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I'm the exception to this weird "pop" description of Rush in the 90s albums, which is fine its just a descriptor that happens in the prog world, if its not prog its pop.
I enjoy all those post Signals albums because of the nature of their influence at that time....reggae, synth/electronic sadly what always suffers is the guitar player. Both Geddy and Neil described very detailed why the music became what it was...The Police influence and sound that was so dominating during that time. Plus how Rush described the songs as mini stories that should stand on their own, not needing 20min to do that. Also Neil as a writer/lyricist becoming more mature and the desire to write about priests and Greek Gods basically going to zero.

I look at each album standing on their own rather than linked in some way like some of the earlier releases, similar themes. Of course a couple not having strong legs like TFE and RTB.
I think there is a common agreement that we as prog fans look at up to Perm Waves as the pivotal years for Rush, but not me. 
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

And anyway, anybody who rates Moving pictures > Hemispheres is a bovine spongiform polyp on satans anus...

 
  Well let's examine this for a moment, You said if I could only save 5 albums. I said Moving Pictures, Permanent Waves & Power windows which leave room for two more. Hemispheres would defiantly be one of the two so does that still make me a "bovine spongiform polyp on satans anus"   Just wanted to see if I'm allowed to keep the title? LOL
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

And anyway, anybody who rates Moving pictures > Hemispheres is a bovine spongiform polyp on satans anus...
 

Ha! And someone who doesn't rate Signals (*) highly, at least in their Top Ten Rush album list, is a crusty relic whose lunar underside has mossed over and has to be groomed by leprechauns. LOL

*It only has Geddy's best recorded bass tone and some of his best lines, after all. AND some of their best songs. AND fantastic drumming. (Etc.)
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^ have you had your sense of humour surgically removed?


You were trying to be funny? I could have sworn you were your usual insolent rude self, like any time someone disagrees with you.
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I really liked Clockwork Angels - that may even be one of the 5 
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^ have you had your sense of humour surgically removed?
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

And anyway, anybody who rates Moving pictures > Hemispheres is a bovine spongiform polyp on satans anus...


God forbid someone thinks differently than you.


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And anyway, anybody who rates Moving pictures > Hemispheres is a bovine spongiform polyp on satans anus...
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

^ Argo. If your house was on fire and you could only save five rush cd's from the blaze...bet none of them would be from the 80's or later...
 

that's a completely ridiculous hypothetical situation

I happend to be in a completely ridiculous hypothesis mood...😁
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

^ Argo. If your house was on fire and you could only save five rush cd's from the blaze...bet none of them would be from the 80's or later...
 

that's a completely ridiculous hypothetical situation

If aliens landed and started slaughtering the populace and even though that was happening you still wanted to introduce them to the majesty that is Rush which five albums would you play for them, or try to play for them while dodging laser fire?


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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I don't know why but the post Test for Echo albums that I rarely listen to. I don't know why, they're not bad at all.

They are the ones I am the least familiar with(especially vapor trails)which is why I have been listening to them lately.

I'd say clockwork angels is better than TFE. S&A is about the same though.My personal favorite Rush albums are in the 70's and 80's though. They lost a certain magic after Hold your fire imo. That album in fact is very underrated imo. I'll admit part of is because I'm a synth/keyboard guy and synths didn't really appear all that much after HYF.
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

^ Argo. If your house was on fire and you could only save five rush cd's from the blaze...bet none of them would be from the 80's or later...
 

that's a completely ridiculous hypothetical situation
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Originally posted by Argo2112 Argo2112 wrote:

^ Well if you count Moving Picture & Permanent waves as 80's ( both released in 1980) you would be wrong.
Also, even though Power Windows is considered one of their more pop albums I like it a lot. 


Moving Pictures was released in 1981.

I also love Power Windows. Big smile
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^ Well if you count Moving Picture & Permanent waves as 80's ( both released in 1980) you would be wrong.
Also, even though Power Windows is considered one of their more pop albums I like it a lot. 
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^ Argo. If your house was on fire and you could only save five rush cd's from the blaze...bet none of them would be from the 80's or later...
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The 80's stuff didn't bother me. I actually like a lot of it. I was not a fan of the last three studio albums.  From vapor Trails on the production seemed to get very crunchy & muddy.( Grungy maybe?)  On the older albums there was always clear definition between the instruments, even on the heavy songs like Xanadu,2112 , La Villa Strangiato... They changed something on the last three albums & it just didn't work for me, not sure why.  
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I only saw them live twice. The first time in 1980 on the PeW tour at the Manchester Apollo when I was 16, the second time on the Clockwork Angels tour in 2013 at the Manchester Arena. I loved Rush up to Power Windows and I really didn't like the poppy nature of the songs and missed the long pieces. I did buy HYF, but I got half way through Force Ten and sacked it off. I still have that vinyl and only played it  through fully a few weeks ago. I returned to Rush when CA came out and revisited all the albums I'd missed from HYF. My highlight from that lot is Vapor Trails - I know a lot of Rush fans dislike that album (the lack of guitar solos maybe the reason), but I love it, notably Secret Touch, which is one of my favourite Rush songs. Of course I own all the vinyl up to HYF, but have since bought' Sectors 1, 2 and 3 and have all the concerts on Blu-ray (at least 2 of each due to the R40 boxset), as well as other DVDs (even ESL on VHS somewhere lol)
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After MP...no rush track over 7 mins? The smoking gun? A bit like Duke with genesis...Rush made an abysmal effort after MP...and I lost all interest in them to concentrate on prog bands who were still giving me what I wanted...not synth based pop!

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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I don't know why but I rarely listen to the post test for Echo albums. I don't know why, they're not bad at all.

I'm in the same place as you. You're right, they're not bad but I'm not sure how good they are overall. Certainly, there are standout tracks but I wish those albums had a more varied sound. There is a sameness to the songs. I find that when I get the urge to listen to one of those, I spin it once and then I'm good for years before I need to hear it again. For me, that's pretty telling.
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1974-75 : I used to go back to a friends house most days after school and we would listen to the first Rush album and marvel at Alex's guitar work.  I forgot about them for a year or two after that until one day in 1976 when I was scratching around in the "Listen" record shop at the bottom of Renfield Street in Glasgow looking for an album to buy.  Who should walk in to the shop but that same friend who I had lost touch with as I had moved away after leaving school,  and he recommended I should buy All The Worlds a Stage, which I did.  That was it - I was hooked and couldn't stop listening to it. 

Then came the Farewell to Kings tour : 12th June 1977 at Glasgow Apollo, where Xanadu was first aired live as a track from the forthcoming album and which is still seared into my memories 43 years later.  Those double necks and the Taurus Bass Pedals..!!  I remember the caption on the back of the tour programme from that show which read  - "Rush : They must have been one hell of a band"

 The following year saw them do 2 nights at the Apollo in February and I was there again.  I remember Alex's sound wasn't so great that time, and I was such a daft 17 year old kid that I rang up the Albany Hotel at around 5.30pm on the second night before running out to catch the bus in to town to mention it to him.  I didn't expect to be put through, but bloody hell - suddenly there he was on the other end of the phone line waiting for me to say something, so I came straight out with it.  Alex told me that Apparently they had been having some issues with some transformers they were having to use to step up the voltage as all their amps were configured to US voltage which is 110V whereas in the UK we used 230V and it was this which was causing the problem with the sound.  I don't know if that was actually the case or not, but it's what he told me and it sounded plausible enough....

After that I continued to attend every show Rush played at Glasgow Apollo until 1982,  and can proudly state that I am a fully fledged member of the Glasgow Apollo "Choir" on the live version of Closer to the Heart on Exit Stage Left.

As far as I'm concerned the best time for Rush was the 1970s and 80s up to and including Hold your Fire.  After that I thought they kind of went a bit flat.  I saw them in 1987 in a big barn-like arena made of concrete and steel, and the sound was totally sh*te, and same again in 2007 in a similar big arena where the sound was again totally sh*te.  I don't know why any self respecting bands even consider such venues where the sound is always so poor but there you go....    Anyway, that was the last time I saw them and I can only offer humble thanks and the greatest appreciation for all that they gave me over the years both in terms of listening and watching enjoyment,  and their collective influence on my own playing technique.

RIP Neil. You will be sorely missed.


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