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Klogg
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Topic: Some artists that should be in prog related Posted: May 25 2010 at 18:55 |
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Sometimes I think PA forgot some artists that are related to prog.
Like Joy Division. The English post-punk that Ian Curtis used to lead (30 years of dead, RIP Curtis), has some prog traces, like atmospheric keys, and singular bass lines. And the funeral vocals that influenced Anekdoten. Bill Frisell is not there too. He played Clarinet before going to his guitar career, so the wind influence in his music is very marking. Highlights on "Where in the World?", released on 1991, features a load of guitar effects. |
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Anthony H.
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Posted: May 25 2010 at 19:25 | |
Faith No More, especially the Angel Dust album. Plus, Mike Patton leads Mr. Bungle and Fantomas, two of the biggest and best avant-garde prog bands.
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CinemaZebra
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Posted: May 25 2010 at 20:50 | |
Jane's Addiction normally isn't prog, but they CAN be. Examples: Ted, Just Admit It..., Three Days, Summertime Rolls, etc. Besides, their song "Ocean Size" inspired the name of another band on this site.
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thellama73
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Posted: May 25 2010 at 21:01 | |
When you said "atmospheric keys" at first I thought you meant F# minor.
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el_macleod
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Posted: May 25 2010 at 21:36 | |
This joke is lost on me. Is F# minor a highly strung fella
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seventhsojourn
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Posted: May 26 2010 at 03:44 | |
Joy Division does feature some ''atmospheric key(board)s''
I remember seeing them at the Glasgow Apollo, as support act for Elvis Costello I think... the halcyon days! Don't think you'll ever see them on PA though.
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: May 26 2010 at 04:06 | |
You should use this thread
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: May 26 2010 at 05:45 | |
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Textbook
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Posted: May 26 2010 at 06:42 | |
Probably number one for me here is Tori Amos. As has been endlessly said, she more or less IS Kate Bush, except perhaps a little more progressive. Bush gets a pass because of her relationship with David Gilmour and Peter Gabriel I think.
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Rocktopus
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Posted: May 26 2010 at 07:05 | |
How on earth can Tori be more progressive than somone she practically is (your words), who created her art a decade or more before her? Kate Bush is here for better reasons than Peter Gabriel and David Gilmour (solo) + all neoprog and progmetal. |
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clarke2001
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Posted: May 26 2010 at 07:30 | |
Bill Frisel is here. I love post-punk to death, and many such artists contain some prog traces, but that's not enough. Atmospheric keyboards? Too vague. And influence on a certain vocalist rather than an entire prog genre is far from enough. I can pull out a few names that might be suitable for prog categories/prog related, but Joy Division is not among them. They revolutionized some aspects of rock music, but not progressive rock. |
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lazland
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Posted: May 26 2010 at 11:49 | |
Joy Division were many things, but prog (even prog related) they most certainly were not. Post punk, indie, punk related, but NOT prog
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: May 26 2010 at 11:55 | |
Tori is not more or less Kate Bush though her early stuff shows influence. I know those two quite well. I just got a Happy Rhodes CD the other day and there you can make the case. By the way, Iván has put in a fairly restrictive definition of prog related so that many of the artists already there would be tossed out. I don't happen to agree with it but here it is for what's it's worth: "- Without being 100% Prog, received clear MUSICAL influence of this genre, AND - Are widely accepted as MUSICALLY influential to the development of Progressive Rock by the community, AND - Blend characteristics of Progressive Rock with mainstream elements creating a final product that despite not being part of the genre is evident that are close to Prog." Item two is the one I have the biggest problem with. Take that one away and I basically like the definition provided. But hey, as soon as we all start agreeing on things we're probably in trouble. Edited by Slartibartfast - May 26 2010 at 12:03 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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The Truth
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Posted: May 26 2010 at 12:06 | |
MGMT could be... But not all the time...
Andrew Bird could be... But not all the time...
Metallica could be... But not all the... Oh wait...
(Sorry had to bring that up, Metallica does deserve to be on the site )
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Nightshine
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Posted: May 26 2010 at 13:53 | |
I want some of what you're smoking. Dream Theater for prog-related. |
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Logan
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Posted: May 27 2010 at 12:38 | |
Just a music fan passing through trying to fill some void. Various music I am into now: a youtube playlist
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thellama73
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Posted: May 27 2010 at 12:45 | |
Terry riley walks that fine line between "serious" composers and popular artists. While I love his music, I think letting him in would be a bad precedent because then we would have to consider Glass, Reich, Cage, Stockhausen, Varese, Lucier, Nancarrow, Subotnick, Ligeti, Xenakis and a host of other modern composers typically filed under "classical."
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Logan
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Posted: May 27 2010 at 12:56 | |
Dare I say that I support all that you've mentioned in PA (even if it means creating a new category for them). I think that Terry Riley fits current parameters well, though ( would have seen him in the Progressive Electronic category for various albums). Though I think every one should be evaluated as much as possible on its own merits, and we shouldn't worry too much about precedents, I would like to see PA open up more to serious composers, and see more academic oriented music here. For me, I could see it as a good precedent, but I don't think M@X would. Still, I think his music deserves a place here NOW (without any need for alterations to PA's parameters). |
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Klogg
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Posted: May 27 2010 at 12:57 | |
(2) O.o Lol I searched for Bill Frisell in letter B, how stupid >.<" |
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Klogg
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Posted: May 27 2010 at 13:05 | |
Maybe the word atmospheric is mistaken, because it is too personal. I'm not the only person that think that Joy Division creates a atmosphere, but the most people I know that likes Joy don't think that.
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