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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2016 at 12:49
Many aspects of Yes led to a special sound.

Especially impressive to me are not only the quality of the musicians, but the contrasts among them.
In their prime, they were the ultimate 5-ring musical circus.

Squire - boldly taking the bass guitar where it had never gone before.
Bruford - deeply skilled drummer who thought he was in a jazz band.
Howe - perfectly at home simultaneously conjuring Wes Montgomery and Chet Atkins while taking hollow body guitars to the stratocastersphere.
Wakeman - formal, classical-inspired keyboard style with an impeccable sense of tone and a knack for orchestration.
Anderson - astral traveler mixing impenetrable lyrics and imagery with simple, nursery-like melodies, thus cementing the uniqueness, accessibility, and positivity of Yes music.

A big aspect of the Beatles' appeal was the distinctiveness and individuality of the four personalities. I think Squire and Anderson tapped into this aspect very well by crafting a musical institution in which each band member had a unique musical and personal identity.

Another aspect of Yes I appreciate was their ability to change with the times and adopt new sounds and styles. This capability, IMHO, kept them viable and relevant for decades. When many bands were bulldozed by the '80s, Yes found a way to flourish and maintain a unique and vibrant sound.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2016 at 11:05
Originally posted by Mascodagama Mascodagama wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

 I must part ways on the view that their lack of negative emotions is a great attribute.  I don't believe in the cliche of tragic = great art but at the same time confronting difficult emotions in music can be incredibly cathartic.  I never really got to hear that side of Yes; they don't even try. Everything is bright and there's no contrast.  Does beat bands that just sound generally grim and dark without being particularly soulful or touching, yes.
 
Well, Gates of Delirium isn't all sunshine - but generally speaking I agree.
 
Still, there are a thousand bands to turn to for darkness and misery.  If I OD on good vibes listening to Yes a quick spike of Univers Zero through the breastbone will act as a corrective.

I wouldn't say so.  I mean that I am not interested in the stereotypical depiction of dark moods that's prevalent in a lot of rock/rock related music.  I am interested in something soulful and uncanny, say like KC's Fallen Angel.  That's equally as rare as genuinely optimistic music like Yes. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2016 at 07:42
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

 I must part ways on the view that their lack of negative emotions is a great attribute.  I don't believe in the cliche of tragic = great art but at the same time confronting difficult emotions in music can be incredibly cathartic.  I never really got to hear that side of Yes; they don't even try. Everything is bright and there's no contrast.  Does beat bands that just sound generally grim and dark without being particularly soulful or touching, yes.
 
Well, Gates of Delirium isn't all sunshine - but generally speaking I agree.
 
Still, there are a thousand bands to turn to for darkness and misery.  If I OD on good vibes listening to Yes a quick spike of Univers Zero through the breastbone will act as a corrective.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2016 at 07:23
I remember when I was showing tracks of a few different prog rock bands to a guy who was mostly a metalhead, his response was pretty neutral until I played him Yours is no disgrace.  His eyes immediately lit up. I think that's the standout quality of Yes - they just hit you with so much energy and their tracks, particularly pre-Tales, are so catchy and infectious.  Bad words in the eyes of some prog elitists, perhaps, but that's what made them so successful without their actively crossing over into mainstream rock in the way that Floyd and Tull did.  I must part ways on the view that their lack of negative emotions is a great attribute.  I don't believe in the cliche of tragic = great art but at the same time confronting difficult emotions in music can be incredibly cathartic.  I never really got to hear that side of Yes; they don't even try. Everything is bright and there's no contrast.  Does beat bands that just sound generally grim and dark without being particularly soulful or touching, yes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2016 at 03:49
The total commitment and expertise in creating pieces that worked so well. Some were / are a bit odd but all part of the canon e.g. some of the solo moments on Fragile. Or the cha cha moment in Sound Chaser.

As noted above they, especially Anderson were very good song writers. The Revealing Science Of God is a song that instead of fitting into five minutes does so in 20 but doesn't have a stretched out feel - everything happens in it's good time.

They had the virtuosity to make complex music, the intelligence to make it cohesive and the sensibility to make it to an audience.

Not only did they have the ability to make songs but the technique to make classical music - e.g. the exquisitely timed and crafted masterpiece And You And I, brought to a climax  - before going into the heavens... a pop song would repeat or redevelop this idea but this does not happen much in classical music. Yes exemplify the best in progressive rock because they brought the art ind intelligence of classical and fused it with the personal approach of the good popular song. The also have, usually, the energy of a top flight rock band, the chops of jazz (Howe) and the always pretty good (heh!) Richard Wakeman.

Chris Squire's talent for teaming up with others and bringing new aspects to the multifaceted gem that is the catalogue is , I think, the key factor in initiating the creative spark within Yes. Whether it's the Trevors, Jons or the myriad of others who've appeared and disappeared he gets them to usually bring the best in them, right out. Usually. He and Wakeman are the ideal collaborators in Yes.

Of course having classical, country, jazz, rock guitars aplenty with Steve Howe helps things ever so much.

There are a lot of aspects to Yes and how they do what they did and the above is just a few examples.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2016 at 03:27
Sly Stone is imensivly influentual to Yes positive sound
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2016 at 22:51
Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by DDPascalDD DDPascalDD wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:


Another thing that distinguishes them from many prog and other bands is that overall the mood of their music feels more positive. It's not that being sad, angry, grumpy or depressive is beyond their range but many other music that is emotionally deep tends to be more on the negative pessimistic side overall in one way or another. 


That's it exactly for me too, there is so much complexity and feeling for (the) music but at the same time it's so happy and gives so much positive energy. It doesn't sound like a contradiction of any kind but that part does it for me.


Another point I have really loved from the band for so long.


Agreed. Their music always has an uplifting effect on me. Jon's vocals soar to the heavens and carry me along for the ride. And what a ride!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2016 at 21:47
Originally posted by DDPascalDD DDPascalDD wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:


Another thing that distinguishes them from many prog and other bands is that overall the mood of their music feels more positive. It's not that being sad, angry, grumpy or depressive is beyond their range but many other music that is emotionally deep tends to be more on the negative pessimistic side overall in one way or another. 


That's it exactly for me too, there is so much complexity and feeling for (the) music but at the same time it's so happy and gives so much positive energy. It doesn't sound like a contradiction of any kind but that part does it for me.


Another point I have really loved from the band for so long.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2016 at 17:41
They also mannage to contrast the shimmer with rage aka Squires Rickenbacher and Howes guitar runs, brings the certain edge to not make them so shimmering they dissolve in the vaccum of astral dissonance.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2016 at 17:37
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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Because they didn't name the band NO


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perhaps it would have back in 2004..LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2016 at 16:15
Originally posted by Pastmaster Pastmaster wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Because they didn't name the band NO


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2016 at 16:12
Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Because they didn't name the band NO

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2016 at 09:47
This is a question that is not easy to answer. It seems that everything was in the right place in 70s Yes (what came later was still good but no longer outstanding in the same way). Jon Anderson's unique and beautiful voice; Chris Squire's less outstanding but still very good voice; the instrumental skills of the musicians; the refined arrangements; the way they perfectly played together; the deeply mindful lyrics; and especially the spirituality that guided it all. The result was perhaps some of the greatest music of the 20th century. It seems as if the music was not from this world but came straight from a place like Rivendell or Lothlórien. Roger Dean of course did not contribute to the music of Yes, but provided it with an adequate packaging.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2016 at 09:18
I guess would be the uniqueness of the music, specially during the classic period. A great combination of composition, orchestration and performance.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2016 at 09:01
Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:


Another thing that distinguishes them from many prog and other bands is that overall the mood of their music feels more positive. It's not that being sad, angry, grumpy or depressive is beyond their range but many other music that is emotionally deep tends to be more on the negative pessimistic side overall in one way or another. 

That's it exactly for me too, there is so much complexity and feeling for (the) music but at the same time it's so happy and gives so much positive energy. It doesn't sound like a contradiction of any kind but that part does it for me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2016 at 08:41
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

The 'whole is greater than the  sum of its parts '....
Aristotle.

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That is exactly the added value within Yes music. Close to the Edge has this more than any other album that I know.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2016 at 08:17
"Mixture of power and melody" - that's well put. Apart from their skills and competence, they express quite an emotional range, meditative, pastoral, romantic, happy, sad, at times ambiguous between the two, but then also very powerful and energetic, and at times mysterious, tension, threat and relief. And they can switch from one to the other very suddenly but with musicality and taste. It feels natural when they do that, at least in their best moments. They have both the skill and the feeling to pull it off.

Another thing that distinguishes them from many prog and other bands is that overall the mood of their music feels more positive. It's not that being sad, angry, grumpy or depressive is beyond their range but many other music that is emotionally deep tends to be more on the negative pessimistic side overall in one way or another. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2016 at 06:51
No other prog band has that mixture of power and melody that produced such moments as -
 - the instrumental section of "And You And I"
- the crashing drums into the keyboard section near the end of "Gates of Delirium"
- the ending of "The Remembering"
- the ending of "Heart of the Sunrise"
to name but a few
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 12 2016 at 23:37
The vocal harmonies are ear candy!  Anderson and Squire were partially inspired by great vocal bands such as The Association from the USA (Anderson did a single of theirs, "Never My Love," which is fantastic! 

King Crimson certainly had the instrumental chops, as did ELP and Genesis, but Yes smokes all of them with their lush vocals.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 12 2016 at 22:07
Because they didn't name the band NO
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