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    Posted: September 29 2010 at 08:18
I grew up in Leicestershire and spent much of my youth browsing the, then, many great record shops. I could litterally (and often did) spend all day on Saturdays going around them all. Great shops like Ultima Thule (now recently closed down), MG discs, What records, Archer's records, St Matins records, Ainleys and the like. There is only HMV left, (I no longer live in the area so I don't know), am I alone in missing real record shops?? I know and understand the advantages of online shopping, but it is still a real shame. In saying that I did on Sunday spend a great hour browsing in Cambridge's branch of Fopp, the nearest I get to a real shop selling real music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2010 at 09:38
You're not alone. I never got to see the heydey of record stores (I'm 24), but I still love the feeling of rifling through stores looking for something that might pique my interest. It's just such a tactile and unique way to discover music - there's an element of chance and spontaneity to it which is sorely lacking in online shopping.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2010 at 09:43
You are very much not alone. I got into records in my late teens (I'm 24 now) and my local record shop was heaven to me. Finally somewhere I could geek out and not be the odd one out. Recently, there's been more and more kids my age kicking around, which is great because it used to be me and my brother sifting through the dollar bins and taking recommendations from the shop owner.  Ebay is fantastic, but it doesn't compare. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2010 at 09:46
I'm with you completely. I hate buying records online. I'm lucky that there is a pretty good independant record store not too far from me. I spend a lot of time there.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2010 at 09:49
I got my start in the vinyl era, which of course some insist isn't over yet.  Man, $2 for a good used single album and $3 for a double.  Even if you account for inflation that was a deal.  Many of the usual brick and mortar stores from 30 years ago are still in business in the Atlanta area though.  I've seen more stores that specialize in used CDs go bust.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2010 at 09:51
Flipping through stacks trying to find the album you want is a tremendous waste of time, and if you "discover" something you're taking an absurd gamble because you have no way of listening to it or looking up other people's opinions of it, barring an iPhone with headphones and an expensive high data plan. So what, do you buy it based on the cover art and name? No thank you. If you're talking about used albums that is different, as there is actually a benefit to finding a nice used copy in a physical store without paying shipping etc., but I don't buy used albums because I'm pretty sure people usually rip them and then resell them and I won't participate in that pseudo-piracy.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2010 at 09:53
I personally miss it. The beauty of calling a shop by phone, asking for them to hold a copy of a Gong cd (for example), and walking or driving ten minutes to pick it up. It's a very quick method of obtaining a must title unfortunately, that concept of speedy delivery is not realized today. Amazon has taken over. The few independently owned shops in my area advertise and sell on Amazon. When you walk into the shop, there are packages on the counter that are being mailed out and are part of Amazon sales. It was a bit of a drag in the 70's when the shop's policy was to not hold items and then someone would get there first,....which would leave you with the only option of special ordering the item. Apart from that, I miss record shops.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2010 at 09:54
I love the internet for sampling stuff.  But if you've never experienced the sublime pleasures of browsing at a local store and finding something unexpected I feel sorry for you.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2010 at 09:55
If I want to order something, I'll generally order it from the record shop directly. They can usually get it there within a day or two. I can't always do that and sometimes do turn to amazon, but I prefer to support my local brick and mortar stores if I can.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2010 at 10:02
Ever the iconoclast, eh Henry? I know I shouldn't bother, but here goes...

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Flipping through stacks trying to find the album you want is a tremendous waste of time,


Some people enjoy it. Is doing something you enjoy a tremendous waste of time?


Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

if you "discover" something you're taking an absurd gamble because you have no way of listening to it


Not true. A decent record store will always have a CD player and some headphones at the ready for a customer wanting to check something out. I spent a very pleasant afternoon in a little store in Newcastle a few months ago working my way through a pile of Japanese oddities, some of them recommended to me by the store owner, before settling on which ones to purchase.

Additionally, often a record store 'discovery' comes from noticing an album you've already seen other people mention favourably (on PA, for example) and taking a punt on it. Yeah, it's a bit of a gamble, but not a huge one and it's a great way to push yourself outside of your comfort zone, which is a healthy thing to do now and again.
 

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

I am not ashamed of being an internet creature.


Nor am I, I'm just acknowledging that the internet has certain limitations. Buying music in a proper record store is a unique experience which a lot of people enjoy. Let us have our fun, you tedious misanthrope. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2010 at 10:09
Oh I can't tell you how much I miss the days of record shops.  I grew up surrounded by great shops, both in England and the US, and, like the OP, I spent hours and hours of my most valuable formative years in those places.  Whenever I have traveled anywhere I always thought I could get a real taste of a town by checking out its record shops and bookstores.  Nearly impossible to do now.  Although I am doing my best in trying not to get too depressed about it all these days, I still can't quite believe that I would live to see the death of music stores and book stores.  I rarely buy downloads (so deeply, deeply unsatisfying), and the experience of shopping online, for me, is a poor, poor substitute.  Ah well, it's the world we're in.  Luckily, for now, I still have a few good places left where I live now.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2010 at 10:14
Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

 
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

if you "discover" something you're taking an absurd gamble because you have no way of listening to it


Not true. A decent record store will always have a CD player and some headphones at the ready for a customer wanting to check something out. I spent a very pleasant afternoon in a little store in Newcastle a few months ago working my way through a pile of Japanese oddities, some of them recommended to me by the store owner, before settling on which ones to purchase.

Additionally, often a record store 'discovery' comes from noticing an album you've already seen other people mention favourably (on PA, for example) and taking a punt on it. Yeah, it's a bit of a gamble, but not a huge one and it's a great way to push yourself outside of your comfort zone, which is a healthy thing to do now and again.

Nicely put, and I completely agree.  
To add the obvious, one of the great advantages of actual stores is the potential community.  Talking to knowledgeable clerks, getting recommendations, chatting with other shoppers--that's all been part of some of the best experiences I've had.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2010 at 10:34
I used to peruse the local shops almost on a weekly basis when I was a teenager.  My college years compelled me to be less active, but I still went down frequently.  Fortunately, I live in an area where there are a number of good stores left, which offer both new and used selections.  I can also order virtually anything I am looking for from them.  At the same time, there was a period of time not too long ago when a lot of the local independents went under.  I took advantage of their clearance sales, but it was still sad.  The biggest tragedy was loosing Tower Records, especially the flagship store which was second only to their store on Sunset Blvd. in Los Angeles.  Now that was a store that offered selection!  At the moment, there are three locals I go to regularly, one a small chain, and the other two stand-alone, one of which has a separate prog section, albeit a small one.  The owner is a prog fan, so he knows what he's talking about.
 
As to browsing, I think it's fun, but it does take a lot ot time, (But isn't that always the case? Even browsing online takes time, even if you know what you are looking for.) especially when you're as obsessed as I am.  There is a certain joy, not appreciated by everyone, in finding that rarity you hardly expected to see, or to take a chance on something that looks good only to find that it is.  There's a risk, of course, because sometimes it's not good, which is why I appreciate it when the stores allow you to listen.  Before my time, in the 50s and 60s, a lot of record stores, selling vinyl of course, had listening booths, so you could sample the wares.  Those disappeared in the 70s, but of course listening stations have returned.  I also have a couple of prog buddies I go shopping with on rare occasions, making those trips a nice treat.
 
In a nutshell, I am fortunate enough to have local shops, but I do live in the 21st century, hard as I try not to at times, so I do get quite a bit online.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2010 at 10:38
When I was a kid, the best part of any family vacation was finding the local music store and spending a few good, solid hours browsing through their selection.  Stores in different towns would carry different albums, I remember; it took me two years to find a shop that was actually selling Queen's Innuendo album.  I also remember stumbling across the double-disc package of Styx's third and fourth albums, The Serpent Is Rising and Man of Miracles.  Really the best was when you could go to the store and 'discover' that one of your favorite bands had released something new; that was how I found Somewhere to Elsewhere, the last Kansas album.  It was a VERY happy day.

Be that as it may, I too grew up in the wake of vinyl, and have only recently discovered how wonderful it is.  Thankfully we have two incredibly excellent, incredibly old-school record shops here in Bloomington.  I also love digging through antique shops - found a pristine pressing of Love Beach once.

However, concerning the wonderful sensation of dabbling through a used album section, and every once an a while stumbling on a diamond in the rough...yes, I do miss that, very much.  I have far greater access to the music that I love nowadays, but I do get achingly nostalgic for those old cross-country album hunts.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2010 at 10:56
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Flipping through stacks trying to find the album you want is a tremendous waste of time, and if you "discover" something you're taking an absurd gamble because you have no way of listening to it or looking up other people's opinions of it, barring an iPhone with headphones and an expensive high data plan. So what, do you buy it based on the cover art and name? No thank you. If you're talking about used albums that is different, as there is actually a benefit to finding a nice used copy in a physical store without paying shipping etc., but I don't buy used albums because I'm pretty sure people usually rip them and then resell them and I won't participate in that pseudo-piracy.
 
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I think you're merely too used to the "convenience" that online shopping has misled everyone to believe is standard. Browsing through music in a store, or doing the same for books or whatever your passion is, well, "doing it online" just isn't quite the same. There is but one independent music store that is surviving in my region, that has been operating for over three decades. Even the chain stores are gone (Best Buy and Walmart and Target don't count).
 
I'm sorry you think realtime browsing is a tremendous waste of time. Everyone else I know, online or offline, thinks otherwise.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2010 at 10:58
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

I got my start in the vinyl era, which of course some insist isn't over yet. 
 
I'm not a vinyl collector, and I don't think it's over. Vinyl's been enjoying a nice, if limited, resurgence in the last few years.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2010 at 11:06
Sterile digital illusions on a pixelated screen are a waste of time, and until the postman delivers the circular object that contains the music, no experience has taken place. This dire substitute is unfortunately becoming the norm. Unless you're privileged to have access to the real deal, it's pretty much the only option you have. What a crummy substitute...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2010 at 11:24
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Flipping through stacks trying to find the album you want is a tremendous waste of time, and if you "discover" something you're taking an absurd gamble because you have no way of listening to it or looking up other people's opinions of it, barring an iPhone with headphones and an expensive high data plan. So what, do you buy it based on the cover art and name? No thank you. If you're talking about used albums that is different, as there is actually a benefit to finding a nice used copy in a physical store without paying shipping etc., but I don't buy used albums because I'm pretty sure people usually rip them and then resell them and I won't participate in that pseudo-piracy.
 
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I think you're merely too used to the "convenience" that online shopping has misled everyone to believe is standard. Browsing through music in a store, or doing the same for books or whatever your passion is, well, "doing it online" just isn't quite the same. There is but one independent music store that is surviving in my region, that has been operating for over three decades. Even the chain stores are gone (Best Buy and Walmart and Target don't count).
 
I'm sorry you think realtime browsing is a tremendous waste of time. Everyone else I know, online or offline, thinks otherwise.

I don't understand why browsing a physical store is any better than online, but there are no music stores locally so I'm not really an expert. LOL

I have read that the more you touch things the more attached you become to them, maybe that is why I'm so indecisive shopping for things in a physical store.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2010 at 11:33

I believe this is a generation thing. I am from a generation (middle age & putrid) where some of the highlights of our social scene was going to a record store and meeting new friends there. Some I am still friends with, two-three decades later. I gladly admit that one of my daydreams from that time was going into a record store and buying 100 new records....... make that, cassettes. That daydream would probably be my nightmare now, with well over 300 albums stacked up against the walls and on an external hard-disc, waiting to be reviewed.  

Yes, the internet scene is so much easier now with Myspace and their listening samples. Due to storage space problems, I also prefer my albums bought as downloads. Then again, I do not have time to go to a record shop these days. I believe both the new more hectic lifestyles and the digital downloads, on a 50/50 percentage wise basis, has killed the record stores.

The world are a changing. I have yet to decide if I like these changes. 


 

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