of the lot...


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Marillion due to the albums with Fish.
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Marillion easily specially with Fish albums
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Marillion easily.
I love Seasons End and Fugazi is also brilliant. The other 3 albums with Fish are very good.
Dream Theater bore me to tears. Not bad, just prog by numbers.
I'd rather stick pins in my eyeballs than listen to Swans.
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Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

...I'd rather stick pins in my eyeballs than listen to Swans.


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I voted Dream Theater, never liked early Marillion (boring without Fish, boring+cringy with Fish), haven't heard any Swans album of the 80s. That leaves the DT debut, which I think is quite solid.

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I actually tried to leave a little longer reply here yesterday, but it's nowhere to be seen: so Swans for Children of God alone.
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Marillion
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Sawns is just TOO underrated.
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