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I’m not sure it takes a panhead to appreciate throatsinging. I played that for my mum yesterday evening and was somewhat surprised to learn that she found it rather beautiful and serene in an odd way. Her normal favourites include Roy Orbison, Shakin Stevens, Boney M and ABBA
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Im sure the panheads underwear is positively dripping like a siberian thaw after listening to that...me, i'd use that to scare cats off my front garden...
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I've always been fascinated by this phenomenon and am still unsure what makes it possible. When anyone sings a single note, you get it's fundamental frequency e.g the pitch 'A' at 440 Hz but also the overtone series of frequencies above that although these are practically inaudible to human hearing. With the Mongolian throat singers however, they seem to be able to amplify these overtone frequencies using their bodies to produce what are erm...chords/drones?! I read somewhere that this practice wreaks havoc with your inner organs and many throat singers don't live past 50? Don't try this at home kids.
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I have a Mellotron with tapes of Mongolian throat singers, it sounds like this:
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Which is one of my points about music from all over the world ... and how 1 or 2 countries "think" they own the definitions of all music, and the rest of the world is uneducated and not worthy of attention and couldn't possibly have music that is different, or better. It is, one thing that is absolutely insane ... when folks will go gagagoogoo over ApocalipseBullPucky, and then will never even consider Maria Bethania's Carcara done almost 5 years earlier about a metal dragon ... Brazil, couldn't possibly have any good music compared to the over rated media bound stuff in America and England! But you really think that many folks in "progressive" this and that will ever listen to something else? AND, I know the same thing happens on the academic circles, where the only things listened to are the "accepted" ones ... never anything else! I thought, in the late 60's that the Ravi Shankar and Yehudi Menuhin thing (East meets West) would be a great step in that direction, but when I saw the show in Chicago, the fat old broads at the end of the concert were coming out and one said ... "how could any of that improvisation be called music?" ... totally missing the point of the whole thing ... !!! It was a show for the ages ... one of the loveliest thing ever ... but you think that it will be appreciated, even for when it was done?
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Given the choice, I would rather receive an objective explanation of how music is constructed from someone who has been paid to both play and teach the subject. I really can't see why your opinion on the music to hand has any relevance to this end. No-one cares if you like/dislike it. Those interested in music theory just want to learn more about the techniques and practices that were used to put it together. Are you Robbie Savage?
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As I see it. Music theorists are like proffesional football pundits, who disect the game you have just watched and dictate the professional view...I always wind thru their pointless platitudes if I can..and make my own view on the game I have just watched...
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Right on. Thank you. |
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I'm more interested if Van Halen copied Hackett from SEBTP....and everybody thinks he invented hammer on hammer off technique...😎
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Not sure if this has been mentioned, but maybe some of Zappa's contributions might count? I'm thinking Xenochrony - layering multiple recordings of unrelated performances. Granted, it's similar to Charles Ives' idea of ensembles performing two or more different pieces at the same time, but by using recorded performances, Xenochrony allows the musicians to perform without influencing each other. Or maybe his approach to conducting his band would count; the way he would conduct ensemble improvisations, or use gestures to introduce spontaneous changes in the way a composed piece was performed.
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Excellent response! Many years ago, I was a member of the university chorus at the University of Illinois in Urbana-Champaign (noted for its music program), and we did an experimental piece in which vocalists made different vocalizations like *bop!* and *bing!* according to a type of sheet music notation we were given. There were some instrumentalists who did things like play trumpet notes while swinging the trumpet from one direction to another, inducing a Dopler shift to the tone.....it was a very cool experience. |
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As mentioned earlier, I have a masters in theory and I teach this stuff for a living, I have been for about 30 years now.
Music theory does not dictate or create anything, music theory just explains what's going on in a piece of music, such as what scales did they use, what rhythms etc etc. Its more similar to someone who collects insects and tries to determine their species. The music is already created, music theory is just an attempt to define and explain what happened in this piece of music. As far as new frontiers for Western music theory go, trying to notate some African multiple layered poly-rhythms have proven to be quite difficult, but figuring out a notation for different waves of guitar feedback would also be a challenge. Edited by Easy Money - January 22 2020 at 21:20 |
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For the record, this thread is about the potential for NOT re-writing the same book and ideas. As for music theory, it is not the straight jacket that you make it out to be. It is no more so than grammar is a straight jacket on poetry. Grammar is in fact an aid to poetry contributing various aspects of meaning, which can be altered if desired per poetic license. Music theory does much the same when dissonance is interjected into a cadence. Nor is music really a theory in the scientific sense, as in science a researcher is not allowed to create his own data and use that to alter theory. Music theory of course allows for precisely that. Edited by HackettFan - January 22 2020 at 20:07 |
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I'll answer this as the OP (who is quite astonished to see his thread revived, BTW). I see no relationship to snobbery. This thread explored whether Prog has made any unique contribution to music theory not attributable to any prior style of music. It is an interesting question. Interesting questions are not the substance of snobbery. As I stated in the opening post, Rock moved the needle on parallel fifths when it contributed power chords. Do we speak of that as snobbery. No, it just is what it is. In point of fact, no one was able to point to any similar contribution made by Prog, and so it seems Prog may have made no comparable mark upon the annals of music history. Does that sound like snobbery? Now, (to anyone reading) be not confused. Individual Prog artists have made their unique mark upon music theory. The question the thread poses pertains to Prog at large. So far the answer is 'no'. If that's correct, it should be remarkable for a style that embraces philosophy of experimentation. I suspect the answer is that Prog is not truly a "style" of music, but I still find it no less remarkable. |
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Isn't this thread sort of emphasising the technical snobbery that is / was levelled at prog fans/musicians by the new wave fans in now/1976???
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