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    Posted: February 21 2011 at 08:59
No, I'm not talking about that main stream crap that you'll hear if you turn on the radio. I'm talking about a great blending of samples that make a beat to rap to. Some hip hop doesn't even have any "rap" to it, believe it or not. Just give this artist a listen. I doubt you've ever heard of him so just give it a try. And it actually is somewhat progressive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUwRGPxCG_Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7pF6_PeamU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGJP_eI3j_g


The reason I'm doing this is because a lot of people on this site believe all hip hop is terrible but... maybe you'll change your mind if give this a listen. Cool
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2011 at 10:45
Maybe it's good, maybe it's bad, maybe it's "progressive". But why would you be qualified to call anything "real"? Confused
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2011 at 11:41
Many of these  artists will mix samples of "real" music but the problem is it isn't actually  played live. It probably could be but that's not really how hip hop works.  Sometimes artists will add their own instrumentation to the samples they've taken and the music they've mixed. But if you asking if notes are computer generated then the answer is no.

So I would say it is real music not very playable 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2011 at 11:48
Oh and I forgot to add this. In the title "Real Hip Hop" I say the word Real because what I explained is the actually definition of "hip hop". I also say real because what most people think is hip hop isn't.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2011 at 12:13
Check out Dayton Family, Esham, Gang Starr for excellence.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2011 at 12:15

Your knowledge of hip hop is very lacking I think.

For one, does hip hop have to use live instrumentation to be "real". What is music? Is it not just the arrangement of sounds? If that's true then how does hip hop cease being music because it uses samples? It may be using sounds produced by other musicians, but those sounds are often deconstructed and rearranged to become something new. A turntable is very much a musical instrument, it's still a tool used for producing and arranging sounds.
 
Furthermore hip hop and rap are not mutually exclusive. Hip hop doesn't need rapping, DJ Shadow and Madlib are identified as hip hop even though what they do is instrumental.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2011 at 12:16
f**k the police is a real hip-hop song , i like it LOL




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2011 at 12:17
Also ganga starr jazz rap is great



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2011 at 12:28
Originally posted by boo boo boo boo wrote:

Your knowledge of hip hop is very lacking I think.

For one, does hip hop have to use live instrumentation to be "real". What is music? Is it not just the arrangement of sounds? If that's true then how does hip hop cease being music because it uses samples? It may be using sounds produced by other musicians, but those sounds are often deconstructed and rearranged to become something new. A turntable is very much a musical instrument, it's still a tool used for producing and arranging sounds.
 
Furthermore hip hop and rap are not mutually exclusive. Hip hop doesn't need rapping, DJ Shadow and Madlib are identified as hip hop even though what they do is instrumental.
Of course it doesn't have to be played  live. I was just trying to interpret what The T meant by is it "real". And the instrumental hip hop is what I'm trying to show people. Did you look at the links? Those songs are made up of samples and are instrumental for the most part.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2011 at 18:06
There is alot of great hip hop out there, i agree. Most of the great hip hop artists these days are on independent labes( underground hip hop ) .
 
Here are some great hip hop groups i have been enjoying lately:
 
Felt ( Slug & Murs )
Madvillian ( Madlib & MF Doom )
Giant Panda
Crown City Rockers
Sound Providers
 
some classics i enjoy:
 
Pete Rock & C.L. Smooth
A Tribe Called Quest
Gang Starr (  already mentioned )
Digable Planets
De La Soul
Common
Black Star
Somewhere out of a memory of lighted streets on quiet nights...


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2011 at 22:53
Originally posted by boo boo boo boo wrote:

DJ Shadow
This guy's immense knowledge of countless types of music from years of record hunting makes for some pretty good sample based music, imo.
 
I think he once bought this record from me on ebay, a generic Chinese psychedelic-funk thing;
 
 
He got lucky, he only paid $30 based on my description of it. When I finally found another copy and posted sound samples it sold for $230! Smile 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 24 2011 at 16:55
If you're looking for innovative Hip Hop Curse ov Dialect is probably one the greatest discoveries you can make. Then there's Deltron 3030, Dälek, Gravediggaz, The Coup, Soul-Junk, Wu-Tang Clan, Sage Francis, Divine Styler, Jedi Mind Tricks, MF DOOM.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 24 2011 at 23:50
Originally posted by Xanatos Xanatos wrote:

f**k the police is a real hip-hop song , i like it LOL






I like it.
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