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Poll Question: Should Boston be given a spot in prog related?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2007 at 08:25
So, what are we Collabs? just the general clergy? I'd like to get to be at least a bishop, seen as I can't be one in the real Catholic ChurchLOL..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2007 at 08:11
^ yes, but we get to write the Bible


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2007 at 08:09
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

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Not really.

It's a bit like the Catholic Church and God. The Admin Team is The Pope and Cardinals and Max is God LOL
 Similarily God has chosen not to speak for the last two thousand years...Wink




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cheers Tony....

but note... that is part of the problem we have...  there is no established ...definitive word on this.  One of the admins posted what I said ^^ in another thread not more than a couple of weeks ago.  It leads to very confused little collabs LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2007 at 07:58
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Raff... isn't offical site policy.. handed down from the hand of M@X..  


Not really.

It's a bit like the Catholic Church and God. The Admin Team is The Pope and Cardinals and Max is God LOL
 Similarily God has chosen not to speak for the last two thousand years...Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2007 at 07:55
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

this is why I like Admin dealing with PR... i think it's a relief for Collabs to not carry this burden, and can settle things cleanly after a healthy debate








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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2007 at 07:54
this is why I like Admin dealing with PR... i think it's a relief for Collabs to not carry this burden, and can settle things cleanly after a healthy debate






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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2007 at 07:53
Originally posted by darqdean darqdean wrote:

Originally posted by Casartelli Casartelli wrote:

I'm still waiting for my vote, because I still have the open question which part of an artist's discography should be prog (related) to be included in our beloved archives resp. in the PR category of our beloved archives.
There is no definitive answer to that because PR is the most subjective of categories.
 
You can look through the exisiting list of PR bands and see artists who have 1, 2 or even 3 100% Prog albums along side others who have none.
 
It is difficult enough attempting to quantify Progness, so Prog-relatedness is even more of an impossible notion to quantify.
 
However, for me a PR artist must have at least one album where a degree of relatedness to prog can be shown (ie. I mean more than just one song...)
Thanks, that seems sensible. Judging at at least one prog-related album I think Toto would qualify, where Boston would not.
 
But perhaps we informally have other criteria as well, like being more reluctant on adding 'big' general rock bands (like the mentioned Boston, Toto, Journey, etc. etc.) compared to the band with the more obscure prog parts (Talk talk, The Church, Split Enz, etc. etc.)?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2007 at 07:52
Originally posted by Casartelli Casartelli wrote:

Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

I am afraid the problem is just that... There are lots of bands or artists who have recorded a few prog songs, or even a whole album, though they are generally known for a rather different kind of musical output. There are lots of such cases in the history of Italian pop music, especially since in the Seventies prog was such a big phenomenon in my country.

Personally, I think the only solution to the problem would be allowing for single-album entries instead of having to add whole discographies which, in far too many cases, have nothing whatsoever to do with prog. However, it seems the idea is not very popular, so I'm afraid we'll keep on seeing threads like this one for a long, long time.
You have a point there, I know such a band as well. What was their name again... damn, can't find it. But they had some hits called "I can't dance", "Hold on my heart" and "Land of confusion".


hahahhahaha....  yeah... whoever the hell that group was... someone told me they actually did some albums in the 70's that no one outside of the occasional old geezer actually know LOL   They are known to EVERYONE outside of us.. as AOR.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2007 at 07:46
Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

I am afraid the problem is just that... There are lots of bands or artists who have recorded a few prog songs, or even a whole album, though they are generally known for a rather different kind of musical output. There are lots of such cases in the history of Italian pop music, especially since in the Seventies prog was such a big phenomenon in my country.

Personally, I think the only solution to the problem would be allowing for single-album entries instead of having to add whole discographies which, in far too many cases, have nothing whatsoever to do with prog. However, it seems the idea is not very popular, so I'm afraid we'll keep on seeing threads like this one for a long, long time.
You have a point there, I know such a band as well. What was their name again... damn, can't find it. But they had some hits called "I can't dance", "Hold on my heart" and "Land of confusion".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2007 at 07:46
Raff... isn't offical site policy.. handed down from the hand of M@X..  that if a group DID a prog album.. they should be added  here.   

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2007 at 07:45
Originally posted by Casartelli Casartelli wrote:

I'm still waiting for my vote, because I still have the open question which part of an artist's discography should be prog (related) to be included in our beloved archives resp. in the PR category of our beloved archives.
There is no definitive answer to that because PR is the most subjective of categories.
 
You can look through the exisiting list of PR bands and see artists who have 1, 2 or even 3 100% Prog albums along side others who have none.
 
It is difficult enough attempting to quantify Progness, so Prog-relatedness is even more of an impossible notion to quantify.
 
However, for me a PR artist must have at least one album where a degree of relatedness to prog can be shown (ie. I mean more than just one song...)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2007 at 07:43
I am afraid the problem is just that... There are lots of bands or artists who have recorded a few prog songs, or even a whole album, though they are generally known for a rather different kind of musical output. There are lots of such cases in the history of Italian pop music, especially since in the Seventies prog was such a big phenomenon in my country.

Personally, I think the only solution to the problem would be allowing for single-album entries instead of having to add whole discographies which, in far too many cases, have nothing whatsoever to do with prog. However, it seems the idea is not very popular, so I'm afraid we'll keep on seeing threads like this one for a long, long time.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2007 at 07:42
oh Tony...I know that PA's often comes up first in the list of google hits... my point is .... is it worth it to add a band just for the ability to bring new fans here... and let's face it.. I don't think there are THAT many hahahha. That was the point I tried to make.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2007 at 07:40
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

The answer is rather simple but opinions make it vague.


I personally am happy to vote to include "non-Prog" bands which have the following criteria:

1. They have been heavily influenced by Prog Rock in a way that can be demonstrated via documentary evidence or obvious traits in their music.



back on topic....  I think there is enough in that to at least have you all consider Boston... it isn't particularly important.. and I don't buy the idea that their are masses of Boston fans skulking the web looking for sites where they might find Boston and might find this site LOL. .


You are very wrong on this Micky. If they are doing a specific search for album info then they will get here.

I just did a search for Secret Treaties by BOC and Progarchives came up on the first page..

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=blue+oyster+cult+%2Bsecret+treaties&btnG=Search

soLOL back at ya pal..Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2007 at 07:31
^ hahahha... agreed.. let's not... .one fire at a time...LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2007 at 07:29
I'm still waiting for my vote, because I still have the open question which part of an artist's discography should be prog (related) to be included in our beloved archives resp. in the PR category of our beloved archives.
I'm almost sure about a No, because I think one song on five albums (Foreplay / Long Time) is not enough, but I insist on the fact that Toto is a more interesting discussion.
Europe would also be fair for some stuff from their debut (Seven doors hotel, for example), whether you like it or not... but let's not go into that. Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2007 at 07:26
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

The answer is rather simple but opinions make it vague.


I personally am happy to vote to include "non-Prog" bands which have the following criteria:

1. They have been heavily influenced by Prog Rock in a way that can be demonstrated via documentary evidence or obvious traits in their music.



back on topic....  I think there is enough in that to at least have you all consider Boston... it isn't particularly important.. and I don't buy the idea that their are masses of Boston fans skulking the web looking for sites where they might find Boston and might find this site LOL.  But for a sense of completeness...  and a nice way of showing how the popularity of prog on college campuses.. especially on the east coast really did influence up and coming bands.. like Boston in the early to mid 70's.  The same rationale that was used for Zeppelin... just how big prog was for a short time... it's influence hit the biggest of groups.. and those groups just getting started.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2007 at 07:24
I think it is fair to say that this thread proves Boston are of interest to Prog Rock fans; certainly people contributing to this thread appear to have an encyclopaedic knowledge of the band and all its albums.Wink So from that viewpoint they qualify.


My own personal impression is that they make well-crafted, intelligent rock music that has a broad appeal but I cannot see the link to Prog or how their inclusion would be of benefit other than the fact that they obviously have many fans who might get drawn here by via a search engine. Is that a good enough reason to include? It might be great for advertising revenue but on all other levels I would be opposed to their inclusion.





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2007 at 07:15
thanks for the thoughts  Tony.... I think we all tire of these kinds of threads every time a group like this comes along.   It would have been nice to have people express their opinions... their reasons for thinking the way they do...and just leave it at that.  Not try to spend pages convincing people that they are right.. and you are wrong.  the music is too subjective to ever.... ever .. change anyone's mind.   In the process.. people get amped up..and it turns personal.  Always has.. always will. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2007 at 06:59
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

They are the icons of AOR, that disqualifies them, it's just better POP than the average but nothing more, no way they should be added.
 
Iván


Whilst I am certainly not convinced Boston should be here, I wonder how being mainstream can disqualify a band from being included here.
Genesis were THE icons of AOR for over a decade, certainly far longer than they were the darlings of the Prog scene.
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