Tull Fan Central: JT Appreciation Thread.

Great player and I loved his contributions 

Thats a point! You don't need to read other posts BUT you accuse them to anything that you want!!! Very good!! You are 5* collab and you do what you want. 

This post show "you are angry" and repeat one thing with different shapes. I don't have problem with you and your opinion. I never said : Please buy JT.Com !!! I never said to you : Please be polite!! 

I really want to know What is your problem with me?! PLEASE say clearly (if you want OR need!). This isn't fair that you accuse me without read my post or understand what I said. I just talk about my feeling (not opinion) about one album.  

Implying I'm not a Tull fan, as I am not polite, in your opinion, is below the belt, in mine. I simply expressed my opinion about Dot Com, presenting a different view than "it's a good album", trying to create a more balanced discussion about it (though failing miserably at that apparently ). What I don't understand though, is why you feel the need to resort to a personal attack?

I see I've stepped on more than just your toes with my first comment in this thread (and I thought you agreed with Doug in saying you don't take criticism of your heores personally, or at least wish you didn't? ), but the only one I feel should be in any way offended by my rant is one Mr. Anderson (to those with a different opinion than myself I did say "I'm sorry" after all ), but as someone who sincerely regret making my all-time favourite album (A Passion Play), he should, IMO, be able to take the criticism. If he can criticise one of his own albums in such a way, he should be able to take criticism of another, don't you agree?

May I ask why you implied I'm not a fan of the band? You really didn't think I wasn't, did you? Why? Because I hadn't posted in this thread before my ill-received reply? Replying in an appreciation thread is not a testament to wether one is a fan of a band, you know. I admit though, it's perhaps a bit untimely to enter such a thread with as a critical remark as I did, but the earlier comments about Dot Com, and "Hot Mango Flush" in particular, sparked my interest in participating in this thread, as I feel very strongly about that album, and that track, albeit in a negative way.

If you sincerely doubt I'm a fan of Tull, I'll have you know they're the reason I'm on this forum, as they were, after Led Zeppelin, my second major music love, and lead me to want to explore other progressive rock bands. I hadn't listened to them in a while though (more for wanting to explore other bands' music than lack of interest in Tull per se, but I've listened to them a lot the last few years, so I don't feel the need to revisit their albums too often these days), before spinning to the two TaaB albums the other day.

I've read the comments in this thread with interest, and thought I'd eventually chip in with my thoughts on Barre's exit, which differs significantly from yours and GKR's btw (and you talk about politeness, how about showing some respect towards the decisions of the artists, yes, I said artists, do you really think they weren't in agreement about not working together anymore, huh, do really think Ian fired Barre because he wanted to be seen as a legitimate solo artist? Wtf? OK, I'll give you another clue as to what I think lies behind that decision, Ian's made two prog rock concept albums since, Barre's now playing blues rock, so they're not playing the same kind of music, hmm...), as well as on those four albums considered their weakest, once I'd heard them all (haven't heard Under Wraps and Catfish Rising yet, but I'm planning a Tull marathon in the near future, so I will soon).

But since critique and passion, with perhaps a sprinkle of colour and humor injected into the discussion, to get the temperature up a notch (well, I succeeded in that, just not in the way intended ), seems unwelcome in this thread, I don't think I'll bother. I wouldn't want to disturb the sedate discussion environment, which seems to me to be the way you want it here (unless it's your own opinions, of course ) more than I already have, so I think I'll leave this dull appreciation thread alone in the future.

I see both you and GKR feel the need to pinpoint that you didn't say the album is superb or perfect, but don't worry, I got that (no, I don't need to read your first post again, perhaps you should read mine?). I simply disagreed with you, as I don't think Dot Com is a good album, at all, and as particularly "Hot Mango Flush" rubbs me the wrong way. Was it my opinion about that song that got your knickers in a twist? Sorry for being brutally honest, but when it comes to an artist I hold in such high regard I feel I can't be anything but.

I also said that, as fan of the band, I could easily have done without it, which, again, is the cold hearted truth, it saddens me to say, and that it's my least favourite album penned by Mr. Anderson. Yes, I think I even prefer Rock Island, but it's been a while since I spun those albums, so I'm not too sure about that (I was thinking about skipping them in my upcoming Tull marathon, but perhaps I'll give both a fresh listen to see if my opinion have changed since the last time heard them).

Do I regret purchasing Dot Com? No, I don't, because, as a huge Tull nut, I wouldn't mind having a complete collection of their albums, well, at least their studio ones, but if I'd heard it before buying it I'm not sure I would've bothered acquiring it. Furthermore, I'm not sure I could, in all honesty, recommend it to anyone, even to other Tull fans, and therefore even the second star would hang by a thread there, for me.

Having said that, it's not clear to me where I've been impolite, and certainly not to you (as your clappies indicate you feel I have been). I was merely expressing my opinion about the album, and the song "Hot Mango Flush". I'm as much entitled to have an opinion about an album, and to express that opinion, as you, am I not?

Exactly. IMO Bluesy and Hard Rocky as you said. I listened only "Order of Play" from his solo albums and my judge about M.B based on this album. 1 or 2 months earlier in Suggest forum section some guys discussed about M.B. Some said M.B is not Prog Rock and others said he deserve to have a page in PA. IMO Martin Barre is one of Progressive Rock great musicians and He deserve to have a page in PA BUT "Order of Play" isn't a Prog Rock album.

As I said before I didn't listen to his another albums. If you listened, please talk about your opinion about them. Are they Prog Rock? 

Thanks and appreciated . 

Thanks. Do you like "Order of Play" ?