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Raff ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24439 |
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So, what are we Collabs? just the general clergy? I'd like to get to be at least a bishop, seen as I can't be one in the real Catholic Church
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65864 |
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^ yes, but we get to write the Bible
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46843 |
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hahahhahahhaha... I love it ![]() cheers Tony.... but note... that is part of the problem we have... there is no established ...definitive word on this. One of the admins posted what I said ^^ in another thread not more than a couple of weeks ago. It leads to very confused little collabs ![]() |
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Tony R ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: July 16 2004 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 11985 |
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Not really. It's a bit like the Catholic Church and God. The Admin Team is The Pope and Cardinals and Max is God ![]() Similarily God has chosen not to speak for the last two thousand years... ![]() |
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46843 |
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65864 |
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this is why I like Admin dealing with PR... i think it's a relief for Collabs to not carry this burden, and can settle things cleanly after a healthy debate
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Casartelli ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 17 2006 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 401 |
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Thanks, that seems sensible. Judging at at least one prog-related album I think Toto would qualify, where Boston would not.
But perhaps we informally have other criteria as well, like being more reluctant on adding 'big' general rock bands (like the mentioned Boston, Toto, Journey, etc. etc.) compared to the band with the more obscure prog parts (Talk talk, The Church, Split Enz, etc. etc.)?
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46843 |
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hahahhahaha.... yeah... whoever the hell that group was... someone told me they actually did some albums in the 70's that no one outside of the occasional old geezer actually know ![]() |
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Casartelli ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 17 2006 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 401 |
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You have a point there, I know such a band as well. What was their name again... damn, can't find it. But they had some hits called "I can't dance", "Hold on my heart" and "Land of confusion".
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46843 |
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Raff... isn't offical site policy.. handed down from the hand of
M@X.. that if a group DID a prog album.. they should be added here.
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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There is no definitive answer to that because PR is the most subjective of categories.
You can look through the exisiting list of PR bands and see artists who have 1, 2 or even 3 100% Prog albums along side others who have none.
It is difficult enough attempting to quantify Progness, so Prog-relatedness is even more of an impossible notion to quantify.
However, for me a PR artist must have at least one album where a degree of relatedness to prog can be shown (ie. I mean more than just one song...)
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What?
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Raff ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24439 |
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I am afraid the problem is just that... There are lots of bands or artists who have recorded a few prog songs, or even a whole album, though they are generally known for a rather different kind of musical output. There are lots of such cases in the history of Italian pop music, especially since in the Seventies prog was such a big phenomenon in my country.
Personally, I think the only solution to the problem would be allowing for single-album entries instead of having to add whole discographies which, in far too many cases, have nothing whatsoever to do with prog. However, it seems the idea is not very popular, so I'm afraid we'll keep on seeing threads like this one for a long, long time. |
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46843 |
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oh Tony...I know that PA's often comes up first in the list of google
hits... my point is .... is it worth it to add a band just for the
ability to bring new fans here... and let's face it.. I don't think
there are THAT many hahahha. That was the point I tried to make.
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Tony R ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: July 16 2004 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 11985 |
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You are very wrong on this Micky. If they are doing a specific search for album info then they will get here. I just did a search for Secret Treaties by BOC and Progarchives came up on the first page.. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=blue+oyster+cult+%2Bsecret+treaties&btnG=Search so ![]() ![]() |
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46843 |
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^ hahahha... agreed.. let's not... .one fire at a time...
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Casartelli ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 17 2006 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 401 |
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I'm still waiting for my vote, because I still have the open question which part of an artist's discography should be prog (related) to be included in our beloved archives resp. in the PR category of our beloved archives.
I'm almost sure about a No, because I think one song on five albums (Foreplay / Long Time) is not enough, but I insist on the fact that Toto is a more interesting discussion.
Europe would also be fair for some stuff from their debut (Seven doors hotel, for example), whether you like it or not... but let's not go into that.
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46843 |
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back on topic.... I think there is enough in that to at least have you all consider Boston... it isn't particularly important.. and I don't buy the idea that their are masses of Boston fans skulking the web looking for sites where they might find Boston and might find this site ![]() Edited by micky - November 13 2007 at 07:27 |
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Tony R ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: July 16 2004 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 11985 |
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I think it is fair to say that this thread proves Boston are of interest to Prog Rock fans; certainly people contributing to this thread appear to have an encyclopaedic knowledge of the band and all its albums.
![]() My own personal impression is that they make well-crafted, intelligent rock music that has a broad appeal but I cannot see the link to Prog or how their inclusion would be of benefit other than the fact that they obviously have many fans who might get drawn here by via a search engine. Is that a good enough reason to include? It might be great for advertising revenue but on all other levels I would be opposed to their inclusion. Edited by Tony R - November 13 2007 at 07:25 |
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46843 |
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thanks for the thoughts Tony.... I think we all tire of these kinds of threads every
time a group like this comes along. It would have been nice to
have people express their opinions... their reasons for thinking the
way they do...and just leave it at that. Not try to spend pages
convincing people that they are right.. and you are wrong. the
music is too subjective to ever.... ever .. change anyone's mind.
In the process.. people get amped up..and it turns
personal. Always has.. always will.
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Tony R ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: July 16 2004 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 11985 |
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Whilst I am certainly not convinced Boston should be here, I wonder how being mainstream can disqualify a band from being included here. Genesis were THE icons of AOR for over a decade, certainly far longer than they were the darlings of the Prog scene. |
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