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ExittheLemming ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11415 |
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Anyone who thinks that Prog musicians have remained faithful to their political allegiances while operating from within the music industry is surely credulous enough to believe that an antelope would vote for a lion.
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*frinspar* ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 27 2008 Location: Arizona Status: Offline Points: 463 |
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I don't like the idea of a concerted effort to change, and especially not a fan-driven shove, to coerce bands into saying things they didn't already want to say.
Prog is basically about natural progression, yeah? Coincidentally, if some are not finding their needs met by the music they hear, maybe they should fill that void on their own. Much like the reason many politicians give when asked why they're running for a particular office. ![]() Edited by *frinspar* - June 20 2014 at 02:33 |
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 26471 |
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I wouldn't consider that a political song. Also anti-war songs don't count either. Its like saying 'Pizza is tasty'. I think a political song should get some reaction. I can think of a couple that were regarded as thinly veiled attacks on the USA IQ - Harvest Of Souls Muse - Take A Bow both good ones as well
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twosteves ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 01 2007 Location: NYC/Rhinebeck Status: Offline Points: 4077 |
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Yours is no Disgrace is the best political song---Don't Kill the Whale---sort of okay.
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20538 |
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Gully Foyle ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 26 2011 Location: Massachusetts Status: Offline Points: 350 |
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I agree that it is excellent, though i think they make the same error some others do as regards the extremes of left and right in the US. There are people on both extremes, but there is a real difference between left and right: on the right many extremists hold national political office, whereas on the left the extremists are locked out of office and spend more time in drum circles.
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20538 |
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Edited by SteveG - June 19 2014 at 13:18 |
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Evolver ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Crossover & JR/F/Canterbury Teams Joined: October 22 2005 Location: The Idiocracy Status: Offline Points: 5482 |
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http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=38167
3rd Degree "The Long Division"
Excellent political prog, relevant to the last US Presidential election.
Spears both left and right for rampant hypocrisy.
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Trust me. I know what I'm doing.
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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ExittheLemming ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11415 |
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^ Somewhere Over the Texas Rhino Taxes Way Up High (Man)
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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I just noticed that "Taxes" and "Texas" share the same words. This surely means something. And I hope Jon Anderson can exploit it in a song about rainbow-colored rhinos
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The Doctor ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 23 2005 Location: The Tardis Status: Offline Points: 8543 |
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C'mon T, you wouldn't listen to an album with catchy song titles like "I Hate Taxes" and the side-long "Obamacare is the Work of the Devil"?
Speaking of repatriation to another planet, I've been hoping to be repatriated since my youth, to no avail. Guess I need to join the Tea Party to get that honor. ![]() |
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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^To be honest, and much as I love freedom of expression, Tea Party prog lyrics would definitely invite invitation to go to Uranus, or Theiranus, or whichever Anus we can find that can tolerate their bigotry any more than it can an enema.
And Texas prog can join them too.
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ExittheLemming ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11415 |
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Would you therefore only permit songs that had a political orientation you agree with? You can see where I'm going with this I'm sure.... i.e. would your forced repatriation of right wingers to say, Uranus be deemed any less intolerant that their forced repatriation of left wingers to say, the Red Planet? ![]() |
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Hercules ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: June 14 2007 Location: Near York UK Status: Offline Points: 7024 |
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I would welcome political messages in the lyrics.
The obsession of humankind with money, to the extent that the desecration of our planet is secondary to acquiring personal/corporate wealth and the consequent prosecution of military action in support of economic aims (Iraq!) is something that angers me beyond belief. I think that such issues have been the subject of prog lyrics before, have they not? I suppose being an environmentalist and a traditional Liberal (not the rabid, right wing "do whatever you want and **** everyone else type) informs my viewpoint. But anyone who pushes a Tea Party standpoint can leave the planet for me.
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Tom Ozric ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 03 2005 Location: Olympus Mons Status: Offline Points: 15916 |
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Indeed, Zappa had his say for sure.
Kraut rockers 'Floh de Cologne' used politics as a basis for their musical expressions too, although it's pretty much lost on non-German speaking folks.......(the music is great.....) |
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Slartibartfast ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29625 |
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I love Zappa's political songs, he went after hypocrisy on both sides. Did he pick on one side more often? Yes. He never embraced false equivalency and I think that's what offends a few around here. They can't handle it so they are dismissive of it. He wasn't afraid to call particular people or kinds of people out. His criticisms were always spot on. If Zappa had been around during the W regime, I'm pretty sure he would have done some scathing songs. He would have also probably done stuff critical of B and O, but it would have been fair unlike these relentless idiotic attacks that are coming from the opposition.
I also find Gentle Giant's The Power And The Glory to be one of my favorite political prog albums. It has a timeless quality because it speaks truth to power without naming names. In the in end politics in prog music is fine for as long as the music is good. On a side note, I find the title a this thread a little amusing - Would you like to see politics added to Prog MusicI think many of us have made the point that it is already there... Edited by Slartibartfast - June 19 2014 at 03:35 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Tom Ozric ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 03 2005 Location: Olympus Mons Status: Offline Points: 15916 |
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I haven't read all the posts regarding this topic, but I know Henry Cow, Chris Cutler and Co. added a lot of political views within their music. Even Vander and his Kobaian philosophies include a degree of politics.
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 26471 |
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its pretty much the opposite here
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notesworth ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() Joined: June 03 2010 Location: Mississippi Status: Offline Points: 98 |
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I'd say no. In the US, everything's split between the Conservative Camp and the Liberal Camp. Almost any choice somebody makes puts them in one camp or the other. We don't need either camp to claim genres of music. They've already claimed TV shows (Duck Dynasty), grocery stores (Whole Foods), restaurants (Chick-Fil-A), etc.
People can write about whatever they want to write about, including political issues. I just don't want to see one of the political camps annex a genre of music. Also, I'm sick of people equating Christianity with conservatives/Republicans, but that's another issue completely.
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