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debrewguy
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Topic: Umphrey's McGee complimented Posted: March 20 2009 at 08:05 |
Example of foresight ? you decide ...
as quoted from Bob Lefsetz email newsletter
From: Adit Rao Subject: A Serious Inquiry
Dear Bob,
I've been
reading your blog with great interest over the past few months. My friend Joel
Cummins, who plays in a band called Umphrey's McGhee recommended I pay attention
to what you had to say. He's actually a poster child for the mindset/approach
which you promote in your writings.
It's a semi-interesting story
actually: About 10 years ago, as college freshmen, Joel and I took two separate
paths: he remained in Chicago and began touring with his band locally. I moved
to LA and pursued a record deal. Years later, it's pretty clear which one of us
made the right decision. His band does about 150 shows a year (sometimes to
festival crowds). They're not millionaires, but their company is a sustainable
enterprise which supports the livelihoods of about a dozen guys (including their
crew). Pretty impressive. My bands on the other hand, have floundered around
the southwestern U.S., worn thru a couple of rotten experiences with labels, and
disintegrated when our morale was destroyed. Joel wasn't a prophet... he simply
played music which labels didn't care for (Jamband stuff). So they were forced
to take a grass-roots approach from the start. And as it turned out-- they were
way ahead of the curve. I'm very proud of them.
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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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chopper
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Posted: March 20 2009 at 08:33 |
Well you can't argue with the facts as the Umphrey's McGee model has worked for them, although it's only up to a point. I do believe that the traditional record label could well die out as a result of the Internet and downloading (whether legal or not). The question is - can bands become millionaires by adopting this model or not?
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debrewguy
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Posted: March 20 2009 at 08:41 |
If that's their short term goal, then they might as well stay home. Umphree's Mghee has built a career. They may even be millionaires by now, but if not, it would seem that they have been able to maintain an acceptable level of income to continue playing music.
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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: March 20 2009 at 09:49 |
chopper wrote:
Well you can't argue with the facts as the Umphrey's McGee model has worked for them, although it's only up to a point. I do believe that the traditional record label could well die out as a result of the Internet and downloading (whether legal or not). The question is - can bands become millionaires by adopting this model or not? |
The question for me is do bands really need to become millionaires? And what's wrong with just making a decent living, anyway? Weren't bands more often making others millionaires than themselves so why should we shed a tear for the traditional record labels either?
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Negoba
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Posted: March 20 2009 at 10:15 |
I'm glad I'm seeing them in a week!!!!
I agree that bands don't need to be millionairres, just make a decent living and be able to keep playing music.
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: March 20 2009 at 11:48 |
debrewguy wrote:
Example of foresight ? you decide ...
as quoted from Bob Lefsetz email newsletter
From: Adit Rao Subject: A Serious Inquiry
Dear Bob,
I've been
reading your blog with great interest over the past few months. My friend Joel
Cummins, who plays in a band called Umphrey's McGhee recommended I pay attention
to what you had to say. He's actually a poster child for the mindset/approach
which you promote in your writings.
It's a semi-interesting story
actually: About 10 years ago, as college freshmen, Joel and I took two separate
paths: he remained in Chicago and began touring with his band locally. I moved
to LA and pursued a record deal. Years later, it's pretty clear which one of us
made the right decision. His band does about 150 shows a year (sometimes to
festival crowds). They're not millionaires, but their company is a sustainable
enterprise which supports the livelihoods of about a dozen guys (including their
crew). Pretty impressive. My bands on the other hand, have floundered around
the southwestern U.S., worn thru a couple of rotten experiences with labels, and
disintegrated when our morale was destroyed. Joel wasn't a prophet... he simply
played music which labels didn't care for (Jamband stuff). So they were forced
to take a grass-roots approach from the start. And as it turned out-- they were
way ahead of the curve. I'm very proud of them.
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I think that when bands make bad experiences with labels it's usually due to incompatible business goals ... what's good for the label isn't necessarily good for the band. So my advice to any band would be to try to record, produce and promote their music themselves. Thanks to the internet and today's advances in audio/production technology, it's quite possible!
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debrewguy
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Posted: March 20 2009 at 20:14 |
The only need a label can fill is distribution. The rest should be doable by the band. Financing, managing, recording, touring, all are in reach of the musician. You answer to yourself. And if you're lucky, and luck plays a big role, you find, build, and maintain a sufficient fanbase to work at a job you love - making music.
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mr.cub
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Posted: March 20 2009 at 21:46 |
Negoba wrote:
I'm glad I'm seeing them in a week!!!!
I agree that bands don't need to be millionairres, just make a decent living and be able to keep playing music. |
Likewise I'm seeing them two weeks from tomorow. Also feel that if a band plays at a high level, they will gain an audience
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darkshade
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Posted: March 25 2009 at 10:55 |
seein them april 11. shold be awesome.
i always wondered if it's harder to sustain a band financially when theres more members than less. i guess they do fine. their popularity seems to grow everyday
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: March 29 2009 at 02:12 |
chopper wrote:
Well you can't argue with the facts as the Umphrey's McGee model has worked for them, although it's only up to a point. I do believe that the traditional record label could well die out as a result of the Internet and downloading (whether legal or not). The question is - can bands become millionaires by adopting this model or not? |
Bands will be fairly valued by this model. UM is the second best underground band out there and their unusual marketing approach has served them well. Not every band could do this, however.
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darkshade
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Posted: March 29 2009 at 11:04 |
ghost_of_morphy wrote:
UM is the second best underground band out there
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whos #1?
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