Marillion vs. Porcupine Tree (two songs)

genbanks wrote: King Crimson776 wrote: I thought it was self-evident but basically, neo is not as complex as symphonic or other prog subgenres. It has more standard song forms, and is therefore closer to pop music. It's about as complex as prog metal I guess (prog metal is just 'busy', not actually complex). Still a subjective opinion...read this "While the Neo-Progressive genre initially consisted of artists exploring a modernized version of Symphonic Prog, these days artists coined as Neo-Progressive cover a multitude of musical expressions, where the common denominator is the inclusion - within a progressive rock framework - of musical elements developed just prior to and after 1980. The Neo-Progressive genre in it's refined form thus covers a vast musical territory, to some extent covering all existing subsets of progressive rock and also searching out towards genres as different as new age on one side and punk and metal on the other." Source P.A. In the case of this poll the songs that are compared here, IMO Forgotten Sons has a musical structure unless with the same level of complexity than Sky moves sideways. And to say that Forgotten sons it is not too poppy is something like to say Beethoven it  is not too jazzy, I mean it is some nonosense statement.

So you're saying because Forgotten Sons is around as complex as The Sky Moves Sideways, neo-prog is not necessarily a simplified form of symphonic? That is the only nonsense statement I see here.

I'm saying Forgotten Sons may be on the less poppy side of neo-prog, which is still overall a relatively poppy style of prog. Analyze the musical structure of various neo bands if you want. There are certainly metal-leaning bands within the style, but that's not the defining trait of it. The common thread in all neo bands is its root in symphonic prog, reigned into more accessible structure.

Again, what I'm saying is extremely clear (ask anyone else here to read what I'm saying if you like), and you should reconsider posting on an English-speaking forum if you have such a profound misunderstanding of any post that goes slightly beyond the most simplistic terms.


Edited by King Crimson776 - August 01 2014 at 00:56

LSDisease wrote: Horizons wrote: Marillion is awful and just a copy of a band they wish they were 10 years prior. Their music is boring and uninspired.  if that statement comes from a math rock / post rock fan it's ok. I don't expect someone who worships math rock to understand Marillion's music.

PTree

Blacksword wrote:   A fact? I guess you can prove it with scientific evidience then?

yes I can. PT 4 x 2 = 8 balls. Marillion (with Fish cos Hoggy got no balls) 5 x 2 = 10 balls. Marillion win.

LSDisease wrote: ^it's not an opinion, it's a fact;) PT is overrated.

A fact? I guess you can prove it with scientific evidience then?

It's not easy but forgotten songs was a great song music & lirycs.

sleeper wrote: ^I don't think he is, I haven't seen a post from LSDisease where he hasn't been an arrogant jackass who believes everybody elses opinion is worthless.

I know. I was merely trying the friendly way.

King Crimson776 wrote: I thought it was self-evident but basically, neo is not as complex as symphonic or other prog subgenres. It has more standard song forms, and is therefore closer to pop music. It's about as complex as prog metal I guess (prog metal is just 'busy', not actually complex).

Ahh you see, we could've used something vaguely tongue-in-cheek earlier, instead of all this bickering.
When people first get to know each other on here, it is far easier to tell when they are pulling legs. I'm not sure anybody got that from your previous posts.

LSDisease wrote: King Crimson776 wrote: LSDisease wrote: Still 8 deranged jackasses voted for PT. This place is becoming too weird.  I'd get it if we were talking about Kayo Dot or some sh*t, but PT is totally prog, and has been one the most popular bands in the style for years now. I like Marillion but they are too pop to be a first tier band (lyrically one of the best though). It's not that level man. It's like choosing Citroen over Ferrari. I really don't get it. Porcupine Tree is some C-level prog band that not recorded an album until 1991and it's treated better than Marillion. Probably very young people voted in this poll.

In your opinion of course
PA is all about diversity. If you can't handle that, then this is probably not the place for you.

I love both but will give the edge to PT.