The Song that Announced the Birth of Math Rock

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   Hmmm, that requires a lot of thought and auditing.   Discipline is a good proto-projection, but only sounds a little bit like Mathrock.   

'Mathrock' is as much a sound as it is an approach ~ Breadwinner, Sleeping People, Oxes, Muddy World, etc.   Some people think Battles is Mathrock.  They're not.  Some people think Tortoise is Mathrock.  They're not.   

Cheers!

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Atavachron Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65844	Post Options Post Reply Quote Atavachron Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: July 12 2023 at 12:26
	Hmmm, that requires a lot of thought and auditing. Discipline is a good proto-projection, but only sounds a little bit like Mathrock. 'Mathrock' is as much a sound as it is an approach ~ Breadwinner, Sleeping People, Oxes, Muddy World, etc. Some people think Battles is Mathrock. They're not. Some people think Tortoise is Mathrock. They're not. Cheers!
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	You'd think Zappa would have written a math rock song along the way.

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	Maybe not the birth, but the Talking Heads had a huge influence on Belew and Fripp before Discipline came out. Fripp guests on this tune.

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	We all know that Math Rock came out of the minimalist movement among classical musicians--artists like John Cage, Terry Riley, Steve Reich, and Phillip Glass--but can you cite *the first rock* song** that you know of to express those quick-changing minimalistic polyrhythms? As I first was becoming aware of the minimalist movement King Crimson's album Discipline was just being released. (September 22 of 1981.) I've always felt that the quartet's song "Discipline" was the first (and, perhaps, most influential) rock expression of what had been going on in the African, Gamelan, and, more recently, Minimalist music scenes. Do you know of another song from the rock world that predates KC's master class? I'm ready to be educated, thank you very much.
	Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/