Cream: Proto-Prog?

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   If we are going to add every Classic Rock band and artist that influenced Prog artists, lets start with Elvis and Chuck Berry, without them there would not exist Rock and of course not Prog.
But a limit must be drawn, I believe Cream is not related to Prog, their influence limits to performing not to songwriting or composition, so I believe we're Ok without them.
Not that they are bad,. but they don't have a single Prog element, it's true that PP and PR are not Prog bands (Even though Proto Prog bands need to have Prog elements), but there has to be a direct and obvious relationand in this case it's non existent.

Just my opinion.
Iván

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - February 15 2008 at 02:20

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Ivan_Melgar_M Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557	Posted: February 15 2008 at 02:16
	If we are going to add every Classic Rock band and artist that influenced Prog artists, lets start with Elvis and Chuck Berry, without them there would not exist Rock and of course not Prog. But a limit must be drawn, I believe Cream is not related to Prog, their influence limits to performing not to songwriting or composition, so I believe we're Ok without them. Not that they are bad,. but they don't have a single Prog element, it's true that PP and PR are not Prog bands (Even though Proto Prog bands need to have Prog elements), but there has to be a direct and obvious relationand in this case it's non existent. Just my opinion. Iván Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - February 15 2008 at 02:20


Atavachron Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65864	Posted: February 15 2008 at 02:16
	there's no doubt about Cream's vast influence on almost every rock band that came after them - including many proto and HeavyProg bands - though they were not really Protoprog themselves, and that's an important factor in considering them ..in the end I would say no, as most of the important prog artists began moving away from Cream-type rock

Queen By-Tor Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 13 2006 Location: Xanadu Status: Offline Points: 16111	Posted: February 15 2008 at 02:15
	Might I add what so very people many people have said. Prog related is NOT prog.

JLocke Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: November 18 2007 Status: Offline Points: 4900	Posted: February 15 2008 at 02:05
	Led Zeppelin is no more prog than cream is, so why not add them? (By the way, I like that Zeppelin is on this site, but they aren't prog, and we all know it.)

Queen By-Tor Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 13 2006 Location: Xanadu Status: Offline Points: 16111	Posted: February 15 2008 at 00:16
	Though I may have no say what-so ever on the site I'd like to add some insight! True, they're not very progressive at all, but there's no doubt that they had at least a hand in influencing many of the bands, and indeed prog bands to come. Even in Heavy Prog they're listed as influence for many of the earlier bands. Blues rock maybe, but I'd like to think they have a shot. After all, isn't the proto genre open t the bands that helped to define the genres (and sub genres) that exist in prog rock today? For shear influence I think they'd do okay here. Hard Blues Psychedelia is at the heart of so many a-prog band. That and I'd love to review 'em. Anyways, that's this groupie's two cents.

1800iareyay Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: November 18 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2492	Posted: February 15 2008 at 00:09
	Well, Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker have jazz qualifications, and their live jams are legendary and they manage to actually be entertaining, which is more than most jam bands ever achieve. That being said, just because everyone borrows in some way from this trio doesn't mean they should be included. I support Led Zeppelin being here because not only did they influence everyone, but they experimented with their music. Cream were pretty straight-forward blues jammers, like the Allman Brothers who came after them. Great, great band, but I can't see them here.

Sinusoid Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: December 07 2007 Location: South Illinois Status: Offline Points: 55	Posted: February 15 2008 at 00:04
	Cream have probably been on the suggestion list several times before, but I don't see them on recent posts. From what I know, Cream were among the first bands to utilize extended instrumental passages on their live performances. Plus, I'm pretty sure many PA members know about the influence of Clapton, Bruce and Baker on future artists. I may get shot down since Cream is more blues influenced than anything, but I'd thought I'd bring them up. Any takers?