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Frenetic Zetetic 
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 Posted: March 18 2018 at 03:20 |
 Mortte wrote:
^Really I think this started to get very boring. If someone is not liking some album, he started a thread "is this album overrated?" I could start tens of threads of albums that I donīt like but are commonly very respected, but I really donīt want to waste my time. |
That's kind of the point of a discussion forum, dude. IDK what to tell you...
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Also, about songs, I think Breathe, Time, Money, Us & Them, Brain Damage and even Eclipse are much better songs than the most in WYWH, only Welcome to Machine rises into same quality as those DSoTM-songs. Just my opinion. |
...Then you keep talking after you say you're done  .
We clearly disagree on this particular topic. No harm no foul. Carry on.
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Mortte
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Posted: March 18 2018 at 03:18 |
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Also, about songs, I think Breathe, Time, Money, Us & Them, Brain Damage and even Eclipse are much better songs than the most in WYWH, only Welcome to Machine rises into same quality as those DSoTM-songs. Just my opinion.
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Mortte
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Posted: March 18 2018 at 03:16 |
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^Really I think this started to get very boring. If someone is not liking some album, he started a thread "is this album overrated?" I could start tens of threads of albums that I donīt like but are commonly very respected, but I really donīt want to waste my time.
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Frenetic Zetetic
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Posted: March 18 2018 at 03:12 |
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^No. DSoTM has never been overrated, although it hasnīt been a long time my favourite Floyd-album. Hell, it just took so much forward recording technology, also I think itīs one of the predecessors of ambient and electromusic. Can you say any album that is like that what itīs made before it?
About We Canīt Dance it may be little underrated. I think itīs much better than Invisible Touch. But I wouldnīt say it progalbum, although it has more prog than s/t or Invisible. |
Interesting perspective, and one I hold almost a diametrical opinion of. Prog or not, I prefer Invisible Touch to We Can't Dance.
I don't care for DSoTM due to the tech advances. They are there, no denying. It's the songs themselves that don't gel with me.
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Posted: March 18 2018 at 03:03 |
Frenetic Zetetic wrote:
micky wrote:
dude... I'm still digesting my pizza... and trying to get to the point where I see one monitor... not 2 or 3.
be patient... I'll have your list... |
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Lmaoooo
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Mortte
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Posted: March 18 2018 at 02:55 |
^No. DSoTM has never been overrated, although it hasnīt been a long time my favourite Floyd-album. Hell, it just took so much forward recording technology, also I think itīs one of the predecessors of ambient and electromusic. Can you say any album that is like that what itīs made before it?
About We Canīt Dance it may be little underrated. I think itīs much better than Invisible Touch. But I wouldnīt say it progalbum, although it has more prog than s/t or Invisible.
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Frenetic Zetetic
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Posted: March 18 2018 at 02:11 |
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We Can't Dance is underrated. Prog Album.
Lamb Lies Down is Underrated if you want to restrict it to ole Peter Gabriel albums. Nursery Cryme and Trespass are overrated. Foxtrot and Selling England deserve their high regard.
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WCD underrated? How?
What's wrong with Cryme and Trespass? They don't deserve the high regard? |
Nursery Cryme never clicked with me personally, but We Can't Dance? Really? This thread is full of surprises, and I can't tell if people are trying to stir things up and be contrarian, or what lol.
Hell, if anything, I'd say DSoTM is way more overrated than Foxtrot ever was/is.
Edited by Frenetic Zetetic - March 18 2018 at 02:18
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Cristi
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Posted: March 18 2018 at 00:46 |
ReactioninG wrote:
We Can't Dance is underrated. Prog Album.
Lamb Lies Down is Underrated if you want to restrict it to ole Peter Gabriel albums. Nursery Cryme and Trespass are overrated. Foxtrot and Selling England deserve their high regard.
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WCD underrated? How?
Lamb is not underrated either, it's quite beloved and appreciated.
What's wrong with Cryme and Trespass? They don't deserve the high regard?
Edited by Cristi - March 18 2018 at 02:14
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Mortte
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Posted: March 18 2018 at 00:03 |
I believe somebodies shouldnīt write here, when they drinking beer...just made themselves ridicilous...
Have read before from the other music encyclopedias, that Nursery was already an album that started to woke commercial & critical succeess to them, but in Foxtrot they made it. Also I know Genesis was really much bigger always in Italy than UK. Wikipedia says, Foxtrot went to No.1 in Italy, information about it has taken from there by Dave Bowler & Bryan Dray from their Genesis book. Really trust this case more wikipedia, than some guy here, who tends to say whatever he wants.
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ReactioninG
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Posted: March 17 2018 at 18:50 |
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We Can't Dance is underrated. Prog Album.
Lamb Lies Down is Underrated if you want to restrict it to ole Peter Gabriel albums. Nursery Cryme and Trespass are overrated. Foxtrot and Selling England deserve their high regard.
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Frenetic Zetetic
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Posted: March 17 2018 at 15:00 |
micky wrote:
dude... I'm still digesting my pizza... and trying to get to the point where I see one monitor... not 2 or 3.
be patient... I'll have your list... |
*Waits patiently*
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Posted: March 17 2018 at 14:59 |
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Posted: March 17 2018 at 14:57 |
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I don't care whether it's 'important' (I think that's a pretty tough bar reserved for very few albums, it's just music) or where it charted at the time of release. It's musically consistently very good and has earned a deserved reputation based retrospective analysis over the years. Personally it doesn't make my top 100 but then I'm not representative of the general prog fan.
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Posted: March 17 2018 at 14:39 |
dude... I'm still digesting my pizza... and trying to get to the point where I see one monitor... not 2 or 3.
be patient... I'll have your list...
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Frenetic Zetetic
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Posted: March 17 2018 at 14:33 |
micky wrote:
Mortte wrote:
Truth is that Foxtrot got really positive reviews in 1972, reached No. 12 in UK and No. 1 in Italy. |
huh.. thank you for playing.. the Genesis lovefest....but
since when... Foxtrot was not a #1 album in Italy. It wasn't even top 10. It reached a peak of 15 on the Italian charts.. far less than many prog bands.. and good number of non prog bands. Zero impact even on ground zero of prog in 1972.. Italy. sh*t.. if not for stealing Osanna's act.. they likely would have been dropped for their label for being so damn boring.
Which again is the point.. when prog bands were hitting #1 and filling stadiums.. Genesis were playing to hole in the walls and f**king pubs man. You all may love the album.. but don't claim it is a great album.. for it has as much impact and importance as Mina's album in the world of prog. It didn't raise Genesis to 2nd division cult band status.. they were playing and selling albums to friends and family haha and still trying to not get their label to can them for being so damn boring and yes.. unoriginal. Hardly the stuff of greatest prog albums.. was it unappreciated. Perhaps.. along with hundreds of unappreciated albums that just happened to perhaps be better hahah.
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I answered your question, and you never answered mine. List a few from this list of hundreds of bands that are better.
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Posted: March 17 2018 at 14:26 |
Mortte wrote:
Truth is that Foxtrot got really positive reviews in 1972, reached No. 12 in UK and No. 1 in Italy. |
huh.. thank you for playing.. the Genesis lovefest....but
since when... Foxtrot was not a #1 album in Italy. It wasn't even top 10. It reached a peak of 15 on the Italian charts.. far less than many prog bands.. and good number of non prog bands. Zero impact even on ground zero of prog in 1972.. Italy. sh*t.. if not for stealing Osanna's act.. they likely would have been dropped for their label for being so damn boring.
Which again is the point.. when prog bands were hitting #1 and filling stadiums.. Genesis were playing to hole in the walls and f**king pubs man. You all may love the album.. but don't claim it is a great album.. for it has as much impact and importance as Mina's album in the world of prog. It didn't raise Genesis to 2nd division cult band status.. they were playing and selling albums to friends and family haha and still trying to not get their label to can them for being so damn boring and yes.. unoriginal. Hardly the stuff of greatest prog albums.. was it unappreciated. Perhaps.. along with hundreds of unappreciated albums that just happened to perhaps be better hahah.
Edited by micky - March 17 2018 at 14:28
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Mortte
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Posted: March 17 2018 at 13:13 |
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Truth is that Foxtrot got really positive reviews in 1972, reached No. 12 in UK and No. 1 in Italy.
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Posted: March 17 2018 at 11:50 |
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Frenetic Zetetic
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Posted: March 17 2018 at 11:27 |
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That's actually a hilarious story. We don't get paid until the last one's well on his way! *red and blues flashing in rearview*
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Cristi
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Posted: March 17 2018 at 11:27 |
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^ Get'em Out By Friday is my favorite song from Foxtrot. :)
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