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jean-marie
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Posted: July 03 2011 at 18:25 |
Plays Live should be a real Legacy, More songs+ Peter performing live, on stage, it's where he's did his best, Gabriel seems to be one of the few who turned Pop Music more theatrical
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DaniMoon
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Posted: July 03 2011 at 20:00 |
@ jean-marie Agreed, Plays Live contains more songs and confirms Gabriel's artistic genius.
I read somewhere that Phil Collins didn't like Gabriel's theatrics on stage.  I enjoy watching the old Genesis videos on YouTube, especially Gabriel's outrageous costumes! YouTube has the early 1970s Genesis concerts of Dancing With the Moonlit Knight, Supper's Ready, Musical Box, and more. They're amazing to watch.
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Garion81
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Posted: July 03 2011 at 21:55 |
DaniMoon wrote:
@ jean-marieAgreed, Plays Live contains more songs and confirms Gabriel's artistic genius.
I read somewhere that Phil Collins didn't like Gabriel's theatrics on stage.  I enjoy watching the old Genesis videos on YouTube, especially Gabriel's outrageous costumes! YouTube has the early 1970s Genesis concerts of Dancing With the Moonlit Knight, Supper's Ready, Musical Box, and more. They're amazing to watch. |
God how these things get blown out of proportion and simplified. I spent yesterday running through all the interviews on the 70-75 and 76-82 remaster box sets and what Phil had to say about Peter's theatrics and costumes was it was great until during the Lamb tour it became a detriment. Specifically he called the Lambia and Slipperman costumes detrimental to the music that Peter could not get the microphone set to his mouth or was so out of breath he could not sing. Those were his objections. .
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jean-marie
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Posted: July 04 2011 at 03:45 |
I saw Peter tour in France at the time and i had great time
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DaniMoon
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Posted: July 04 2011 at 11:02 |
You're fortunate to have seen Peter Gabriel perform live back then. What a thrill that must have been!
Peter's getting good reviews for his 2011 New Blood concerts. Although the music is much more mellow, his voice still shines.
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lazland
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Posted: July 04 2011 at 14:26 |
Garion81 wrote:
DaniMoon wrote:
@ jean-marieAgreed, Plays Live contains more songs and confirms Gabriel's artistic genius.
I read somewhere that Phil Collins didn't like Gabriel's theatrics on stage.  I enjoy watching the old Genesis videos on YouTube, especially Gabriel's outrageous costumes! YouTube has the early 1970s Genesis concerts of Dancing With the Moonlit Knight, Supper's Ready, Musical Box, and more. They're amazing to watch. |
God how these things get blown out of proportion and simplified. I spent yesterday running through all the interviews on the 70-75 and 76-82 remaster box sets and what Phil had to say about Peter's theatrics and costumes was it was great until during the Lamb tour it became a detriment. Specifically he called the Lambia and Slipperman costumes detrimental to the music that Peter could not get the microphone set to his mouth or was so out of breath he could not sing. Those were his objections. . |
That's absolutely spot on. It was the theatrics getting in the way of the music, not the theatrics per se that Collins, and the rest actually, objected to.
Gabriel also acknowledges the problem in his interviews, although he generally put a lot of it down to the fact that he had had to grow up following the difficult birth of his first child, whilst the rest were still a bunch of spotty faced kids (I ad lib a bit, but you get the picture).
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Garion81
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Posted: July 04 2011 at 15:23 |
^ They all admit they were very callous to Peter and his family during that period of time. Something they would have never been today. Just youth and and lack of compassion. Peter agreed with Phil costumes during the Lamb tour did interfere and that was one reason he recorded the vocals on the Box set liver version of the Lamb. He also admitted he never ran any of the costumes by the rest of them he just went out and did them because if he held it up for debate he would have lost every time.
More on topic Peter said something else very interesting that he spent 12 years removing the ex-genesis label that he wasn't really ready to put it back on. They all related to the arguments that went on with Tony, Pete and Mike. Phil and Steve both were a bit bewildered by the relationships between them. Peter said listening to the remixes that he would remember arguments of why something was placed or sounded the way it did and I thought he was saying this took away his enjoyment of the music. Kinda sad but I guess when you are that close to it it must be hard to separate yourself.
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Posted: July 04 2011 at 15:53 |
I think 3 and 4 are probably Gabriel's best and most complete works, start to finish. However, Up, to me, is the album which best represents him. While most artists start to repeat themselves or struggle to keep the creative juices flowing as they age, Gabriel released his most detailed and developed album in his 50s. Up is dark, subtle, and features some of the best musical and lyrical themes of his career.
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DaniMoon
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Posted: July 04 2011 at 20:16 |
@Garion81 I'm loving your fascinating tidbits about Genesis, thanks for sharing and keeping the facts straight.
@RogueHorseman Good point on Gabriel's UP album. The lyrics overall are brilliant, thoughtful. They seem to reflect his past, present and future. The Drop for instance is about death, the last great mystery. He's waiting to parachute out of a plane (symbolic), he's watching the people who have died before him disappearing through the clouds. Is there an afterlife, will we see our family and friends again, or will we just vanish into nothingness.
Gabriel should win songwriter of the century award.
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Posted: July 04 2011 at 21:46 |
Thank you Danimoon Although I am just reflecting what they say. I would suggest anyone who likes Genesis to watch those interviews on the box sets. I really feel this was their book for lack of better words to close the door on all of this. Somethings said maybe rashly in earlier days are washed over by an extreme respect for the music and each other.
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hobocamp
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Posted: July 07 2011 at 21:33 |
Up. The album that inspired me to look back to his contributions in Genesis. Glad I did.
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three dot, a trinity, a way to map the universe,
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DaniMoon
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Posted: July 08 2011 at 00:07 |
The UP album ~ a summation of life.
One dot, that's on or off, defines what is and what is not, one dot. Two dot, a pair of eyes, a voice, a touch, complete surprise, two dot.
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jean-marie
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Posted: July 08 2011 at 08:43 |
No one talks about US ? great album though, just look at the sleeve cover, you know what it's about before having a listening
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Negoba
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Posted: July 08 2011 at 09:14 |
Supper's Ready, Moonlit Knight, The Lamb, Solsbury Hill, 3+4, So, Passion+US, Up
Each of those reflects a different section of his history and he'll be remembered for all of them to some degree.
But the So album is a cultural icon for my generation. So many aspects of that album are tied with who we were. The videos, Say Anything, the sheer beauty of it.
Those a decade older than me will have to comment how pervasive the prog-era Genesis was on culture.
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esky
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Posted: July 08 2011 at 11:17 |
jean-marie wrote:
No one talks about US ? great album though, just look at the sleeve cover, you know what it's about before having a listening |
It's not his best music, but US was where Mr. Gabriel brought it all around artistically. Good songwriting right from the start, full of wit as well as worry. Enjoyable vids to boot (one for Kiss That Frog was even exhibited in a special viewing trailer in the U.S. at the time of the album).
As for live performances, anyone who was there will tell you tours backing his first two albums were the most special. By the time of Plays Live, Gabriel had evolved into a silly, prancing twit who should have just stood still and sung the oldies. I did like his singing of a Randy Newman song in that pig movie as well as his performance of Imagine at the 2006 Winter Olympics.
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jean-marie
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Posted: July 08 2011 at 12:08 |
Was at the plays live tour in Paris at the time and enjoyed it very much, later got the two dvd Growing up live and Secret World live , Great artist.......Gabriel is realy special and i love the way he got old
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jean-marie
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Posted: July 08 2011 at 12:13 |
Forgot to tell i saw Peter on stage just after he released his first album at the fete de l'humanite (late seventies) Phil was there too with Brand x
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Posted: July 08 2011 at 15:40 |
PG - remarkable man. trendsetter in many ways.
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Posted: July 09 2011 at 17:11 |
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*Cough* *Cough Cough* Marillion *Cough* |
In a pig's eye!
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DaniMoon
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Posted: July 09 2011 at 18:00 |
Let's stray from the topic for a moment and put the pig's eye to the test. I'll start . . 
My top 5 progressive bands:
1. Genesis 70's era 2. Pink Floyd 3. King Crimson 4. Marillion 5. Emerson, Lake & Palmer
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