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    Posted: November 03 2023 at 16:05
I'm not looking for Jazz or Blues, what are the earliest Prog Rock epics, the earliest one I can think of that fits this, is "In Held Twas In I", and perhaps "In-A-Gada-Da-Vida" if one could doubt that. Any others that come to mind?
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The Nice- Ars Longa Vita Brevis was released the same week as In Held Twas In I


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I'd throw in 'A very cellular song' (13mins 9 secs) by the Incredible String Band off of the lp 'The hangman's beautiful daughter' recorded December 1967, released March 1968. Maybe too folky, too Psychy but it really influenced a lot of Progressive music that came after.

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We've been down this topic before.

Zappa - Lumpy Gravy (1967) was one.
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Top 50 Prog Epics

01. 5 stars 1972: Genesis - Supper's Ready - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVyfj7-mHqs
02. 4 stars 1974: YES - The Gates of Delirium / Soon - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJRVBQtKltM
03. 4 stars 1972: Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAt1b21S97k
04. 5 stars 1971: Pink Floyd - Echoes - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGwPSPIhohk
05. 5 stars 2011: Phideaux - Snowtorch - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8Fx6uaCX4A
06. 4 stars 1973: YES - The Revealing Science of God - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIfAbQVkR3E
07. 5 stars 1973: Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXatvzWAzLU
08. 5 stars 1972: YES - Close to the Edge - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcDU-vilgic
09. 2 stars 1972: Van der Graaf Generator - A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-TXKdoi8WQ
10. 5 stars 1977: YES - Awaken - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDXccU0xgNo
11. 5 stars 1974: Focus - Hamburger Concerto - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WMJsozf9eU
12. 5 stars 2010: Neograss - The Sea of Tranquility - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLq172JyO0s
13. 3 stars 1974: Mike Oldfield - Hergest Ridge - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YCs_GkkWUg
14. 5 stars 1975: Renaissance - Song of Scheherazade - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baLPlJ9sQiA
15. 4 stars 1974: Todd Rundgren's Utopia - The Ikon - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeFkydP5PFs
16. 3 stars 1972: Supersister - Pudding en Gisteren - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmzSWGkQ868
17. 4 stars 1968: Procol Harum - In Held Twas I - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Klon0T5zbgY
18. 5 stars 1971: Caravan - Nine Feet Underground - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVR8lbbNBAo
19. 4 stars 1973: YES - The Remembering - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBRfpeYU-a8
20. 4 stars 2010: Motorpsycho - Gullible's Travails - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riMqJIvRSsg
21. 4 stars 2005: Phideaux - Chupacabras - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWxAjWrEtFU
22. 4 stars 2011: Brighteye Brison - The Rise of Brighteye Brison - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPRv8vJa7Bw
23. 4 stars 2011: Haken - Visions - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSyfvnF5pps
24. 4 stars 2009: Big Big Train - The Underfall Yard - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHB1AXYY9co
25. 4 stars 2002: Echolynn - Mei - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYD6sm-YoZ0
26. 4 stars 1973: YES - The Ancient - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXUyrZBq3fM
27. 4 stars 2008: Moon Safari - Other Half of the Sky - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sEnjobgMZU
28. 4 stars 1973: YES - Ritual - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxBabdgGAbI
29. 5 stars 2008: Brighteye Brison - The Grand Event - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5BKfg_DMvE
30. 4 stars 2012: The Flower Kings - Numbers - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss7PYDicedA
31. 3 stars 2004: Magma - K.A. - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVqtqmrVbu4
32. 4 stars 1970: Pink Floyd - Atom Heart Mother - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6e0CED9A-Q
33. 4 stars 2005: Moon Safari - We Spin the World - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siCks7Nbjig
34. 5 stars 2011: Neograss - Atlantis - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHwEywDUqSU
35. 4 stars 2007: The Flower Kings - Love is the Only Answer - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N68VfE_x-jI
36. 5 stars 1971: Focus - Eruption - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OB5kMsOSWc
37. 5 stars 2013: Days Between Stations - In Extremis - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnX6bElfZ4w
38. 3 stars 2008: Motorpsycho - Little Lucid Moments - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajYEoLMFK_k
39. 3 stars 1975: Hatfield & the North - Mumps - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_MUajIs9Vs
40. 4 stars 1975: Clearlight - Clearlight Symphony - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2K-fx3uoeo
41. 5 stars 2008: Brighteye Brison - The Harvest - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdueeQagDl4
42. 5 stars 1975: Mike Oldfield - Ommadawn - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4WfWEBMFys
43. 3 stars 1970: Soft Machine - Out Bloody Rageous - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9O2lg1Jd6s
44. 4 stars 2010: Big Big Train - The Wide Open Sea - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sqWtIOv1g8
45. 4 stars 1980: The Alan Parsons Project - The Turn of a Friendly Card -  - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFNa5jVmJtU
46. 4 stars 1978: Mike Oldfield - Incantations - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0qrRmiFRWI
47. 3 stars 2009: Magma - Emehntehtt-Re - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymvZ9fMQGjQ
48. 4 stars 1997: YES - Mind Drive - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLLAJnmSfUY
49. 5 stars 1971: Earth and Fire - Song of the Marching Children - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FZ1q7UxviQ
50. 4 stars 1996: YES - That, That Is - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B8ZQMQcqfI
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Top 50 Prog Epics
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The list
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Hi,

The one thing that is really sad is that one band alone has 7 listings, and some of those things were not that great ... which means that a lot of things were left behind.

The above mentioned Incredible String Band, and one should also add Roy Harper, but sadly, wwe can only appreciate the stuff that has keyboards and the "expected" 4 instruments in rock music.

We should call that the TOP GROG EPICS, for folks that do not have enough ability to listen to anything else but their favorites!

So sad ... and we call this/ourselves "progressive".


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Roy Harper is a great call
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Top 50 Prog Epics

01. 5 stars 1972: Genesis - Supper's Ready - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVyfj7-mHqs
02. 4 stars 1974: YES - The Gates of Delirium / Soon - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJRVBQtKltM
03. 4 stars 1972: Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAt1b21S97k
04. 5 stars 1971: Pink Floyd - Echoes - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGwPSPIhohk
05. 5 stars 2011: Phideaux - Snowtorch - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8Fx6uaCX4A
06. 4 stars 1973: YES - The Revealing Science of God - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIfAbQVkR3E
07. 5 stars 1973: Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXatvzWAzLU
08. 5 stars 1972: YES - Close to the Edge - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcDU-vilgic
09. 2 stars 1972: Van der Graaf Generator - A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-TXKdoi8WQ
10. 5 stars 1977: YES - Awaken - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDXccU0xgNo
11. 5 stars 1974: Focus - Hamburger Concerto - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WMJsozf9eU
12. 5 stars 2010: Neograss - The Sea of Tranquility - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLq172JyO0s
13. 3 stars 1974: Mike Oldfield - Hergest Ridge - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YCs_GkkWUg
14. 5 stars 1975: Renaissance - Song of Scheherazade - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baLPlJ9sQiA
15. 4 stars 1974: Todd Rundgren's Utopia - The Ikon - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeFkydP5PFs
16. 3 stars 1972: Supersister - Pudding en Gisteren - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmzSWGkQ868
17. 4 stars 1968: Procol Harum - In Held Twas I - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Klon0T5zbgY
18. 5 stars 1971: Caravan - Nine Feet Underground - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVR8lbbNBAo
19. 4 stars 1973: YES - The Remembering - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBRfpeYU-a8
20. 4 stars 2010: Motorpsycho - Gullible's Travails - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riMqJIvRSsg
21. 4 stars 2005: Phideaux - Chupacabras - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWxAjWrEtFU
22. 4 stars 2011: Brighteye Brison - The Rise of Brighteye Brison - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPRv8vJa7Bw
23. 4 stars 2011: Haken - Visions - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSyfvnF5pps
24. 4 stars 2009: Big Big Train - The Underfall Yard - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHB1AXYY9co
25. 4 stars 2002: Echolynn - Mei - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYD6sm-YoZ0
26. 4 stars 1973: YES - The Ancient - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXUyrZBq3fM
27. 4 stars 2008: Moon Safari - Other Half of the Sky - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sEnjobgMZU
28. 4 stars 1973: YES - Ritual - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxBabdgGAbI
29. 5 stars 2008: Brighteye Brison - The Grand Event - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5BKfg_DMvE
30. 4 stars 2012: The Flower Kings - Numbers - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss7PYDicedA
31. 3 stars 2004: Magma - K.A. - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVqtqmrVbu4
32. 4 stars 1970: Pink Floyd - Atom Heart Mother - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6e0CED9A-Q
33. 4 stars 2005: Moon Safari - We Spin the World - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siCks7Nbjig
34. 5 stars 2011: Neograss - Atlantis - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHwEywDUqSU
35. 4 stars 2007: The Flower Kings - Love is the Only Answer - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N68VfE_x-jI
36. 5 stars 1971: Focus - Eruption - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OB5kMsOSWc
37. 5 stars 2013: Days Between Stations - In Extremis - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnX6bElfZ4w
38. 3 stars 2008: Motorpsycho - Little Lucid Moments - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajYEoLMFK_k
39. 3 stars 1975: Hatfield & the North - Mumps - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_MUajIs9Vs
40. 4 stars 1975: Clearlight - Clearlight Symphony - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2K-fx3uoeo
41. 5 stars 2008: Brighteye Brison - The Harvest - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdueeQagDl4
42. 5 stars 1975: Mike Oldfield - Ommadawn - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4WfWEBMFys
43. 3 stars 1970: Soft Machine - Out Bloody Rageous - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9O2lg1Jd6s
44. 4 stars 2010: Big Big Train - The Wide Open Sea - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sqWtIOv1g8
45. 4 stars 1980: The Alan Parsons Project - The Turn of a Friendly Card -  - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFNa5jVmJtU
46. 4 stars 1978: Mike Oldfield - Incantations - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0qrRmiFRWI
47. 3 stars 2009: Magma - Emehntehtt-Re - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymvZ9fMQGjQ
48. 4 stars 1997: YES - Mind Drive - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLLAJnmSfUY
49. 5 stars 1971: Earth and Fire - Song of the Marching Children - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FZ1q7UxviQ
50. 4 stars 1996: YES - That, That Is - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B8ZQMQcqfI

wondering what the source for this list is Paul (you've rated tracks differently so it's not from you I guess)

No Emerson,Lake and Palmer is the obvious ommission. Both Karn Evil 9 and Tarkus should be in there somewhere. No King Crimson or Rush (2112!!) either.

There is a lot of Yes but only one track from Genesis (the obvious one!)






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I was just about to post that we just did the same thread a couple months ago so thanks Cristi for posting the link to that thread. This has already been discussed thoroughly.

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^That thread finished right about the time I joined, I didn't know it had been made, thank you
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^ looks like it was more than a couple months ago! Also looks like the thread has been locked so no harm starting a new one. We did some detective work though and i don't think anyone can come up with anything earlier but if something else exists please do tell!

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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:



wondering what the source for this list is Paul (you've rated tracks differently so it's not from you I guess)

No Emerson,Lake and Palmer is the obvious omission. Both Karn Evil 9 and Tarkus should be in there somewhere. No King Crimson or Rush (2112!!) either.

There is a lot of Yes but only one track from Genesis (the obvious one!)

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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:




wondering what the source for this list is Paul (you've rated tracks differently so it's not from you I guess)

No Emerson,Lake and Palmer is the obvious omission. Both Karn Evil 9 and Tarkus should be in there somewhere. No King Crimson or Rush (2112!!) either.

There is a lot of Yes but only one track from Genesis (the obvious one!)



<span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">The Top 50 Prog Epics list was sourced from Reddit - </span>http://www.reddit.com/r/progrockmusic/comments/2smxy4/favorite_long_prog_suites/
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

...The Top 50 Prog Epics list was sourced from Reddit - http://www.reddit.com/r/progrockmusic/comments/2smxy4/favorite_long_prog_suites/

Hi,

And you consider Reddit, which is a very commercial website, a better informant on progressive music, than PA?

The "top 50" should list 50 bands, not so many repeats, which is a sure sign that WEA (or equivalent) owns Reddit and is mostly ensuring the stuff they deliver is shown more to help sales.

Will we ever learn ... will we EVER learn ... I doubt it, because the focus is not on the music, but on anything out there, by anyone ... regardless of who they are. And PA's own system, was to be ignored.

Just sad, very sad ... specially from PP, who I thought tried to hard to help folks find out more about many bands on PA and such.
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^ I knew I could rely on you to put a negative spin on things. It could have been a lot worse if I'd posted my own Top 50 list. Tongue

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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

^ I knew I could rely on you to put a negative spin on things. It could have been a lot worse if I'd posted my own Top 50 list. Tongue

Hi,

It's not meant as a negative, but a hope that you help us all do a better job putting progressive music on the map. But when a listing only features the same band so many times, I really would like to question HOW and WHY as it would be obvious that someone is pushing those recordings, and not exactly minding the music at all.

To me, you have never been about that at all ... you have always posted so much about a lot of music, and much of it that we failed to see and listen to ... but all of a sudden, the labels were reversed ... and I ... had a poor reaction to it. I never expected PP to be posting something that has little relevance, specially compared to PA.

Sorry ... in terms of the music itself, I think PA is by far one of the best, although it is becoming difficult to not appreciate the efforts that Mike is putting out in making sure all new releases are seen ... something that we here at PA do not do as good a job about, in my book.

I expect more from us all ... getting better and more "valuable" is the most important thing as far as the music itself is concerned, but commercial listings ... hurt. Reminds me of the 80's after the great American Corporate Rape when all FM stations had been bought by Corporate conglomerates, and the only things they played was the material THEY DISTRIBUTED, (for example, the old WEA group) ... and then all that was left was us to say ... Prog has died! It didn't die ... we gave up and didn't care as much for a while!
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^ If I was putting together my own Top 50 list, then I'd only feature each band once, otherwise I'd have 25 Mostly Autumn albums in my Top 50 list. Tongue
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote xhouse Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2023 at 09:28
There's band on this site called SEVENTH SONS who released and album in 1968 that includes a song supposedly recorded in 1964 called Raga. One could consider this the first, but it's more of an improvisation (and it could very well be a live improvisation). I would consider Zappa's Lumpy Gravy the first.
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